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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 21, 2015 19:21:35 GMT -5
My band was Korn, though. After, what I felt was their creative peak, "Issues", they followed it up with the horrid "Untouchables" record and then the bloom fell off the rose on the whole genre, for me. Untouchables was their last truly decent album for me. Since then everything they've put out has been one or two good songs with an awful lot of filler.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 21, 2015 19:24:18 GMT -5
My band was Korn, though. After, what I felt was their creative peak, "Issues", they followed it up with the horrid "Untouchables" record and then the bloom fell off the rose on the whole genre, for me. Untouchables was their last truly decent album for me. Since then everything they've put out has been one or two good songs with an awful lot of filler. I don't even hate Untouchables, it was just their first record that wasn't consistently solid, imo. I actually like "Take a Look in the Mirror" a tad more just for being heavy as f***.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 21, 2015 19:34:31 GMT -5
Untouchables was their last truly decent album for me. Since then everything they've put out has been one or two good songs with an awful lot of filler. I don't even hate Untouchables, it was just their first record that wasn't consistently solid, imo. I actually like "Take a Look in the Mirror" a tad more just for being heavy as f***. My only real criticism of Untouchables is the pacing sort of lurches back and forth between their more traditional sound, and attempts at more melodic, mellow songs.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 21, 2015 19:44:24 GMT -5
I don't even hate Untouchables, it was just their first record that wasn't consistently solid, imo. I actually like "Take a Look in the Mirror" a tad more just for being heavy as f***. My only real criticism of Untouchables is the pacing sort of lurches back and forth between their more traditional sound, and attempts at more melodic, mellow songs. My issue was always that they started moving towards a more industrial sound, which they just weren't that good at. What made Korn great wasn't the angst or heaviness, but the almost tribal, cathartic, rhythm section. They should have listened to less Nine Inch Nails and looked into freaky world music. Instead they embraced gimmicks and the mainstream when the quirks that made them unique were far outside the realm of pop music. Think some of the crazy experimentation Trent Reznor did on his instrumental album, "Ghosts". Sure, not as commercially viable, but musically much more interesting. Point being, I think a lot of the things that spoke to me, about Korn, were lost on the mainstream and the musicians, themselves. They could have really grown into something special.
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 21, 2015 20:12:47 GMT -5
Because rap and pop punk got popular.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 21, 2015 20:24:24 GMT -5
This thread reminds me why I'm so much happier being a grown adult with a wide range of musical taste than a kid that needs to identify with a (sub)genre and wave a flag. At least I grew up a metalhead and not a punk, those cats don't seem to grow out of that mentality.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 21, 2015 20:56:06 GMT -5
This thread reminds me why I'm so much happier being a grown adult with a wide range of musical taste than a kid that needs to identify with a (sub)genre and wave a flag. At least I grew up a metalhead and not a punk, those cats don't seem to grow out of that mentality. Punk has always been very politically charged, and that's not something you typically grow out of. Chances are if you have a problem with the establishment at age 17 you'll still have a problem with it at age 47, or at the very least still identify with many of the same feelings. Nu metal was built heavily on teenage angst, which becomes harder to identify with the older you get.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 21, 2015 21:13:56 GMT -5
This thread reminds me why I'm so much happier being a grown adult with a wide range of musical taste than a kid that needs to identify with a (sub)genre and wave a flag. At least I grew up a metalhead and not a punk, those cats don't seem to grow out of that mentality. Punk has always been very politically charged, and that's not something you typically grow out of. Chances are if you have a problem with the establishment at age 17 you'll still have a problem with it at age 47, or at the very least still identify with many of the same feelings. Nu metal was built heavily on teenage angst, which becomes harder to identify with the older you get. Trust me, most punks just use politics and social issues as a rallying cry to keep themselves isolated, together, and to deemphasize that a lot of them suck as musicians and couldn't carry a tune if they wanted. Sorry if I come off as bitter, but there's a wash of self importance around that whole movement. I've been knee deep in my local scene, due to having many friends involved, and the prevalent matter has always been that the community, the ascetic, and the message always trumped the quality of the actual music. I'm a bass player that could never cut it, in a good metal band, but could have been one bad ass punk if I just adopted the lifestyle. Shit, I probably would've gotten laid a lot more often, too. Not saying there isn't great punk music, it's more the mentality. Though I'm not defending Motley Cru types, either. I just like well composed music.
