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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 22, 2015 0:13:31 GMT -5
You know entirely NOT nu metal but with Orgy in the discussion now I just want to throw out hands down my favorite band Stabbing Westward, which is like Orgy's Industrial influences turned up a bit with great... I dunno the word for it. My moody teenage years were defined by this band. Their first three albums are entirely amazing to me. 4th album, their self titled outing, is terrible trash though. www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-z6YAZrauU(this one is about an abused girl being raped by her father and her disconect with reality to deal with it. It's sung with literally the bubbliest tone Chris Hall ever sang to try and mask the heaviness of the lyrics, and it works very well. So trigger warning here, big one)
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 0:15:18 GMT -5
Squee, now we're turning this into a love thread! Let's be in our early teens and hate our parents! NO ONE UNDERSTANDS US!!!!!
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 0:16:40 GMT -5
BTW, listening to Candyass and I can't understand why a Trent Reznor fanboy, like myself, wasn't lapping this up, at the time.
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Post by DSR on Jan 22, 2015 0:21:32 GMT -5
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 22, 2015 0:23:37 GMT -5
Believe it or not, i actually got into nu-metal when i was in college, and late in the run (2001) at that. For some reason i started digging stuff like Linkin Park, Saliva, Godsmack (only from the second album on though, couldnt stand the first one), Disturbed, Kid Rock, etc. Could never stand Korn or Limp Bizkit though, and there were plenty of bands i had no use for (puddle of mudd , Dope, kittie, hed p.e., taproot). Would Rob Zombie be considered nu-metal or was he just lumped into the scene?
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 0:26:23 GMT -5
f***, I wanted to kick walls down, to this track.
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Post by rawthentic on Jan 22, 2015 0:26:47 GMT -5
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Post by DSR on Jan 22, 2015 0:28:29 GMT -5
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 0:28:32 GMT -5
Believe it or not, i actually got into nu-metal when i was in college, and late in the run (2001) at that. For some reason i started digging stuff like Linkin Park, Saliva, Godsmack (only from the second album on though, couldnt stand the first one), Disturbed, Kid Rock, etc. Could never stand Korn or Limp Bizkit though, and there were plenty of bands i had no use for (puddle of mudd , Dope, kittie, hed p.e., taproot). Would Rob Zombie be considered nu-metal or was he just lumped into the scene? I always lumped Rob into a sub section with Trent and Manson, not really a part of the scene, just doing their own things at the same time.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 22, 2015 0:31:21 GMT -5
Believe it or not, i actually got into nu-metal when i was in college, and late in the run (2001) at that. For some reason i started digging stuff like Linkin Park, Saliva, Godsmack (only from the second album on though, couldnt stand the first one), Disturbed, Kid Rock, etc. Could never stand Korn or Limp Bizkit though, and there were plenty of bands i had no use for (puddle of mudd , Dope, kittie, hed p.e., taproot). Would Rob Zombie be considered nu-metal or was he just lumped into the scene? I always lumped Rob into a sub section with Trent and Manson, not really a part of the scene, just doing their own things at the same time. Those all melt into the Industrial scene with Zombie at kinda the skirts of it. Defining Nu Metal is hard because everyone just throws in any late 90s rock act. From Manson to Nickleback, and that's a HUGE gap in genre when it comes down to it.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 22, 2015 0:34:17 GMT -5
Basically if you were downloading music videos a decade and a half ago and the only video you could find for the song you wanted to hear was accompanied by randomly edited Dragon Ball Z scenes, odds are someone considers it Nu Metal.
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Post by DSR on Jan 22, 2015 0:35:22 GMT -5
(language, I think)
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 0:38:45 GMT -5
I always lumped Rob into a sub section with Trent and Manson, not really a part of the scene, just doing their own things at the same time. Those all melt into the Industrial scene with Zombie at kinda the skirts of it. Defining Nu Metal is hard because everyone just throws in any late 90s rock act. From Manson to Nickleback, and that's a HUGE gap in genre when it comes down to it. Yeah, it's funny to think that bands like Creed and f***ing Nickleback started out in the same musical world. When radio and MTV still pushed rock music. Speaking of that...
