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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 20, 2015 21:48:24 GMT -5
Wes Borland did a pretty ripping version of "Master of Puppets". Granted it wasn't the whole song, however, upon hearing it all I could think was that he needs to rip on the guitar and sing more often.
The man definitely has talent and has a mean guttural voice when singing too.
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Post by Viking Snad on Jan 20, 2015 22:35:24 GMT -5
I'm going to go on a limb and say nu-metal isn't exactly dead. Slipknot is arguably the most popular rock band in the world right now - and have been since about 2009. They're keeping the angst alive.
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Post by rawthentic on Jan 20, 2015 22:55:31 GMT -5
After the pioneers between 1995-2000 just about nobody came out with anything new to add to the genre. I had a lot of post 2001 nu metal mixers that i got a festivals like Ozzfest and most of the bands on it were just generic shit...and the purpose of the mix CD's was to showcase the up and comers. Linkin Park was probably the last arrival to the genre that offered something a little new, but it also pushed the genre more into the teeny bop realm which nu-metal fans really hated, even if in hindsight they were a part of it. The faces of nu-metal were Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park at the end but i think they were more supported by casual pop listeners more so than the people who really were everything nu-metal between 1998 and 2000. I think they had already moved on and the other top bands associated with nu-metal like Deftones, Slipknot, SOAD, and Disturbed got out of the nu-metal scene while the gettin was good and now have all settled into different genre titles and are still relevant.
Also, in the cases of bands like Korn. I still have a lot of appreciation for their sound. Incredibly innovative band that often found beautiful sounds from incredibly detuned instruments and ear rattling distortion. Jonathan Davis knew how to deliver great melodies in both his verses and chorus, then when he screamed it worked for a good 4 or 5 albums. The problem with Korn became that the lyrics are mostly worthless once you start having adult problems. Actually, the Korn album that i was disappointed in as a young man but actually relate most to now, is "Issues". That is actually a "Grown up problems" album though the lyrics still aren't great.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 20, 2015 23:13:03 GMT -5
I'm going to go on a limb and say nu-metal isn't exactly dead. Slipknot is arguably the most popular rock band in the world right now - and have been since about 2009. They're keeping the angst alive. Slipknot isn't exactly nu-metal anymore. I'd say their first album was more nu-metal than anything else. Subliminal Verses, All Hope Is Gone, and The Grey Chapter tend lean more into the hard rock/metal sound. Iowa is definitely their heaviest and more brutal sounding album though.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 20, 2015 23:18:12 GMT -5
I kind of find it funny that one of the things that supplanted nu-metal was pop punk. True, there are several pop punk bands who had socially relevant lyrics, but most (not all mind you) of the ones that were big around 2002-2005 were writing lyrics that made Korn look like Bob Marley in comparison. I love Bowling For Soup, but even they would admit that theyre pretty much juvenile fluff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 11:55:02 GMT -5
Time.
Every musical sub-genre has its apex in popular culture and then most people move on to the next cool thing. Grunge, alt rock, nu metal, gangsta, conscious, southern/crunk. Don't henpeck me on the names/timeline but you get the idea.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 21, 2015 12:12:32 GMT -5
I think the audience growing up definitely killed it. Speaking personally, when I listen back to some of those bands I enjoyed back then, it just seems so cheesy. For the most part, it seemed like most of the lyrics were pure garbage. E xample: Disturbed. Listening to something like Stupify or Down With the Sickness as an adult makes me cringe. Down With the Sickness especially does that. That portion in the middle where he pitches a fit about his mom is one of the most embarrassing things put on record. Excact example I had in mind. I still listen to that song occasionally but fast forward to the next song right as he starts whining. Wasn't it Saliva who had a line "My childhood wasn't perfect but still you'll hear no crying ass bitching from me like there seems to be on every CD" I always had that reaction to that part of Down with the Sickness ... I much preferred the radio version that skipped that verse than the album... and yeah that was a line from click click boom by saliva. I think it was my mom and dad weren't perfect though...
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 21, 2015 12:13:42 GMT -5
Nu-metal was often hilariously First World Problematic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 12:19:21 GMT -5
I got Deftones out of it, so I'm happy.
