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Post by Cela on Dec 18, 2016 16:06:20 GMT -5
"Hey George, why does Padme marry Anakin after he confesses mass murder, only to complain later when he confesses mass murder a second time?" Lucas: "Uh...." "Hey George, why would the Naboo put the obvious moron Jar Jar Binks into a position of such power in the Galactic Senate where he can bestow totalitarian powers upon a man with clear dictatorial intent?" Lucas: "Uhhhh....." "Hey George, why would the Trade Federation claim they haven't invaded Naboo when two Jedis are present who can obviously confirm that A- an invasion has taken place, and B- they were almost murdered and C- the Trade Federation are responsible for both acts? Lucas: "Uhhhhhhhhhhh" 1. Sand People were viewed as sunhuman savages who kidnapped people and raided towns. Compare that to jedi children. May be a little racist, but understandable. Plus, Padme killed a bunch of aliens as well during the gladiator pit battle. 2. He was Padme's friend and an ambassador to one of the largest population groups. 3. The Trade Federation had an extensive network of people paid off in the senate to push their agenda and ensure nothing ever gets done, it was covered by Palpatine in the scene when Padme called for a new Chancellor. Plus, a lot of countries and corporations pull this shit all the time. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 18, 2016 16:10:43 GMT -5
Force Awakens is better than the prequels both individually and collectively.
Prequels are shit.
Solely my POV. Don't care one bit about anyone else's. You feel the opposite? Good for ya.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 18, 2016 16:15:54 GMT -5
Lucas: "It's bold and stylistic and...."
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Post by The Captain on Dec 18, 2016 16:16:32 GMT -5
I will always defend the lightsaber duel of Episode I, the world building in the prequels, and Episode III in general in spite of some awkward writing and bad direction in terms of acting for Hayden and Natalie. And I'll defend Ian McDiarmid's brilliant performance as Palpatine/Sidious throughout the entire prequel trilogy, but especially in Episode III. And as much as I dislike Episode II compared to the rest of the movies, I'd still rather watch it than a lot of other movies.
And I still love TFA. Was it too formulaic? Perhaps yes. But I want to see Rey's hero's journey. Also, I went into it blind so Han's death was one of the most shocking cinematic moments I've ever seen. I'll worry if Episodes VIII and IX are carbon copies of V and VI (especially if they try to give Kylo Ren a redemption arc like they did with Vader), but that remains to be seen especially as JJ Abrams is not involved with either movie.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 18, 2016 16:25:15 GMT -5
"Hey George, why does Padme marry Anakin after he confesses mass murder, only to complain later when he confesses mass murder a second time?" Lucas: "Uh...." "Hey George, why would the Naboo put the obvious moron Jar Jar Binks into a position of such power in the Galactic Senate where he can bestow totalitarian powers upon a man with clear dictatorial intent?" Lucas: "Uhhhh....." "Hey George, why would the Trade Federation claim they haven't invaded Naboo when two Jedis are present who can obviously confirm that A- an invasion has taken place, and B- they were almost murdered and C- the Trade Federation are responsible for both acts? Lucas: "Uhhhhhhhhhhh" 1. Sand People were viewed as sunhuman savages who kidnapped people and raided towns. Compare that to jedi children. May be a little racist, but understandable. Plus, Padme killed a bunch of aliens as well during the gladiator pit battle. 2. He was Padme's friend and an ambassador to one of the largest population groups. 3. The Trade Federation had an extensive network of people paid off in the senate to push their agenda and ensure nothing ever gets done, it was covered by Palpatine in the scene when Padme called for a new Chancellor. Plus, a lot of countries and corporations pull this shit all the time. 1- Killing aliens trying to feed you to monsters is one thing. Imagine how the audience would have regarded Padme if she said "What....oh Anakin, you've killed children? And this time they aren't just the disgusting offspring of desert savages??? How awful...Oh my!"2- Her hairstylist might be her friend too, doesn't mean she should be trusted with political power. Boss Nass was the leader of that population group. Appoint him instead, or maybe that Gungan captain from The Phantom Menace. He didn't seem to be an idiot. 3- The original Chancellor sent the Jedi to negotiate the dispute in the first instance. So he A- trusted the Jedi with important diplomatic matters, and B- knew the Trade Federation was there en masse. Qui Gon could easily have said "uh...yeah, it's an invasion....that's why we brought the queen here because they were shooting at us and wanted to put her in a concentration camp". If it was Star Trek, they'd have sent the Defiant to tear them a new asshole. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 18, 2016 16:37:34 GMT -5
Force Awakens is better than the prequels both individually and collectively. Prequels are shit. Solely my POV. Don't care one bit about anyone else's. You feel the opposite? Good for ya. My view too. I saw Episode 1 a couple of years ago thinking that it wouldn't be as bad as people said it was. It wasn't. It was worse. Force Awakens isn't the best Star Wars film but good lord, it destroyed those prequels HARD. But as Kevin said, if you disagree good for you. |
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Post by Stu on Dec 18, 2016 16:38:29 GMT -5
Geez, why aren't we getting more people coming here after seeing Rogue One? I wanna hear more reaction and feedback.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 18, 2016 16:48:37 GMT -5
I say again, Darth Vader woo!