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Post by rawthentic on Jan 21, 2015 23:30:16 GMT -5
I liked Untouchables a bit when i was younger but the only songs i ever re-visit from the album are "Here to Stay" and "Hating".
I liked Take A Look In The Mirror, but only becomes is was so familiar. Kind of like their more recent Korn III: Remember Who You Are album. I enjoyed listening to them for the same reasons. However, i never listen to either of them anymore.
It was just them playing it safe both times while they thought of something new. However, their worst work is their "stepping out" stuff. Nowadays they just have no identity. We all want bands to evolve but we want an evolution of their sound. Like Tool and Deftones did. Korn just looked for a new sound completely in my opinion. Korn stopped evolving their sound after the millennium. Issues was a more mature and evolved album all around. It was different from Follow the Leader but it was still undeniably Korn. To be fair to Untouchables, i think it was a similar effort as Issues was but it just simply wasn't as good and you can hear that everything that made them unique was fading, like the primitive, experimental funkyness you would hear during the verses(the unique rhythm section like a poster above mentioned)were just not there on Untouchable, while they were still present on Issues mixed in with a more traditional rock/metal sound. Everything else has either been an effort to appeal to whatever is mainstream or trying to pander to the old fans with a half hearted "back to roots" album.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 21, 2015 23:38:34 GMT -5
I remember being so pumped when "Here to Stay" dropped, then the album came out and I was so disillusioned, I started reevaluating my entire identity. Korn was like my Kiss, to many 70s kids, and "Untouchables" was my "Dynasty".
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 21, 2015 23:43:57 GMT -5
Great, all this Korn talk and now I'm drunk and on Youtube remembering fondly.
(oops, language warning!)
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 21, 2015 23:49:09 GMT -5
Okay, this is happening. You all asked for this.
language warning
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 21, 2015 23:55:10 GMT -5
Surprised these guys haven't been mentioned. Always loved this song.
Like every nu metal track, language warning.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 21, 2015 23:59:26 GMT -5
I usually hated these guys, but I always dug this.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 22, 2015 0:02:08 GMT -5
^Candyass from beginning to end is incredible.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 0:04:13 GMT -5
^Candyass from beginning to end is incredible. Haven't listened to the whole thing since back in the day, and Stitches was the only track that I dug. Now that I'm more into new wave I'd appreciate it more. Might give it another listen. I know their fanbase is quite strong due to the goodwill of Candyass alone.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 0:07:06 GMT -5
I swear, I'm done, after this. Just wanted to give some good examples of songs, within the genre, that are worth a listen.
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Post by DSR on Jan 22, 2015 0:08:38 GMT -5
Surprised these guys haven't been mentioned. Always loved this song. Like every nu metal track, language warning. Sevendust was my favorite band throughout high school, and still one of my favorites through college. They're very good at what they do, but I wish they would try to be more experimental. Aside from an occasional guest vocalist, their stuff all has a real samey vibe.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 0:09:57 GMT -5
I will admit, the coolest thing about nu metal was that it wasn't nearly as one-note as most people like to paint it, and many of these bands introduced me to their far superior influences.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 0:11:34 GMT -5
Surprised these guys haven't been mentioned. Always loved this song. Like every nu metal track, language warning. Sevendust was my favorite band throughout high school, and still one of my favorites through college. They're very good at what they do, but I wish they would try to be more experimental. Aside from an occasional guest vocalist, their stuff all has a real samey vibe. If they had grown, I might have been a life long fan. But each record, after they broke, tread the same water and got boring. "Denial" is still an excellent rock song, though.
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