Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One (2016)

[Limity (BLM)]

Dec 19, 2016 23:11:20 GMT -5 Glitch said:

There's one part that did confuse me. Nowhere did they mention what effect something as expensive as the Death Star would have on trade tariffs. Or for that matter, what bureaucratic offices Tarkin would have go through when filing out paper work on it's construction.
I was totally lost.

I wonder, of all the people watching Phantom Menace for the first time in theaters, how many had a sense of foreboding when the opening crawl was the equivalent to an episode of NPR's Marketplace.

But as it pertains to your question, clearly the Death Star was intended to create long term financial worries in the commodities market, forcing a bear market when APR's are pressured to rise despite financial shortfall from lessening tax bases. Of course that leads to a bear market when municipalities release bonds in an attempt to bridge the gap and create short term liquidity. The private sectors respond by defaulting on the NASDAQ and Dow estimates, forcing mass selling and shorts of tech sectors and tentative buy backs of gold based currency in the hopes of re-evaluations based on the price of oil. Now here's where it gets interesting, you see the...

[lizzurd]

Armond White in top form deconstructing the Disney consumerism machine as it sells fake nonconformity to a legion of plastic hoarding conformists.

My experience with watching the Star Wars franchise as an adult could be summed up during a key moment, in Return of the Jedi, that fans of the series consider a turning point in Western narrative tradition: Incredulous, I turned to a friend and commented, “I can’t believe we’re watching a puppet die.”

The brand-name consumerist practice continues in Rogue One’s tale — another flashback to the very, very beginning — about efforts, headed by the Rebellion’s Jyn Erso (Felicity Jones) and Cassian Endor (Diego Luna), to steal the Empire’s plans for the Death Star. This latest “origin story” features no storytelling development but simply repeats Star Wars formulae as did last year’s The Force Awakens (and just like the indistinguishable episodes of The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter). Rogue One, a huckster’s tale, confirms the Disney Corporation’s routine indoctrination of its captive audience.

Critic Gregory Solman shrewdly assessed the momentary backlash (remember all that fake outrage over Jar Jar Binks?) as an indication of the consumer appetite of the Star Wars generation. “Fickle,” Solman put it. But the temporarily bored children soon came back to the discarded toy set and, in the new millennium, the media-political complex joined in by celebrating The Force Awakens as though it were something new, nearly patriotic.

Pop art rarely expresses common spiritual and psychological needs so much as it repeatedly connects consumers to the process of cultural indoctrination ensuring their safe place in the group-think society. It’s the Pixar, Apple condition: Conforming becomes its own reward. Even if it’s called “rebellion,” it means you belong.

[xCompackx]

...Sometimes I think people take this "Disney is going to rule our lives" thing a bit too seriously to be amusing...

[Feargus McReddit]

Dec 20, 2016 1:57:45 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

...Sometimes I think people take this "Disney is going to rule our lives" thing a bit too seriously to be amusing...

Yeah, when you use the word "indoctrination" non ironically about popular culture, you not so much lose the argument as much as take part in its own assassination.

Like, seriously, I know we are in an age of trying to get hits for websites and newspapers but what happened to just not liking something? Do we have to act like every movie a big company makes is a starting point to Orwell's 1984?

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Dec 20, 2016 1:30:37 GMT -5 lizzurd said:

Armond White in top form deconstructing the Disney consumerism machine as it sells fake nonconformity to a legion of plastic hoarding conformists.

My experience with watching the Star Wars franchise as an adult could be summed up during a key moment, in Return of the Jedi, that fans of the series consider a turning point in Western narrative tradition: Incredulous, I turned to a friend and commented, “I can’t believe we’re watching a puppet die.”

The brand-name consumerist practice continues in Rogue One’s tale — another flashback to the very, very beginning — about efforts, headed by the Rebellion’s Jyn Erso (Felicity Jones) and Cassian Endor (Diego Luna), to steal the Empire’s plans for the Death Star. This latest “origin story” features no storytelling development but simply repeats Star Wars formulae as did last year’s The Force Awakens (and just like the indistinguishable episodes of The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter). Rogue One, a huckster’s tale, confirms the Disney Corporation’s routine indoctrination of its captive audience.

Critic Gregory Solman shrewdly assessed the momentary backlash (remember all that fake outrage over Jar Jar Binks?) as an indication of the consumer appetite of the Star Wars generation. “Fickle,” Solman put it. But the temporarily bored children soon came back to the discarded toy set and, in the new millennium, the media-political complex joined in by celebrating The Force Awakens as though it were something new, nearly patriotic.

Pop art rarely expresses common spiritual and psychological needs so much as it repeatedly connects consumers to the process of cultural indoctrination ensuring their safe place in the group-think society. It’s the Pixar, Apple condition: Conforming becomes its own reward. Even if it’s called “rebellion,” it means you belong.

Then with a grunt, Armond let loose a fart so potent that it'd undo a vasectomy and promptly stuck his head down and smelled until he started drooling all over the floor.

