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Post by bluemeii on Sept 3, 2014 20:17:43 GMT -5
Has it ever occurred to anyone, that the reason no one has challenged the workers job classification status is because they know how bad they will screw themselves and every other WWE wrestler if they were to do that and succeed. Not only that, a lot of people don't realize that WWE isn't doing anything other, far bigger, industries do as well. A lot of trucking companies treat their drivers as independent contractors, but have the same restrictions as WWE has for getting outside work. Before anything happens with WWE, that industry would probably be taken head-on first. Yep. Can I just say this, hopefully everyone reads this. In terms of being "Independent Contractors" as WWE wrestler, this is a GOOD THING for them instead of the alternative and being made employees. They could be classified 1 of 3 ways, and only 1 of them would benefit them. Guess which one they definitely wouldn't be classified as. They can be classified as Exempt/Salaried employees due to meeting all 3 requirements for that status (salary level, salary basis, and performing exempt job duties). This would qualify them for dick all except for partially funded medical insurance. Letter of the law says Sick days...what's that, vacation days....huh? Paid time off....LOL. Extra money for that fund raising dinner? nope. Do it or dereliction of duty. Last minute photo shoot. Get your ass there. Extra pay for that....bwwaaaahaha. Someone said "well Barnum and Bailey employees get this that and the other thing". That's because they are in a union and have been since the 1930's. Well OK wrestlers lets form a union.... Besides that being a total joke in itself, WWE makes some tweaks to pay rates and you are now all part time/ hourly employees. Which means you get even less than salaried employees, welcome back to the indies. Do you want to know why no one (other than a couple notorious I don't give a f*** what anyone thinks, shit stirrers) have ever challenged the IC classification. The above is only part of it. Maybe the people actually performing the job knows better than the fans do in this case?
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Sept 3, 2014 20:18:03 GMT -5
How'd you get GIMME MY MOTHERf***IN MONEY to 22 pages You ever write a term paper? That's how! Or he had Mick Foley write it for him.
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Post by keezy on Sept 3, 2014 20:19:05 GMT -5
I can't wait to relive the awesome Tyson Kidd and John Cena feud in WWE 2k15!
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Post by Richard on Sept 3, 2014 20:34:31 GMT -5
The people who assumed this tweet was in reference to him being included in the game might have been correct then.
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Post by cjh on Sept 3, 2014 20:36:52 GMT -5
If WWE felt Punk broke his contract and no longer felt it necessary to pay his royalties, shouldn't they have flat out stopped using his name and likeness, since they were licensing them from him? Depends on what it's over. If he's no longer getting a cut of his T-shirt or action figure sales, that is a legit gripe. If he doesn't like how they aired that video on Raw hyping his 2012 documentary being added to the Network, that's different. Whatever he did for WWE is WWE's property, no different than how his TNA matches are TNA's property, and his ROH matches are ROH's property. Regarding his name, he owns his wrestling name, which means WWE can't stop him from using it, and they can't give it to another wrestler. However, WWE, TNA, or ROH saying "buy our Best of CM Punk DVD" or "come watch classic CM Punk matches on our website/Network" is just being factually accurate. That was his name, so that's what he is still called even though he is no longer with any of those companies.
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Post by jakes on Sept 3, 2014 20:37:03 GMT -5
If it is really so easy for Punk to fight off a breach of contract suit then why did his wife go back to work for WWE? Wouldn't you think she wouldn't want to do business with a company that is fighting with her husband, especially when it is common knowledge that her husband never let's go of grudges. Not to mention her having to spend time away from her husband with the WWE schedule. AJ returning comes off like her needing to do so in order to avoid a WWE breach of contract suit.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Sept 3, 2014 20:38:47 GMT -5
The people who assumed this tweet was in reference to him being included in the game might have been correct then. If he wins this case, he might be saying that with Ted Dibiase's music playing in the background.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 3, 2014 20:39:46 GMT -5
If it is really so easy for Punk to fight off a breach of contract suit then why did his wife go back to work for WWE? Wouldn't you think she wouldn't want to do business with a company that is fighting with her husband, especially when it is common knowledge that her husband never let's go of grudges. Not to mention her having to spend time away from her husband with the WWE schedule. AJ returning comes off like her needing to do so in order to avoid a WWE breach of contract suit. Her contract and Punk's contracts probably didn't come up at the same time, so it'd be a different circumstance entirely.
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Post by Crimson on Sept 3, 2014 20:53:46 GMT -5
The Self Destruction of Phil Brooks: Dropped a thousand Pipebombs, never drew a dime.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 20:53:38 GMT -5
If it is really so easy for Punk to fight off a breach of contract suit then why did his wife go back to work for WWE? Wouldn't you think she wouldn't want to do business with a company that is fighting with her husband, especially when it is common knowledge that her husband never let's go of grudges. Not to mention her having to spend time away from her husband with the WWE schedule. AJ returning comes off like her needing to do so in order to avoid a WWE breach of contract suit. Apparently the vast majority of people backstage really like AJ, AJ was given time off when she asked, so I don't see the correlation really. CM Punk wanted to leave, and did so, and both the company and him seem to be fine with one another in pretty much every regard outside of pay confusion over royalties. Which people in the company have also commented on saying 'we don't know what's going on!' If the WWE tried to sue CM Punk for leaving his contract, you can't use his wife who is signed by the company under a completely unrelated contract as leverage. She might enjoy her job and her pay scale, you don't have to agree with a partner on everything in order to keep the peace.
