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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 22, 2016 20:36:46 GMT -5
Regarding 1994: Perhaps there's a belated condolence card you could send the family... Sure it's been 22 years but it's the thought that counts... ;-) {Spoiler}Perhaps my friend could explain how he thought the 60+ year-old Peter Cushing hadn't aged a day in 40 years? |
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Post by BRV on Dec 22, 2016 21:41:25 GMT -5
We're making lists? I love making lists!
1. The Empire Strikes Back: Not only the best in the "Star Wars" saga, but also quite possibly one of my top-10 all-time movies. It's borderline flawless in it's pacing, action, the evolution of characters from "A New Hope" and the introduction to new characters like Yoda or Lando Calrissian. It also builds perfectly to the original finale in the trilogy.
2. Rogue One: It might just be because it's fresh in my mind from seeing it less than a week ago, but I can't get over how much I liked this one. Maybe a second viewing will make me realize some of the flaws, not unlike what happened when I rewatched "The Force Awakens", but as I was watching this one, I couldn't help but be stunned at how great it was.
3. Return of the Jedi: On any given day, I could flip-flop no. 3 and no. 4 on my list, but today I'm feeling old school. Sure, it's a bit corny with the Ewoks saving the heroes, but it's a strong conclusion to the original series.
4. The Force Awakens: Yeah, it's a bit ham-fisted in its references to the previous installments, but I think the best judge of history for this one will be Episode VIII. If that continues to tell the new trilogy story well, it'll probably bump this up the list. But if it fumbles over itself, it might in turn negatively impact how history looks at this movie.
5. A New Hope: A strong introduction to the series and it holds up nicely over time.
6. Revenge of the Sith: It's the best of the prequels, but that's not saying a lot. The gulf between no. 5 and no. 6 on my list is quite massive.
7. The Phantom Menace: A lot of it is not good but enough of it is OK to not call it outright terrible.
8. Attack of the Clones: It's all terrible.
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Post by JTH on Dec 22, 2016 21:55:24 GMT -5
Honestly, to me it's 6th after Sith. Hell, episode 3 at least has character development. Rouge One doesn't even have that, I didn't care about any of these characters by the end. It sucks because I really like Gareth Edwards' 2014 version of Godzilla, but Rouge One suffers from the same thing that people complained about that movie in none of the human characters are interesting, the story is lacking substance, and the one character you're paying to see, you're skimped on. And I know everyone has said, but the visuals are amazing, and the CG and action are superb. Well, you know what else is a visually stunning, CG and action superb series of movies...Transformers. And we hate those movies because the stories are lacking and you give 0 s*its about the characters. Such a shame...  |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 22, 2016 22:10:36 GMT -5
Honestly, to me it's 6th after Sith. Hell, episode 3 at least has character development. Rouge One doesn't even have that, I didn't care about any of these characters by the end. I certainly think that while a few of the supporting characters were very underdeveloped, they were all likeable enough that I cared about their fates. Well, you know what else is a visually stunning, CG and action superb series of movies...Transformers. And we hate those movies because the stories are lacking and you give 0 s*its about the characters. Personally I think the Transformers movies look like garbage on top of having unlikeable characters and muddled plots. Lack of character development isn't even the first, second, or third major complaint. |
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 22, 2016 22:13:49 GMT -5
i'd put it 4th behind the original trilogy and ahead of Force awakens. I enjoyed all the easter eggs (including the ones I missed til I looked them up). I liked that it had a different feel from the others which were all set up for a slower trilogy sized pace while this was the first "it's all happening in one movie" star wars movie. I liked the darker edge to it and vader at the end was worth the price of admission alone.
