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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 14:18:56 GMT -5
For those upset that it de-evils Maleficent, know this: Paul Dini, the guy responsible for "de-eviling" Mr. Freeze in the '90s Batman animated series (critically acclaimed for it too), wrote MALEFICENT. Quality-wise, might not suck at all; evil-wise, like Freeze, Maleficent might not be so nice at all either. Paul Dini changed his name to Linda Woolverton? Or is it like an uncredited script doctor type thing? I mean Godzilla supposedly passed through Darabont's hands, and that's a massive POS no matter how good Dream Warriors was. Huh. If you Google "Paul Dini Maleficent" a TON of different articles and mentions come up linking him to the movie - ranging from last summer to a couple months ago. And in more than a script doctor (read: uncredited) role, which is why I was so sure in my statement of him as a scripter for this movie. And I know he was listed on Wikipedia as a writer, but now he is not. Very odd......
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 30, 2014 14:19:46 GMT -5
For those upset that it de-evils Maleficent, know this: Paul Dini, the guy responsible for "de-eviling" Mr. Freeze in the '90s Batman animated series (critically acclaimed for it too), wrote MALEFICENT. Quality-wise, might not suck at all; evil-wise, like Freeze, Maleficent might not be so nice at all either. Paul Dini changed his name to Linda Woolverton? Or is it like an uncredited script doctor type thing? I mean Godzilla supposedly passed through Darabont's hands, and that's a massive POS no matter how good Dream Warriors was. (Not to say I can assess Maleficent one way or another because wow that movie looks generic I'm not seeing it). Yeah... Dini isn't listed on any cast list for this movie that I saw.
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Post by Jiren on May 30, 2014 15:25:25 GMT -5
I'm in the minority with this but I hated Killing Joke's de-eviling Joker.
I thought 1989 & Mask Of The Phantasm had better origins for him. but I prefer Joker's Origin to be vague.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 30, 2014 15:28:23 GMT -5
I'm in the minority with this but I hated Killing Joke's de-eviling Joker. I thought 1989 & Mask Of The Phantasm had better origins for him. but I prefer Joker's Origin to be vague. Killing Joke flat out stated that it might not actually be his origin... and he was probably blatantly making it up as he went along ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Jiren on May 30, 2014 15:31:25 GMT -5
I'm in the minority with this but I hated Killing Joke's de-eviling Joker. I thought 1989 & Mask Of The Phantasm had better origins for him. but I prefer Joker's Origin to be vague. Killing Joke flat out stated that it might not actually be his origin... and he was probably blatantly making it up as he went along ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I know I just don't like that "take" on his origin
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 15:57:13 GMT -5
I'm rather conflicted on what to think cause the trailers make it look like they'll try and make her sympathetic, and if that is the case, then this film can jog off, because I'm sick and tired of people trying to turn evil characters into misunderstood or not so evil characters. Some evil characters deserve to become misunderstood entities. Maleficent is not one of them. She's so evil in such a badass way that the humanizing of her is eventually going to be ignored by the Disney canon entirely. Heck, I'm looking forward to Kingdom Hearts III just to see what other plans she has in store in her goal to claim all the worlds as her own.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on May 30, 2014 17:03:00 GMT -5
Fine, don't go see the movie, you bunch of grumps. I'll just go on my own, with hookers and blackjack. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by Goldenbane on May 30, 2014 17:11:53 GMT -5
First, many thanks to the folks who explained my post to the confused guy. I was being sarcastic, and I was (and still am)very angry, so that's probably why I wasn't making much sense. I had to use all male villains in my example because at the time I couldn't think of good female examples because a) A lot of my favorite female villains have been reformed, b) the female villains that I knew that were not reformed I didn't know hardly at all (Like Cersi and Cheetah from Wonder Woman for example), and c) I was trying to come up with sarcastic examples of the most evil, irredeemable, despicable, disgusting, monstrous assholes I could think of and they all happened to be guys.
There's just so much I don't understand about this movie, the more I hear about it. I almost want to go see it just so I can maybe understand and either dissolve my anger or become more justified. Why the f*** is Maleficent all worried about having wings? The bitch can teleport! Not only is that a faster means of travel, it's also more awesome because she always appears in an explosion of green fire! She can shape change...if she's sooooo upset about not being able to fly and see the scenery, I guess, just change into your dragon form, lady! You can seemingly summon extra mass from no where when you change...just use that ability and regrow your wings!