[sternrogers01]

Here's what Mark Miller thought. He's pretty positive about some elements but thinks the rewrites hurt it a lot (though he does'nt go into specifics as to why)

Rogue One I think had a really, really brilliant concept at the heart of it. A flaw in Star Wars, which struck me even as a kid, was that a giant kill machine like the Death Star should never have been built with a colossal design flaw that let's you blow it up. The idea that a man had been forced to build this and had structured it to have this weakness as his revenge is fantastic. I love it. I also like the idea of a Dirty Dozen style bunch of renegades sent on a mission too. But sadly, the movie itself didn't really work for me. The plot (by Gary Whitta) I'll bet was bloody brilliant, but all those other names in the credits makes me think this was hurt by rewrites and the two lead actors had huge charisma problems, completely miscast for a big adventure movie, which was a shame as I'm the biggest Star Wars fan in the world. I'm glad people are digging it though because some nice people involved in the making of it.

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[Hit Girl]

It always makes me laugh when critics demand originality from an integrated installment of a series with a well established identity.

As if a Star Wars movie would make any sense at all if it was a Dogma 95 drama directed by Lars Von Trier.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Dec 20, 2016 9:42:54 GMT -5 Hit Girl said:

It always makes me laugh when critics demand originality from an integrated installment of a series with a well established identity.

As if a Star Wars movie would make any sense at all if it was a Dogma 95 drama directed by Lars Von Trier.

Shooting must be done on location!

And where the hell do you want to film the evil castle on the lava planet, sir?

[Push R Truth]

Dec 20, 2016 10:00:19 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

Dec 20, 2016 9:42:54 GMT -5 Hit Girl said:

It always makes me laugh when critics demand originality from an integrated installment of a series with a well established identity.

As if a Star Wars movie would make any sense at all if it was a Dogma 95 drama directed by Lars Von Trier.

Shooting must be done on location!

And where the hell do you want to film the evil castle on the lava planet, sir?

At Barbra Streisand's

[Limity (BLM)]

Dec 20, 2016 11:06:30 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

Dec 20, 2016 10:00:19 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

Shooting must be done on location!

And where the hell do you want to film the evil castle on the lava planet, sir?

At Barbra Streisand's

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[Pooh Carlson]

Saw it twice. Great movie both times. One thing bugged me though and I don't know how to do spoiler tags on my phone so be forwarned, there's slight spoilers that follow......




At the end when Jyn is on the tower and Krennic has her at blaster point, Jyn tells him everything, tells him about the weakness, and says that she broadcast it to the galaxy..... But she hadn't yet. So he could've easily shot her, removed the plans, and fixed the weakness.

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Just got back. I was dead tired so I kept dozing off during the middle, but what I saw of it was great.

[The Captain]

I loved the movie. Probably the most depressing entry in the series. Somehow I'm also not surprised that Armond White continues to be up his own ass with movie reviews.

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{Spoiler}I love that the Hammerhead cruisers were in the Rebel fleet. Loved seeing that nod to the KOTOR era on the big screen.

[Shark]

I went to see this yesterday and I decided to take a day and go over my thoughts and I think my favorite thing about this movie is that it gave us things we never really got in any of the previous movies.

Seeing big overland ground battles was awesome to finally see and by that I mean proper war scenes. Seeing actual people in actual costumes doing battle. We saw it in the prequel trilogy but it was all so obviously CGI that it never had that realism that this movie had. We saw it a little at the end of ROTJ on Endor, but that still felt a little small and was more focused on the Ewoks that you didn't even see what any other rebels were doing.

Seeing Vader do what he did was also something we've never seen in a Star Wars movie and it was absolutely spectacular!!

Going to spoiler tag the rest of my thoughts.

Also about the pun, this is a Vader who, days after these events, would choke a guy and remark that he found his lack of faith disturbing. The same Vader who accepted an apology from Captain Needa as he is killing him. The same Vader who mocked Obi-Wan throughout their final duel. Vader was always a pretty sassy SOB.

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I really appreciate the fact that they did have all the heroes die in the end. It added more weight to the mission and added to the idea of how desperate the situation was that everyone was willing to lay down their lives for this cause was fantastic.

This also made me think about the reshoots and if it's true what a few others have said about some of the crew surviving, then it's likely the reshoots changed that. Which means that all the concern about Disney messing with the movie to make it lighter when they did the exact opposite possibly.

[Limity (BLM)]

Dec 20, 2016 19:13:19 GMT -5 Shark said:

I went to see this yesterday and I decided to take a day and go over my thoughts and I think my favorite thing about this movie is that it gave us things we never really got in any of the previous movies.

Seeing big overland ground battles was awesome to finally see and by that I mean proper war scenes. Seeing actual people in actual costumes doing battle. We saw it in the prequel trilogy but it was all so obviously CGI that it never had that realism that this movie had. We saw it a little at the end of ROTJ on Endor, but that still felt a little small and was more focused on the Ewoks that you didn't even see what any other rebels were doing.

Seeing Vader do what he did was also something we've never seen in a Star Wars movie and it was absolutely spectacular!!

