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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Dec 21, 2016 11:57:27 GMT -5
I'd put Rogue One above the prequels but below the original trilogy, which is right where Force Awakens is. Disney is doing right by the franchise. They're not exactly creating something as original or as memorable as that original set of movies. That's a lot to live up to. I have no problem continuing to make seeing a new Star Wars movie a December tradition if they continue to be just as fun as these last two. I feel the Han Solo flick is going to be a huge success. Inctedible cast so far and incredible directors. Word-of-Mouth is powerful these days and with Rogue one its not really "Holy Shit Amazing!" or "Shit!" It's been conflicted or really good. I guarantee with Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, Han Solos going To get good word of mouth. I'm not entirely optimistic about the Han Solo movie. Generations of people have grown up knowing Harrison Ford as Han Solo. He brought a charm to the Han Solo character that I can't see being duplicated. I'm not familiar with the actor that's going to play him, but I just don't see a lot of fans taking to him as Han Solo immediately, just based on looks alone. They're also trying the same thing with Lando Calrissian in this movie. It's going to be hard to suspend your disbelief that we will be seeing someone besides Billy Dee Williams as that character. I thought Ewan McGregor did a great job as Obi-Wan Kenobi in the prequels. Many people did. So much so that he is probably getting his own solo movie for his Kenobi character. There's even talk of a Boba Fett movie. You could throw anyone in that suit and it works. Personality wasn't Bob Fett's strong point. Maybe the new actors playing these iconic roles will do just as well. I hope so. I don't want to feel like I'm watching a bad knock off of a Star Wars movie. I will hope for the best but I won't be surprised if we don't get it. One actor living up to such a famous role is hard enough. This movie is trying it with two of them. I don't mean to sound like the casting situation is so heavy here but dedicated fans take their Star Wars seriously. Just look at how badly so many of them reacted to the prequels. Disney has built some goodwill with hardcore Star Wars fans with these last two movies. I don't want to see them blow it by rolling out pale imitations of classic characters in cash grab movies. |
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Post by oj32 on Dec 21, 2016 22:05:40 GMT -5
I went into this movie with low expectations and I reluctantly went with a group of friends and I'm so glad I did. It surpasses all my expectations, I was beyond impressed with the CGI innovations, I enjoyed the plot and the ending was perfect.
I've since read a few articles criticizing the ending and I wondered if they were all written by people who have never seen Episode IV...
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Post by oj32 on Dec 21, 2016 22:14:46 GMT -5
my list based on live-action theatrical releases only: 1. Empire 2. Star Wars 3. Force Awakens 4. Jedi 5. Rogue One 6. Sith 7. Phantom Menace 8. Clones It's interesting that so many lists have A New Hope and Force Awakens back to back; makes sense I guess because one is nearly a remake of the other. I actually found Rogue One slightly more satisfying than TFA because it was unique and far more original. When I saw TFA I basically knew what to expect, however although I did know that the mission would be completed in Rogue One I had no roadmap for it. So just for originality I'd place Rouge ahead of TFA. However your list is excellent. |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 21, 2016 22:44:17 GMT -5
my list based on live-action theatrical releases only: 1. Empire 2. Star Wars 3. Force Awakens 4. Jedi 5. Rogue One 6. Sith 7. Phantom Menace 8. Clones It's interesting that so many lists have A New Hope and Force Awakens back to back; makes sense I guess because one is nearly a remake of the other. I actually found Rogue One slightly more satisfying than TFA because it was unique and far more original. When I saw TFA I basically knew what to expect, however although I did know that the mission would be completed in Rogue One I had no roadmap for it. So just for originality I'd place Rouge ahead of TFA. However your list is excellent. I struggled with where to place Force Awakens and Return of the Jedi. I would flip those two before moving A New Hope. |
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Post by montee916 on Dec 21, 2016 23:14:20 GMT -5
My personal picks:
1: Empire
2: Rogue One
3: A New Hope
4: Revenge of the Sith
5: Return of the Jedi
6: Attack of the Clones
7: Force Awakens
8: Phantom Menace
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Dec 22, 2016 0:01:37 GMT -5
I'm seeing Rogue One next week, so I can't really place it in a list, but what I do have as my list of Star Wars films is as follows.
