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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 19:57:21 GMT -5
You claim that people can defend the prequels if they like something about them, yet you follow it up by telling people that they KNOW Force Awakens sucked. Isn't it ironic, don't you think? Like rain sand on your Anakin's wedding day. It's like ten thousand blasters when all you need is a lightsaber. |
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 18, 2016 20:55:10 GMT -5
It's like a black fly rot-wing in your Chardonnay Savareen brandy.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 18, 2016 21:49:44 GMT -5
Since we're talking about the prequels, despite my earlier comment, I like the prequels for the most part. There's plenty wrong with all three and more than a few awkward moments (like the "I hate sand" and "Yippie" moments I mentioned before), but I can watch them and still have a good time. Hell, Attack of the Clones has the awesome Obi Wan/Jango Fett fight, which is the only time a Fett actually fights anyone in the movies. All three prequels have redeeming features. The Maul vs. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan duel, Obi-Wan vs. Anakin, and the performances of Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid among them. They all look fantastic during the scenes actually shot on location and on real sets, and some of Williams' best music period is in the prequels. Lucas' limitations as a writer and director are ultimately the fatal flaws in the prequels. Great storyteller, great visual director, appalling screenwriter and even worse acting director. Lucas had all the ideas, but nobody to rein them in. |
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Post by Stu on Dec 18, 2016 22:01:22 GMT -5
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 18, 2016 22:08:10 GMT -5
All three prequels have redeeming features. The Maul vs. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan duel, Obi-Wan vs. Anakin, and the performances of Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid among them. They all look fantastic during the scenes actually shot on location and on real sets, and some of Williams' best music period is in the prequels. Lucas' limitations as a writer and director are ultimately the fatal flaws in the prequels. Great storyteller, great visual director, appalling screenwriter and even worse acting director. Lucas had all the ideas, but nobody to rein them in. More accurately, he didn't have Marcia Lucas to rein him in. Without her, the original trilogy would be the standard of the prequels. She's the most unsung hero of the franchise, making so many contributions that made the series what it is. |
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Post by Evil Homer on Dec 18, 2016 23:21:20 GMT -5
Absolutely loved it . This felt like a true prequel to a new hope - I was so over joyed that Vader was voiced by James Earl Jones **Spoilers** {Spoiler}That scene with Vader at the end was just so damn perfect , I was hopefull there would be at least one light saber used in the film . I let out a genuine gasp ( as did a lot of other people ) at the cameo by Leia . I will be watching this at least once in I max |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 18, 2016 23:27:36 GMT -5
Saw it, liked it a lot. My only complaints are the music, and the cut scenes we glimpsed at in the trailers. In particular Whitaker's lines about what would happen if Jynn is captured, broken, and what she will become.
To me, in my head canon, Whitaker was captured, and was broken. That's why he hates the Empire to such an extreme, because they beat him. No matter how much damage he does in return, it doesn't matter because he himself had been defeated. And his cut lines, to me, solidify my head canon.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Dec 19, 2016 0:16:24 GMT -5
I thought the second half of the movie was very, very good. The first half was very dull. I have no desire to run out and see it again like I did Force Awakens. I thought the final act felt like it was going on forever. Also, when it was over, I had no idea why the movie was made (Outside of making Disney money, of course). Again, I thought it was good, but I definitely thought it was one of those movies where I watch it and then realize I will probably have no desire to ever watch it again. Maybe it's because {Spoiler}{Spoiler}most of the movie is a f***ing bummer. I expected a chunk of the group to die, but not the entire f***ing group. It legitimately blows my mind that people are saying this is better than Force Awakens, but that's just my lowly opinion. I'm assuming a lot of it has to do with the fact that this is 'new' and it's currently the hot thing. |
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Post by Cela on Dec 19, 2016 0:23:59 GMT -5