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Post by Richard on Sept 3, 2014 20:54:59 GMT -5
If it is really so easy for Punk to fight off a breach of contract suit then why did his wife go back to work for WWE? Wouldn't you think she wouldn't want to do business with a company that is fighting with her husband, especially when it is common knowledge that her husband never let's go of grudges. Not to mention her having to spend time away from her husband with the WWE schedule. AJ returning comes off like her needing to do so in order to avoid a WWE breach of contract suit. Maybe because she actually wants to be there? I doubt Punk is trying to coax her into leaving, nor has WWE cared about punishing her for whatever Punk is doing. WWE granted her three months of time off to be with him. She returned shortly after the wedding and they immediately put the title on her. Plus, they've given her a relaxed schedule to the point where she's spending more time at home than on the road these days. Whatever AJ is doing really has no bearing on Punk's situation, or vice versa (yet, anyway).
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Post by RIHT on Sept 3, 2014 21:00:43 GMT -5
Everyone who read that rumor has been blocked on Twitter by CM Punk.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 21:10:29 GMT -5
Everyone who read that rumor has been blocked on Twitter by CM Punk. For some reason Goldust has also blocked those people. They didn't even mention him in a tweet...
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Post by somsta on Sept 3, 2014 21:14:57 GMT -5
Wrestling fans can be so pathetic. All this speculation when this is clearly a work to re-introduce Clarence Mason to the WWE.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Sept 3, 2014 21:32:05 GMT -5
As someone who used to work with contracts on a daily basis it is not unusual to have lawyers write letters in this manner.
First off, a 22 page letter is quite short when talking about money, likeness structure or anything regarding that. I have personally seen and read many that were well over 22 pages. You simply have to make a very detailed log of everything your client is going to recieve money/benefits from.
Second, this is probably not a suit but simply CM Punk making sure he is protected and getting the maximum amount of money he can from his likeness being used.
Third, it is very stupid for someone to deal with a company without a lawyer in regards to contracts of this nature. Incorrect wording can cost you a ton of money. I assume the WWE lawyers are top of the line and would easily be able to exploit a faulty worded document, most good lawyers can and will do this.
Considering CM Punk has been used and mentioned/used on various WWE items it would make sense for him to make sure he is getting a fair structure.
Anyone looking for this to be the downfall of WWE or cause major change is simply setting themselves up for a big disappointment. Until someone confirms with solid proof that this is in fact a lawsuit, it really is nothing more than a common business pratice.
With that being said, I always enjoy the good irrational hatred of WWE by wrestling fans, never fails to give me a chuckle.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 3, 2014 23:04:22 GMT -5
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Post by Heartbreaker on Sept 4, 2014 0:05:05 GMT -5
Now I'm imagining Punk returning to lead the New World Order of Fries.
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Post by whtbldclls on Sept 4, 2014 1:50:29 GMT -5
his TNA matches are TNA's property ... Punk's TNA matches?
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Post by Reflecto on Sept 4, 2014 2:17:30 GMT -5
Might be coincidence, but WWE just super marked down ALL of Punk's merch. Like, dramatically down. Haven't seen anything like it since Bischoff made a crack about continued royalties from the WWE selling his book in 2010 when he was in TNA that lead to the WWE marking it down to $3.00 or so and clearing it out. If you've been waiting to scoop the Punk blu-ray, it's now only $7.99, which is two dollars less than the cost of the network : shop.wwe.com/CM-Punk/cmpunk,default,sc.html This has been gradually happening ever since he left. They got marked down to its current point a few weeks ago, along with another ~100 separate items (as can be seen in the "Sale" section). They do this once every month or two. In addition, the Punk blu-ray is likely just coincidence; FYE has recently dropped the regular price of a large amount of WWE Blu-Rays/DVDs to $6.99 (3 dollars less than the Network), with Punk's being just one of many.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 4, 2014 3:45:32 GMT -5
If this is true, this probably isn't the type of thing that'd lead to any long-term changes in how WWE treats their wrestlers. It's a trademark issue, how they classify their workers wouldn't be relevant to the case at all. It also assumes that the IRS doesn't already know how WWE classifies it's wrestlers, when I would bet you a bridge in Arizona that it does and just doesn't care. Has it ever occurred to anyone, that the reason no one has challenged the workers job classification status is because they know how bad they will screw themselves and every other WWE wrestler if they were to do that and succeed. Maybe if someone succeeds WWE will let the workers actually be employees with the same rights and priveleges, like medical insurance. Or They'll let them actually BE independent contractors and be free to do as they please on their own time. If WWE won't make use of certain wrestlers, then can start getting Indy bookings so they can improve their craft, and making the fans care about them instead of wallowing in obscurity while people make jokes and memes about their employment status.
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