Going to spoiler tag the rest of my thoughts.

Also about the pun, this is a Vader who, days after these events, would choke a guy and remark that he found his lack of faith disturbing. The same Vader who accepted an apology from Captain Needa as he is killing him. The same Vader who mocked Obi-Wan throughout their final duel. Vader was always a pretty sassy SOB.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
I really appreciate the fact that they did have all the heroes die in the end. It added more weight to the mission and added to the idea of how desperate the situation was that everyone was willing to lay down their lives for this cause was fantastic.

This also made me think about the reshoots and if it's true what a few others have said about some of the crew surviving, then it's likely the reshoots changed that. Which means that all the concern about Disney messing with the movie to make it lighter when they did the exact opposite possibly.

Agreed about the pun, I don't see how anyone would have a problem with it at all. I thought it was a great line.

[Fade]

Dec 20, 2016 6:35:15 GMT -5 sternrogers01 said:

Here's what Mark Miller thought. He's pretty positive about some elements but thinks the rewrites hurt it a lot (though he does'nt go into specifics as to why)

Rogue One I think had a really, really brilliant concept at the heart of it. A flaw in Star Wars, which struck me even as a kid, was that a giant kill machine like the Death Star should never have been built with a colossal design flaw that let's you blow it up. The idea that a man had been forced to build this and had structured it to have this weakness as his revenge is fantastic. I love it. I also like the idea of a Dirty Dozen style bunch of renegades sent on a mission too. But sadly, the movie itself didn't really work for me. The plot (by Gary Whitta) I'll bet was bloody brilliant, but all those other names in the credits makes me think this was hurt by rewrites and the two lead actors had huge charisma problems, completely miscast for a big adventure movie, which was a shame as I'm the biggest Star Wars fan in the world. I'm glad people are digging it though because some nice people involved in the making of it.

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If by lead actors he's referring to Diego Luna I completely agree. That was a terrible miscast. I think he's an okay actor but not right for that role. That role really needed a damn good actor to pull it off.

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Dec 20, 2016 19:39:49 GMT -5 Fade said:

Dec 20, 2016 6:35:15 GMT -5 sternrogers01 said:

Here's what Mark Miller thought. He's pretty positive about some elements but thinks the rewrites hurt it a lot (though he does'nt go into specifics as to why)

forums.millarworld.tv/t/millars-top-10-movies-of-2016/9260

If by lead actors he's referring to Diego Luna I completely agree. That was a terrible miscast. I think he's an okay actor but not right for that role. That role really needed a damn good actor to pull it off.

My friend kept calling him Hipster Solo, now that I had the weekend to let it sink in, in some ways it was a great film, in other ways it was kinda rushed and the only character I cared about was the droid.

I will say I enjoy Episode 7 more as I really cared about the new characters by the end. This one I couldn't really tell you what the charaters names even are, Felicity Jones did a great job but I never really was sold on what her character was fighting for. Then it just goes down from there.

I'd rank them..

1) Return of the Jedi
2) Force Awakens
3) Revenge of the Sith
4) New Hope
5) Rouge One
6) Empire Strikes Back
7) Phantom Menace
8) Attack of the Clones

Not trolling, I feel the opening in Jaba's palace the best part in the entire Star Wars series. Empire just kinda bored me, but I did like parts on Hoth.

[Fade]

Dec 20, 2016 20:03:17 GMT -5 @uppitynerd said:

Dec 20, 2016 19:39:49 GMT -5 Fade said:

If by lead actors he's referring to Diego Luna I completely agree. That was a terrible miscast. I think he's an okay actor but not right for that role. That role really needed a damn good actor to pull it off.

My friend kept calling him Hipster Solo, now that I had the weekend to let it sink in, in some ways it was a great film, in other ways it was kinda rushed and the only character I cared about was the droid.

I will say I enjoy Episode 7 more as I really cared about the new characters by the end. This one I couldn't really tell you what the charaters names even are, Felicity Jones did a great job but I never really was sold on what her character was fighting for. Then it just goes down from there.

I'd rank them..

1) Return of the Jedi
2) Force Awakens
3) Revenge of the Sith
4) New Hope
5) Rouge One
6) Empire Strikes Back
7) Phantom Menace
8) Attack of the Clones

Not trolling, I feel the opening in Jaba's palace the best part in the entire Star Wars series. Empire just kinda bored me, but I did like parts on Hoth.

I have a hard time remembering the names too..

I'd rank em:
Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
Revenge
Clones
Phantom Menace

[Jiren]

my ranking

1. Empire
2. A New Hope
3. Jedi
4. Revenge Of The Sith
5. Force Awakens
6. Rogue One
7. Phantom Menace
8. Attack Of The Clones

[The Captain]

My rankings would be:

Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
New Hope
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
Revenge of the Sith
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones

It's by no means a knock on Rogue One to be ranked that relatively low. I put New Hope, Rogue One, Force Awakens, and Revenge of the Sith all around the same tier of quality and it's really close together for the four of them.