I also liked the blue milk and stuff like that in the background that wasn't intrusive.
I do admit missing the opening crawl.
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Post by Fade on Dec 18, 2016 16:53:49 GMT -5
Geez, why aren't we getting more people coming here after seeing Rogue One? I wanna hear more reaction and feedback. I went to sleep not knowing how to feel. It's technically really good. Gorgeous. The most immersive experience of the "SW Universe" I.e droids, ships, aliens... I didn't think I'd like the "rogues" but loved them all except Cassian. I went to sleep thinking "But was it needed?" it's an enjoyable flick. Just not the most enjoyable SW flick for me, I'd say. At least now ESB can't be touted as "the darkest SW film". |
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Post by Fade on Dec 18, 2016 16:55:08 GMT -5
I say again, Darth Vader woo! I also liked the blue milk and stuff like that in the background that wasn't intrusive. I do admit missing the opening crawl. That was weird! They need to either add a crawl to the films or no "STAR WARS ROGUE ONE A STAR WARS STORY" Just start the flick. |
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 18, 2016 17:02:52 GMT -5
It's not even the Ewoks being cute that I like. Outmatched underdog triumphs is always a good story. I've always loved how the Ewoks fit into the narrative. Palpatine having everything figured out with his Death Star trap and then to be defeated by creatures his overconfidence never would've allowed him to perceive as threats. I can't believe people still defend the prequels. Beleive it. People can find different things to enjoy about these things when they get older. South Park made the best point ever about FA and that was the only saving grace of that entire 20th season. FA is'nt endearing, it's f'ing empty calories. It's fast food Star Wars...reminds you of a good feeling you had years ago, but it does'nt prepare you for anything. The prequels inform you a lot on what comes down the line in real world politics, and it impacted me a lot when Bush was in office. Funny how you'll tell us to separate fandom from reality, here's the thing, why not let people enjoy what they want to enjoy without making them feel awkward about what they LEARN to enjoy? Times change, tastes change, tastes evolve. You think the prequels are shit? Good for you, but you're going to get more people like me here who saw something good in them and we won't be silenced because you're so damn drunk on 'member berry juice Sad thing is, you KNOW FA is crap and yet you praise it. That's worse. Let's reward mediocrity and "safe" storytelling because Han Solo told sanitation that's not how the force works, or someone shed a tear really really well. Ugh. Considering pretty much everything about The Force Awakens set up plot points for the next two sequels (Rey's parents, her training with Luke, Finn's status, Kylo Ren's training, Snoke's identity and plan, what General Hux is up to next, etc.) while also taking a risk with killing off a beloved character, I've never understood why people think it's "safe" storytelling. EDIT: I was going to make a separate post discussing my thoughts of Rogue One, but I'll add it here as I didn't want to make two posts back-to-back. So, my thoughts: Holy f***ing shit, did I ever love Rogue One. I loved the story, the characters, the little nods to A New Hope like a couple of Mos Eisley characters who have a cameo, Bail Organa (who I cannot unsee as Matt Santos from The West Wing, ha), that ending scene with Vader which might actually be the most awesome portrayal of his character in any movie he's been in, and I loved how they explained the Death Star weakness. Basically, I need the Blu-Ray release right damn now. |
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Dec 18, 2016 17:41:34 GMT -5
Of the prequels, Phantom really holds up the worst and is a worse movie with time. Honestly all 3 films could have been one and been better.