1. The Empire Strikes Back.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 22, 2016 0:10:12 GMT -5
I'm seeing Rogue One next week, so I can't really place it in a list, but what I do have as my list of Star Wars films is as follows. 1. The Empire Strikes Back. Dammit, that made me laugh. |
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Post by oj32 on Dec 22, 2016 1:59:23 GMT -5
It's interesting that so many lists have A New Hope and Force Awakens back to back; makes sense I guess because one is nearly a remake of the other. I actually found Rogue One slightly more satisfying than TFA because it was unique and far more original. When I saw TFA I basically knew what to expect, however although I did know that the mission would be completed in Rogue One I had no roadmap for it. So just for originality I'd place Rouge ahead of TFA. However your list is excellent. I struggled with where to place Force Awakens and Return of the Jedi. I would flip those two before moving A New Hope. Would you have flipped the two if near the end of Jedi when Vader asks Luke to take his mask off instead of the face of Sebastian Shaw it was Hayden Christensen's smiling face under the mask? : -) |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 22, 2016 2:20:50 GMT -5
I'm surprised that anyone thinks the Peter Cushing cartoon worked at all. It was like a video game CGI sequence jammed next to the real actors. It was almost bearable in scenes where he wasn't in the same shot as real humans, but he never felt like a real person at all to me. I thought both he and the "other" CGI character looked terrible. For a movie that tried to be as realistic as Star Wars can be, these things really took me out of the moment. Also, imagine how much worse they are going to look in like 5 or 10 years when the technology to do this is way better. I thought Gold Leader and Red Leader looked seamless. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 22, 2016 2:41:30 GMT -5
Btw, my nephew saw it before me and warned me not to get my hopes up. I think he might be on drugs. I loved it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 9:20:09 GMT -5
I thought both he and the "other" CGI character looked terrible. For a movie that tried to be as realistic as Star Wars can be, these things really took me out of the moment. Also, imagine how much worse they are going to look in like 5 or 10 years when the technology to do this is way better. I thought Gold Leader and Red Leader looked seamless. I'm fairly certain those 2 shots of Angus MacInnes and Drewe Henley were just repurposed footage from A NEW HOPE, not brand new CGI faces over other actors. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 22, 2016 9:30:00 GMT -5
I thought Gold Leader and Red Leader looked seamless. I'm fairly certain those 2 shots of Angus MacInnes and Drewe Henley were just repurposed footage from A NEW HOPE, not brand new CGI faces over other actors. I've heard the shots were actually unused footage from ANH. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 22, 2016 10:01:06 GMT -5
In their original forms, I rank the SW movies as 1- ESB, 2- ANH and 3- ROTJ
ROTJ has been damaged greatly by Lucas' changes, in particular the musical number at Jabba's Palace, the "noooooooooo" during the Vader/Palpatine/Luke finale, and the hideous replacement of Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen.
As for the rest, I'd have TFA at 4. I haven't seen Rogue One, but I already know it's better than all the prequels.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 22, 2016 14:02:54 GMT -5
Watched this a couple days ago with some friends and we all enjoyed it greatly.
I placed it above TFA but below the OT, which I think is a fair standing.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 22, 2016 15:40:09 GMT -5
Good stuff, especially the extended battle at the end and Vaders rampage.
I do sort of get the criticism a few pages back though, it could have been a more meaningful movie.
Having a crazy Forest Whitaker and his splinter group commit the more questionable terrorist acts while the main rebel alliance and particularly Cassian mostly just allude to the things they've done was a bit of a cop out.