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Post by Jam on Jan 21, 2015 16:11:12 GMT -5
TAPROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!! Holy shit, I totally just recovered a memory of seeing Taproot live. I don't remember where, and I don't remember with whom, but I saw a f***ing Taproot concert. They closed with "Poem". Was it when they were opening for Mudvayne in early 2003? I saw them together around that time. Taproot was alright but Mudvayne absolutely killed it. Those guys were awesome live.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 21, 2015 16:14:11 GMT -5
I got Deftones out of it, so I'm happy. I only ever saw one of their music videos, and it's still one of my all time favourites. That one with the sharks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 16:22:36 GMT -5
Holy shit, I totally just recovered a memory of seeing Taproot live. I don't remember where, and I don't remember with whom, but I saw a f***ing Taproot concert. They closed with "Poem". Was it when they were opening for Mudvayne in early 2003? I saw them together around that time. Taproot was alright but Mudvayne absolutely killed it. Those guys were awesome live. Wow, you're right. I used to go with my buddy to concerts featuring bands I wanted no part of, but tickets were cheap and it was fun anyway. They were definitely opening for Mudvayne, great call. Strange period in my life, that time. I didn't watch wrestling, and I went to nu metal concerts. I used to go a lot of concerts I didn't like actually, mostly metal shows with that friend. One of them was Sevendust, which I did enjoy.
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Post by Jam on Jan 21, 2015 17:01:38 GMT -5
I'm going to go ahead an embarrass myself plenty right now. In high school I owned a t-shirt that said "Limp Bizkit Is Better Than Everyone" on it. I was such a mark for that band my sophomore year. Then Chocolate Starfish and The Hot Dog Flavored Water came out and that put an end to that.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 21, 2015 18:20:27 GMT -5
Real metal. Around the mid 2000s, look at all the bands that started to grow in popularity. You had guys like Arch Enemy, Lamb of God, Shadows Fall, God Forbid, and Dimmu Borgir becoming more visible. You also had hardcore/metalcore bands rising (and classic metal bands returning to fame to boot) Honestly, once the internet became more available and made it easier to access these bands, nu metal's days were numbered. Just look how fast the line up of Ozzfest changed from 2001 to 2004. Nu metal was the hardest music some people could get their hands on at one time. So once this happened, the genre never stood a chance. I was just coming in here to post that the real answer is metalcore, which isn't any better than nu-metal. Also, since when did it become cool to "hate" grunge? The big 4 of grunge are still quite popular, even more so than nu-metal's top bands at the peak of that genre's popularity. Especially Nirvana. Not just metalcore, but every form of hard music that rose up during that time. It wasn't metalcore alone. Just look at how the Ozzfest line up changed from 2001 to 2004. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozzfest_lineups_by_year#Ozzfest_2001Also, I assume that comment about grunge was directed at someone else since I didn't say anything about the genre.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 21, 2015 18:30:30 GMT -5
Deftones are my favorite out of the genre, but I'll just admit right now I loved KoRn then and I still do. Even The Path Of Totality.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 18:40:10 GMT -5
I still very fondly listen to P.O.D. and Linkin Park.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 18:40:43 GMT -5
Did Nickelback kind of kill it? They came in doing their more melodic post-grunge thing and got hugely popular. I think they stole the thunder of nu metal at the time.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 21, 2015 18:45:45 GMT -5
It also wasn't that original when you think about it. The genre was the bastard offspring of Mike Patton, groove metal, and gangsta rap. It was an offshoot of what happened in the early 90s.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 21, 2015 19:18:03 GMT -5
Most of the bands sucked, but I was in middle school during the nu metal peak so my fat, pimply ass ate it up. My band was Korn, though. After, what I felt was their creative peak, "Issues", they followed it up with the horrid "Untouchables" record and then the bloom fell off the rose on the whole genre, for me. Started listening to more classic rock and eclectic stuff and grew up, musically. Once in a blue moon, when I'm drunk and back to hating the world, I'll bust out one of those first 4 Korn albums, or Mudvayne's "LD 50", or Slipknot's "Iowa" for nostalgia's sake, but the rest of the genre can EAD.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jan 21, 2015 19:18:51 GMT -5
new metal was killed by it being used by most younger metal fans using it as gateway metal
when i was like 14/15 bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit and Slipknot only had kids i know be into them for around 6 months to a year before they had discovered heavy bands and moved on to them or gotten over metal completely and moving into to other things
its a very juvenile genre and has very immature ideals and themes usually expressed in the music so once the fans get to a certain age it doesn't have the same appeal that it once did. The fans mature and no longer relate to those themes
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