As for TFA, my take on it is, it was meant to be a "hey guys, you can trust us with this franchise" movie. They had to make a film that looked, sounded, and felt so much like SW that they didn't get to spread their wings very much. Now that they made that flick letting us know they can get the tone and feel correct, they can go about being creative. Episode 8 is rumored heavily to actually be a prequel to TFA or both a prequel and sequel. I am really excited for that, and it has a ton of potential.
TFA also gets to be more enjoyable with repeat viewings when the expectations aren't as high and I can watch it for what it is. A pretty good "one of those."
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Post by Jiren on Dec 18, 2016 18:14:59 GMT -5
I liked FA, Granted Rey is little bland at the moment but I think that's due to us not knowing her full story, Luke was boring in ANH but got better in Empire & Jedi.
Speaking of Rogue one, I think I need to see it again. My first showing I was a bit tired (My tickets were booked so I couldn't renege), Hopefully a second showing will be better
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 18, 2016 18:19:14 GMT -5
Since we're talking about the prequels, despite my earlier comment, I like the prequels for the most part. There's plenty wrong with all three and more than a few awkward moments (like the "I hate sand" and "Yippie" moments I mentioned before), but I can watch them and still have a good time. Hell, Attack of the Clones has the awesome Obi Wan/Jango Fett fight, which is the only time a Fett actually fights anyone in the movies.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 18, 2016 18:23:12 GMT -5
wow, what a movie! easily the best Star Wars since Empire. {Spoiler}I loudly said "Holy Shit" when Peter Freaking Cushing showed up. it's amazing what we can do these days. it was worth it just for seeing Darth Vader being badass again for the first time since Jedi. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 18, 2016 18:37:12 GMT -5
Since we're talking about the prequels, despite my earlier comment, I like the prequels for the most part. There's plenty wrong with all three and more than a few awkward moments (like the "I hate sand" and "Yippie" moments I mentioned before), but I can watch them and still have a good time. Hell, Attack of the Clones has the awesome Obi Wan/Jango Fett fight, which is the only time a Fett actually fights anyone in the movies. All three prequels have redeeming features. The Maul vs. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan duel, Obi-Wan vs. Anakin, and the performances of Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid among them. They all look fantastic during the scenes actually shot on location and on real sets, and some of Williams' best music period is in the prequels. Lucas' limitations as a writer and director are ultimately the fatal flaws in the prequels. Great storyteller, great visual director, appalling screenwriter and even worse acting director. |
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 18, 2016 18:48:58 GMT -5
This movie needed a scene with a Death Star Trooper leaning on a rail as to allow for an explanation why there isn't one in A new Hope.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 18:54:40 GMT -5
I can't believe people still defend the prequels. Beleive it. People can find different things to enjoy about these things when they get older. South Park made the best point ever about FA and that was the only saving grace of that entire 20th season. FA is'nt endearing, it's f'ing empty calories. It's fast food Star Wars...reminds you of a good feeling you had years ago, but it does'nt prepare you for anything. The prequels inform you a lot on what comes down the line in real world politics, and it impacted me a lot when Bush was in office. Funny how you'll tell us to separate fandom from reality, here's the thing, why not let people enjoy what they want to enjoy without making them feel awkward about what they LEARN to enjoy? Times change, tastes change, tastes evolve. You think the prequels are shit? Good for you, but you're going to get more people like me here who saw something good in them and we won't be silenced because you're so damn drunk on 'member berry juice Sad thing is, you KNOW FA is crap and yet you praise it. That's worse. Let's reward mediocrity and "safe" storytelling because Han Solo told sanitation that's not how the force works, or someone shed a tear really really well. Ugh. You claim that people can defend the prequels if they like something about them, yet you follow it up by telling people that they KNOW Force Awakens sucked. Isn't it ironic, don't you think? |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 18, 2016 19:47:07 GMT -5
I quite liked it. Think it'll be interesting to watch it back to back with A New Hope.
I've been pretty sure the 15 minute airport brawl in Captain America: Civil War was going to end up as my favorite scene of the year, but that Darth Vader scene at the end of this one...that was something else.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 18, 2016 19:47:53 GMT -5
You claim that people can defend the prequels if they like something about them, yet you follow it up by telling people that they KNOW Force Awakens sucked. Isn't it ironic, don't you think? Like rain sand on your Anakin's wedding day. |
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