Of course it's Star Wars so no need to go too deep into the terrorism theme but replacing the Forest Whitaker stuff with the main rebels botching an attack that led to civilian deaths (maybe while freeing the pilot that defected) would have meant more and strengthened all their sacrifices at the end.
They did try to show the consequences of the rebel actions and questioned their methods in things like the assassination attempt but didn't fully commit.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 22, 2016 16:26:08 GMT -5
Good stuff, especially the extended battle at the end and Vaders rampage. I do sort of get the criticism a few pages back though, it could have been a more meaningful movie. Having a crazy Forest Whitaker and his splinter group commit the more questionable terrorist acts while the main rebel alliance and particularly Cassian mostly just allude to the things they've done was a bit of a cop out. Of course it's Star Wars so no need to go too deep into the terrorism theme but replacing the Forest Whitaker stuff with the main rebels botching an attack that led to civilian deaths (maybe while freeing the pilot that defected) would have meant more and strengthened all their sacrifices at the end. They did try to show the consequences of the rebel actions and questioned their methods in things like the assassination attempt but didn't fully commit. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Cassian shot a guy in cold blood in the back just to keep him from leaking information on the presumption he might do so. That's the darkest thing darn near anyone good or evil has been showcased doing in the entire franchise. Not to mention that 1/4 of the movie is a terrorist act based on presumption. The main rebels were far more menacing than the Saw stuff. I think they got that right because if that's what the "good rebels" did, just imagine what Saw must've done. Some people watched a different movie than I did three times. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 22, 2016 17:31:12 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it. Easily better than anything in the prequels, and it genuinely felt more like part of the saga than them too. {Spoiler}I loved just how casually the Death Star was used. It would've been so easy to really build up to the moment it fired, but it just arrives, fires with minimum fuss, and is done.
I thought the CGI on Tarkin was exceptional. A couple of moments early on looked a little off, but overall the effect was utterly convincing. A good measure of this was I saw it with a friend who hasn't seen A New Hope in about 15 years and he didn't realise Peter Cushing has been dead since '94. Since everybody's listing, mine goes: 1. Return of the Jedi 2. The Empire Strikes Back 3. The Force Awakens 4. A New Hope 5. Rogue One 6. Attack of the Clones 7. Revenge of the Sith 8. The Phantom Menace 3-5 are pretty interchangeable, to be honest. |
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Post by oj32 on Dec 22, 2016 20:01:47 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it. Easily better than anything in the prequels, and it genuinely felt more like part of the saga than them too. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I loved just how casually the Death Star was used. It would've been so easy to really build up to the moment it fired, but it just arrives, fires with minimum fuss, and is done.
I thought the CGI on Tarkin was exceptional. A couple of moments early on looked a little off, but overall the effect was utterly convincing. A good measure of this was I saw it with a friend who hasn't seen A New Hope in about 15 years and he didn't realise Peter Cushing has been dead since '94. Since everybody's listing, mine goes: 1. Return of the Jedi 2. The Empire Strikes Back 3. The Force Awakens 4. A New Hope 5. Rogue One 6. Attack of the Clones 7. Revenge of the Sith 8. The Phantom Menace 3-5 are pretty interchangeable, to be honest. Regarding 1994: Perhaps there's a belated condolence card you could send the family... Sure it's been 22 years but it's the thought that counts... ;-) |
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Post by Stu on Dec 22, 2016 20:12:06 GMT -5
Some of you may recall a couple Star Wars-related threads I started over the last couple years. Basically, I was encouraging all of you to use the films as analogies to describe items that fall within given categories. They were as follows:
Star Wars: Most culturally and historically significant
Empire Strikes Back: Closest to perfection
Return of the Jedi: Imperfect, but lots of fun
The Phantom Menace: Fails to live up to hype
Attack of the Clones: Just sorta there
Revenge of the Sith: Passable with a decent finale
Prior to being released, The Force Awakens was seen as an attempt to return to old glory, but I'm not sure if that still stands now. What do you all think of Rogue One?
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