1. Sand People were viewed as sunhuman savages who kidnapped people and raided towns. Compare that to jedi children. May be a little racist, but understandable. Plus, Padme killed a bunch of aliens as well during the gladiator pit battle. 2. He was Padme's friend and an ambassador to one of the largest population groups. 3. The Trade Federation had an extensive network of people paid off in the senate to push their agenda and ensure nothing ever gets done, it was covered by Palpatine in the scene when Padme called for a new Chancellor. Plus, a lot of countries and corporations pull this shit all the time. 1- Killing aliens trying to feed you to monsters is one thing. Imagine how the audience would have regarded Padme if she said "What....oh Anakin, you've killed children? And this time they aren't just the disgusting offspring of desert savages??? How awful...Oh my!"2- Her hairstylist might be her friend too, doesn't mean she should be trusted with political power. Boss Nass was the leader of that population group. Appoint him instead, or maybe that Gungan captain from The Phantom Menace. He didn't seem to be an idiot. 3- The original Chancellor sent the Jedi to negotiate the dispute in the first instance. So he A- trusted the Jedi with important diplomatic matters, and B- knew the Trade Federation was there en masse. Qui Gon could easily have said "uh...yeah, it's an invasion....that's why we brought the queen here because they were shooting at us and wanted to put her in a concentration camp". If it was Star Trek, they'd have sent the Defiant to tear them a new asshole. 1. Think she was also willing to forgive his rage a little because they had killed his mom. Also, beyond the kidnap and rape, these were assholes who randomly killed podracers for the lulz. No one liked them. 2. Meant it as Jar Jar was the one who brokered the alliance between Padme and Boss Nass. He worked well for both worlds, and likely was diplomatically involved between the two in the ensuing 10 or so years. Also, who could have forseen him doing... that. 3. I get that the Jedi were shot at, and logically should have been the final nail in the Trade Federation's coffin. But they pretty much owned half the senate and were committed to lying. Without getting specific politics involved, with enough money and disregard for the truth, you can accomplish anything. For a non political thing, look at the tobacco industry. For years they were able to downplay tobacco's harmful side effects, despite scientific smoking guns to the contrary. |
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Post by Glitch on Dec 19, 2016 1:45:49 GMT -5
It was a decent film. A better prequel than the prequel trilogy, and a better made film than the force awakens. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}
What I really noticed most of all is the acting. Not really since Empire Strikes Back have we seen acting like this in Star Wars. Especial when Galen Erso is talking as a hologram. This really felt what shined.
Vader wasn't necessarily a bad performance, but this does make me appreciate the physical acting abilities of David Prowse, as well as the skills of the directors of Empire and Jedi. This Vader seemed to move around too much. Prowse's Vader has a more stiff, and imposing body language. And Vader's voice didn't seem as subdued as in Empire and Jedi. That facade of always sounding in control is what made his voice intimidating. Which was an improvement over his voice in New Hope. Kind of nitpicking, but something I noticed.
I liked that a huge chunk of the cast didn't make it off the planet. I liked the cast but it kind of reinforces that this is a rebel group that is much smaller than their enemy. And sometimes they have to risk their lives to get a job done.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 19, 2016 2:43:46 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}And Vader's voice didn't seem as subdued as in Empire and Jedi. That facade of always sounding in control is what made his voice intimidating. Which was an improvement over his voice in New Hope. Kind of nitpicking, but something I noticed. {Spoiler}I've always seen the Vader in A New Hope as a very different beast to the one in Empire and Jedi. In ANH he's a man driven by pure anger and hate. At Obi-Wan for his physical disabilities, the Emperor for failing to help him save his wife and child, and at himself for being too weak to overthrow the Emperor.
By Empire he's killed Obi-Wan and discovered that his son didn't die with his wife. The internal conflict between Anakin and Vader that Luke senses sets in, and he begins his plot to use Luke to help him kill Palpatine. With the hope of having a little piece of what he lost in ROTS back he's no longer a being of pure rage, so it makes sense that he's a little more subdued in the latter movies. |
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Post by Joker on Dec 19, 2016 9:16:30 GMT -5
Watched it again, still excellent. My previous post 3 drawbacks are all gone.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 19, 2016 9:35:09 GMT -5
It was a decent film. A better prequel than the prequel trilogy, and a better made film than the force awakens. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
What I really noticed most of all is the acting. Not really since Empire Strikes Back have we seen acting like this in Star Wars. Especial when Galen Erso is talking as a hologram. This really felt what shined.
Vader wasn't necessarily a bad performance, but this does make me appreciate the physical acting abilities of David Prowse, as well as the skills of the directors of Empire and Jedi. This Vader seemed to move around too much. Prowse's Vader has a more stiff, and imposing body language. And Vader's voice didn't seem as subdued as in Empire and Jedi. That facade of always sounding in control is what made his voice intimidating. Which was an improvement over his voice in New Hope. Kind of nitpicking, but something I noticed.
I liked that a huge chunk of the cast didn't make it off the planet. I liked the cast but it kind of reinforces that this is a rebel group that is much smaller than their enemy. And sometimes they have to risk their lives to get a job done.