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 22, 2015 0:39:17 GMT -5
^Candyass from beginning to end is incredible. Seconded. Candyass was my favourite album for years, and even now is probably in my top five, and Vapor Transmission was excellent as well. Punk Statik Paranoia was a crushing disappointment, but totally understandable after hearing about its troubled production (it was pretty much abandoned midway through recording and only saw the light of day because it was completely funded by Jay Gordon's label, so they had to release it just to claw some money back). I actually passed on the chance to see Orgy on their first ever UK tour a couple of months ago. Only Jay remains from the band (he pulled an Axl Rose a couple of years ago), and most of their live stuff is now playback. Such a shame.
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Post by DSR on Jan 22, 2015 0:41:18 GMT -5
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 22, 2015 0:44:13 GMT -5
^Candyass from beginning to end is incredible. Seconded. Candyass was my favourite album for years, and even now is probably in my top five, and Vapor Transmission was excellent as well. Punk Statik Paranoia was a crushing disappointment, but totally understandable after hearing about its troubled production (it was pretty much abandoned midway through recording and only saw the light of day because it was completely funded by Jay Gordon's label, so they had to release it just to claw some money back). I actually passed on the chance to see Orgy on their first ever UK tour a couple of months ago. Only Jay remains from the band (he pulled an Axl Rose a couple of years ago), and most of their live stuff is now playback. Such a shame. Agreed on the critique of the other Orgy albums entirely. Well Orgy has always... masked... their live performances. Back to industrial but it's so heavily produced as a genre it's near impossible to play live without trickery. The aforementioned Stabbing Westward much like Orgy are both awful live if you want the same "sound" from the albums. NIN and Manson are just as heavily produced but at least pull off live performance shenanigans from a production standpoint to save face.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 0:48:55 GMT -5
Seconded. Candyass was my favourite album for years, and even now is probably in my top five, and Vapor Transmission was excellent as well. Punk Statik Paranoia was a crushing disappointment, but totally understandable after hearing about its troubled production (it was pretty much abandoned midway through recording and only saw the light of day because it was completely funded by Jay Gordon's label, so they had to release it just to claw some money back). I actually passed on the chance to see Orgy on their first ever UK tour a couple of months ago. Only Jay remains from the band (he pulled an Axl Rose a couple of years ago), and most of their live stuff is now playback. Such a shame. Agreed on the critique of the other Orgy albums entirely. Well Orgy has always... masked... their live performances. Back to industrial but it's so heavily produced as a genre it's near impossible to play live without trickery. The aforementioned Stabbing Westward much like Orgy are both awful live if you want the same "sound" from the albums. NIN and Manson are just as heavily produced but at least pull off live performance shenanigans from a production standpoint to save face. NIN have always been excellent at reinterpreting things for live performance. You never feel cheated because they change things up and actually play. Nine Inch Nails are my favorite live show, period.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 22, 2015 0:52:11 GMT -5
Seconded. Candyass was my favourite album for years, and even now is probably in my top five, and Vapor Transmission was excellent as well. Punk Statik Paranoia was a crushing disappointment, but totally understandable after hearing about its troubled production (it was pretty much abandoned midway through recording and only saw the light of day because it was completely funded by Jay Gordon's label, so they had to release it just to claw some money back). I actually passed on the chance to see Orgy on their first ever UK tour a couple of months ago. Only Jay remains from the band (he pulled an Axl Rose a couple of years ago), and most of their live stuff is now playback. Such a shame. Agreed on the critique of the other Orgy albums entirely. Well Orgy has always... masked... their live performances. Back to industrial but it's so heavily produced as a genre it's near impossible to play live without trickery. The aforementioned Stabbing Westward much like Orgy are both awful live if you want the same "sound" from the albums. NIN and Manson are just as heavily produced but at least pull off live performance shenanigans from a production standpoint to save face. Oh certainly, there's just no way to replicate the studio sound live without a little bit of sweetening, but a good 75-90% of what you hear is being played live by an actual person, depending on the bands and the complexity of the songs. Based on the feedback from a lot of long-term fans who have attended Orgy's comeback tours since 2012 that percentage has dropped well below 50%.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 22, 2015 0:54:15 GMT -5
Disappointing to hear.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 22, 2015 1:02:19 GMT -5
Speaking of Orgy...
*puts on hipster glasses*
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