Why is the King an evil douchebag now? He was just a goofy guy who got drunk with his buddy and fellow king before. That was his biggest crime...that and I guess not inviting the evil hate filled monster witch/fairy/queen/whatever the hell Maleficent was, to his daughter's birthday party. How was he supposed to know that Maleficent loved cake and ice cream that much?
Why are the three fairies now completely incompetent stupid idiot morons now? Yes, I realize they were quirky before...but when shit got real, they showed their true power. They were really the ones that took down Maleficent (turned her raven to stone, freed Prince Phillip and his horse, gave Phillip his sword and shield, enchanted said sword to kill the dragon, ect). Now, they're so stupid they don't even know how living things eat or something.
Sorry guys, if anyone is annoyed by my ranting...it's just that Sleeping Beauty is my all time favorite Disney animated movie, and Maleficent is my favorite Disney villain, not counting the Devil in Fantasia. (Yes, he's the Devil...I refuse to call him Chernabog or whatever. Walt himself called him the devil, so he's the damn devil!)
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Post by Psy on May 30, 2014 17:19:16 GMT -5
I read full spoilers for the movie and I was prepared to dislike it. ...now I am kind of interested. Not enough to go to a theater, but maybe I'll rent it or something.
As far as Chernobog goes, it's a Slavic deity whose name means "Black God". Not much is known of him as he does not appear in much mythology but was mentioned in different rituals/traditions. For some reason the name has made many appearances in modern culture (a number of movies & books have references to him).
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 17:38:29 GMT -5
.....I just read the plot on Wikipedia. ![O_o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/browraise.png) What the god damn hell is that?!? That story - if true - COMPLETELY DESTROYS SLEEPING BEAUTY in almost every single way. A 2-hour long film of people going to the bathroom on the original Sleeping Beauty film reels would've been less offensive than the plot I just read. Boy, I really hope Paul Dini had nothing to do with this now. I just called my mom, too (who loved the original Disney movie), and told her what I read - she went to a wake for a 15-year old girl earlier and I think THIS is what ruined her day. Did you possibly just make me make my mom almost cry, Disney?!?!!
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Post by Munkie91087 on May 30, 2014 17:57:03 GMT -5
.....I just read the plot on Wikipedia. ![O_o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/browraise.png) What the god damn hell is that?!? That story - if true - COMPLETELY DESTROYS SLEEPING BEAUTY in almost every single way. A 2-hour long film of people going to the bathroom on the original Sleeping Beauty film reels would've been less offensive than the plot I just read. Boy, I really hope Paul Dini had nothing to do with this now. I just called my mom, too (who loved the original Disney movie), and told her what I read - she went to a wake for a 15-year old girl earlier and I think THIS is what ruined her day. Did you possibly just make me make my mom almost cry, Disney?!?!!I just did the same thing as you and {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The end where Maleficent's kiss is the true love kiss that wakes up Sleeping Beauty. Holy crap that is absolutely terrible.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 30, 2014 18:00:34 GMT -5
.....I just read the plot on Wikipedia. ![O_o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/browraise.png) What the god damn hell is that?!? That story - if true - COMPLETELY DESTROYS SLEEPING BEAUTY in almost every single way. A 2-hour long film of people going to the bathroom on the original Sleeping Beauty film reels would've been less offensive than the plot I just read. Boy, I really hope Paul Dini had nothing to do with this now. I just called my mom, too (who loved the original Disney movie), and told her what I read - she went to a wake for a 15-year old girl earlier and I think THIS is what ruined her day. Did you possibly just make me make my mom almost cry, Disney?!?!!I just did the same thing as you and {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The end where Maleficent's kiss is the true love kiss that wakes up Sleeping Beauty. Holy crap that is absolutely terrible. {Spoiler}
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Post by Cela on May 30, 2014 18:44:06 GMT -5
.....I just read the plot on Wikipedia. ![O_o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/browraise.png) What the god damn hell is that?!? That story - if true - COMPLETELY DESTROYS SLEEPING BEAUTY in almost every single way. A 2-hour long film of people going to the bathroom on the original Sleeping Beauty film reels would've been less offensive than the plot I just read. Boy, I really hope Paul Dini had nothing to do with this now. I just called my mom, too (who loved the original Disney movie), and told her what I read - she went to a wake for a 15-year old girl earlier and I think THIS is what ruined her day. Did you possibly just make me make my mom almost cry, Disney?!?!!I just did the same thing as you and {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The end where Maleficent's kiss is the true love kiss that wakes up Sleeping Beauty. Holy crap that is absolutely terrible. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?!!?!?