Agreed about Vader. You could tell it wasn't David Prowse. It's the same with Kane Hodder as Jason or Gunner Hansen as Leatherface. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 19, 2016 9:47:45 GMT -5
1- Killing aliens trying to feed you to monsters is one thing. Imagine how the audience would have regarded Padme if she said "What....oh Anakin, you've killed children? And this time they aren't just the disgusting offspring of desert savages??? How awful...Oh my!"2- Her hairstylist might be her friend too, doesn't mean she should be trusted with political power. Boss Nass was the leader of that population group. Appoint him instead, or maybe that Gungan captain from The Phantom Menace. He didn't seem to be an idiot. 3- The original Chancellor sent the Jedi to negotiate the dispute in the first instance. So he A- trusted the Jedi with important diplomatic matters, and B- knew the Trade Federation was there en masse. Qui Gon could easily have said "uh...yeah, it's an invasion....that's why we brought the queen here because they were shooting at us and wanted to put her in a concentration camp". If it was Star Trek, they'd have sent the Defiant to tear them a new asshole. 1. Think she was also willing to forgive his rage a little because they had killed his mom. Also, beyond the kidnap and rape, these were assholes who randomly killed podracers for the lulz. No one liked them. 2. Meant it as Jar Jar was the one who brokered the alliance between Padme and Boss Nass. He worked well for both worlds, and likely was diplomatically involved between the two in the ensuing 10 or so years. Also, who could have forseen him doing... that. 3. I get that the Jedi were shot at, and logically should have been the final nail in the Trade Federation's coffin. But they pretty much owned half the senate and were committed to lying. Without getting specific politics involved, with enough money and disregard for the truth, you can accomplish anything. For a non political thing, look at the tobacco industry. For years they were able to downplay tobacco's harmful side effects, despite scientific smoking guns to the contrary. 1- The Sand Children didn't kill his mom. Also, it's a damning indicator of Padme's personality that she considers collective punishment to be acceptable. 2- Jar Jar merely led Padme to Boss Nass. Once that occurred, Padme and Nass would have been responsible for diplomatic work between the two communities. I don't think it was much of a stretch to forsee that a scatterbrained moron would eventually do something moronic if given power in a galactic legislature. 3- Even influence within the Senate would not have been enough to cancel out the testimony of two Jedi. Hell, the Naboo could have simply taken a recording of tanks rolling into their city and that would have sufficed to prove the Trade Federation had invaded them. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 19, 2016 10:03:16 GMT -5
Saw it, liked it a lot. My only complaints are the music, and the cut scenes we glimpsed at in the trailers. In particular Whitaker's lines about what would happen if Jynn is captured, broken, and what she will become. To me, in my head canon, Whitaker was captured, and was broken. That's why he hates the Empire to such an extreme, because they beat him. No matter how much damage he does in return, it doesn't matter because he himself had been defeated. And his cut lines, to me, solidify my head canon. He actually does have a backstory, as he was on Clone Wars and Rebels There are definitely some gaps to fill in though, which certainly can be filled with beatings. I think he still has his legs on the show. |
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Dec 19, 2016 10:12:27 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one has already brought up: {Spoiler} Jyn also being Cody Rhodes |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 19, 2016 10:50:35 GMT -5
I'm surprised that anyone thinks the Peter Cushing cartoon worked at all. It was like a video game CGI sequence jammed next to the real actors.
It was almost bearable in scenes where he wasn't in the same shot as real humans, but he never felt like a real person at all to me.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Dec 19, 2016 12:21:21 GMT -5
I'm surprised that anyone thinks the Peter Cushing cartoon worked at all. It was like a video game CGI sequence jammed next to the real actors. It was almost bearable in scenes where he wasn't in the same shot as real humans, but he never felt like a real person at all to me. His face and body movement in general was fine to me, but it was glaringly obvious in his mouth. Maybe they should've used him as a hologram to mask some of the imperfections. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 19, 2016 12:32:32 GMT -5
I'm surprised that anyone thinks the Peter Cushing cartoon worked at all. It was like a video game CGI sequence jammed next to the real actors. It was almost bearable in scenes where he wasn't in the same shot as real humans, but he never felt like a real person at all to me. His face and body movement in general was fine to me, but it was glaringly obvious in his mouth. Maybe they should've used him as a hologram to mask some of the imperfections. I said the same thing to my wife on the way out of the theater. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 19, 2016 12:35:59 GMT -5
His face and body movement in general was fine to me, but it was glaringly obvious in his mouth. The body is a real person, they just CGI'd the face. {Spoiler}Same with Leia. |
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