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on May 30, 2014 21:49:06 GMT -5
.....I just read the plot on Wikipedia. ![O_o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/browraise.png) What the god damn hell is that?!? That story - if true - COMPLETELY DESTROYS SLEEPING BEAUTY in almost every single way. A 2-hour long film of people going to the bathroom on the original Sleeping Beauty film reels would've been less offensive than the plot I just read. Boy, I really hope Paul Dini had nothing to do with this now. I just called my mom, too (who loved the original Disney movie), and told her what I read - she went to a wake for a 15-year old girl earlier and I think THIS is what ruined her day. Did you possibly just make me make my mom almost cry, Disney?!?!!I just did the same thing as you and {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The end where Maleficent's kiss is the true love kiss that wakes up Sleeping Beauty. Holy crap that is absolutely terrible. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}That sounds sexy. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by kidglov3s on May 30, 2014 22:11:20 GMT -5
Reading the spoilers just... what the f*** Disney.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 31, 2014 7:49:27 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I read the spoilers. The movie is exactly what I thought it would be. Hey Maleficient isn't the villain! She's tragic! She's actually quite nice! All it does is completely undermine the old movie and one of Disney's best villains, not to mention completely pissing all over King Stefan who now apparently is evil. It's revisionism that would even make George Lucas piss himself with laughter.
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Post by Jiren on May 31, 2014 8:56:25 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it and dear god this movie blows. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}- The 3 fairies are f***ing annoying - Intro is cheesy as all hell - Maleficent doesn't turn into a dragon her shapeshifting Raven/Crow Lackey does. - The prince is pointless as it's Maleficent's kiss that awakens her - The Maleficent/Aurora/magical creature mud slinging match is "bleh" - Maleficent is actually a nice person just a little annoyed......THE f***!!!! - The king is the villain of the film - The ending, Oh dear god the ending. The acting was good and it was nice looking but everything else was terrible, Either watch "sleeping Beauty" again or play "Kingdom Hearts" if you want to see Maleficent at her badass, Evil best. Let's hope "Edge Of Tomorrow" (Which I'll see tomorrow) makes up for it
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Post by Push R Truth on May 31, 2014 9:24:11 GMT -5
This is, without hyperbole, the worst movie I've seen in a theater since Cars 2.
My wife apologized for encouraging us to see this movie.
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Post by kidglov3s on May 31, 2014 9:34:42 GMT -5
This is, without hyperbole, the worst movie I've seen in a theater since Cars 2. My wife apologized for encouraging us to see this movie. Cars 2 might not have been high art but I thought it was a zippy, breezy fun time at the movies. A mild amusement (much like the film's counterpart that I'd argue is essentially the same movie with different sprites, Monsters U). There were some jokes that worked. Maleficent just looks like a whole bunch of no-fun. At least they had the decency to end it at 97 minutes. I genuinely applaud them for that. Hate these long f***ing movies that have absolutely no reason to be so long. Giving us 30 minutes of Cody Rhodes or his wife or some other f***ing piece of cardboard walking around in Godzilla.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 31, 2014 9:40:24 GMT -5
They should make "Frollo"
When he was a kid, he fell in love with a gypsy girl, she laughed at him because he was French. She even did that "haw haw haw" laugh that French people do, in order to mock him. The bitch. He was so sad, he went for a walk in the middle of Paris and saw a woman throw her baby away because it was deformed and ugly, and Frollo adopted the baby and gave him a job as a bell ringer in the cathedral.
He wasn't such a bad guy. He had a hard life. It's not his fault he wanted to murder and rape gypsies (probably in that order).
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