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Post by Stu on Dec 22, 2016 22:23:43 GMT -5
Honestly, to me it's 6th after Sith. Hell, episode 3 at least has character development. Rouge One doesn't even have that, I didn't care about any of these characters by the end. It sucks because I really like Gareth Edwards' 2014 version of Godzilla, but Rouge One suffers from the same thing that people complained about that movie in none of the human characters are interesting, the story is lacking substance, and the one character you're paying to see, you're skimped on. And I know everyone has said, but the visuals are amazing, and the CG and action are superb. Well, you know what else is a visually stunning, CG and action superb series of movies...Transformers. And we hate those movies because the stories are lacking and you give 0 s*its about the characters. Such a shame... The only issues I had with character development pertained to Baze and Chirrut, since I was still unclear why they even tagged along in the first place. But even then, Chirrut at least showed he had a sense of humor. Otherwise, I expected little from everyone else since: 1: The entire movie took place during a war, and it made sense for everyone to basically be grumpy 2: With so much going in in a short amount of time, you couldn't really expect there to be a lot of focus on character development Don't get me wrong, character development is all well and good. But looking at the overall picture, its shortage wasn't enough for me to dislike the film. The general plot made sense and it fit in well with the main Star Wars story. And that alone made me happy. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 22, 2016 22:52:05 GMT -5
The only issues I had with character development pertained to Baze and Chirrut, since I was still unclear why they even tagged along in the first place. But even then, Chirrut at least showed he had a sense of humor. {Spoiler}Well, Chirrut was a monk whose holy city had been desecrated and then destroyed by the Empire, and you can infer from their interactions that he and Baze are close as brothers. The absence of action by the Alliance in wanting to stop the Death Star seems fair motivation for tagging along in the third act. Obviously not wanting to die on Jedha is motivation for tagging along in the first place. Otherwise, I expected little from everyone else since: 1: The entire movie took place during a war, and it made sense for everyone to basically be grumpy 2: With so much going in in a short amount of time, you couldn't really expect there to be a lot of focus on character development One of the things I learned in creative writing class at college was when character development is either unnecessary (such as for minor characters) or unfeasible (such as for length restrictions) you should at least give each character a sense of personality and motivation. I feel there was at least enough of both in the supporting characters for Rogue One to adequately support the story. |
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Dec 22, 2016 23:32:28 GMT -5
Some of you may recall a couple Star Wars-related threads I started over the last couple years. Basically, I was encouraging all of you to use the films as analogies to describe items that fall within given categories. They were as follows: Star Wars: Most culturally and historically significant Empire Strikes Back: Closest to perfection Return of the Jedi: Imperfect, but lots of fun The Phantom Menace: Fails to live up to hype Attack of the Clones: Just sorta there Revenge of the Sith: Passable with a decent finale Prior to being released, The Force Awakens was seen as an attempt to return to old glory, but I'm not sure if that still stands now. What do you all think of Rogue One? It seems like the Disney movies, as American-made commodities for global consumption, are rethinking the cultural hegemony that is expressed via whiteness, masculinity, and heteronormativity given the leads of the films so far. The protagonists of these films do not neatly fit into these categories--Rey, Finn, Poe Dameron, Jyn Erso, Chirrut Imwe, Baze Malbus, etc. The antagonists exemplify the conclusion and re-invigoration of the same cultural hegemony (Darth Vader as the old guard, Kylo Ren as the new blood). However, Disney is trying to make the Star Wars brand great again, especially after the rejection of the prequel trilogy. For Disney to be successful at this means that the company has to tackle 'Star Wars' as a cultural marker through a nostalgic lens--The Force Awakens draws heavily from the narrative structure of A New Hope; and where Rogue One ends A New Hope literally begins. People want something new, but also something that is incredibly familiar. So it's weird, because the Disney films are both socially progressive and economically conservative. These films are both post-modern and post-post-modern. But I don't think these films are not equally these things? |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 25, 2016 6:38:28 GMT -5
This film was amazing
This felt to me more like a Star Wars film than TFA did.
The CGI face Tarkin I have absolutely no idea how it was that good.
Also as for... Other CGI face... Apparently wasn't on set. That was all computer magic somehow.
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Post by Fade on Dec 25, 2016 15:28:19 GMT -5
Some of you may recall a couple Star Wars-related threads I started over the last couple years. Basically, I was encouraging all of you to use the films as analogies to describe items that fall within given categories. They were as follows: Star Wars: Most culturally and historically significant Empire Strikes Back: Closest to perfection Return of the Jedi: Imperfect, but lots of fun The Phantom Menace: Fails to live up to hype Attack of the Clones: Just sorta there Revenge of the Sith: Passable with a decent finale Prior to being released, The Force Awakens was seen as an attempt to return to old glory, but I'm not sure if that still stands now. What do you all think of Rogue One? The Marvelization of Star Wars. Or expanding of it. To make sure it now outlives all of us. Stories for yeeeeeeeaaars This film was amazing This felt to me more like a Star Wars film than TFA did. The CGI face Tarkin I have absolutely no idea how it was that good. Also as for... Other CGI face... Apparently wasn't on set. That was all computer magic somehow. Are you sure? That was all CGI?! Could of sworn...that character...at least had a physical stand in. I agree about Tarkin too. Crazy technology. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 25, 2016 15:54:40 GMT -5
This film was amazing This felt to me more like a Star Wars film than TFA did. The CGI face Tarkin I have absolutely no idea how it was that good. Also as for... Other CGI face... Apparently wasn't on set. That was all computer magic somehow. Are you sure? That was all CGI?! Could of sworn...that character...at least had a physical stand in. I agree about Tarkin too. Crazy technology. {Spoiler}Actress Ingvild Deila is credited as young Leia, so... |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 25, 2016 18:56:02 GMT -5
Also I loved Vader's pun. It's consistent with his dark sense of humor in the original trilogy.
Vader would totally make dad jokes to his kids if he was given the opportunity. Evil dad jokes.
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Post by Fade on Dec 25, 2016 20:25:17 GMT -5
Also I loved Vader's pun. It's consistent with his dark sense of humor in the original trilogy. Vader would totally make dad jokes to his kids if he was given the opportunity. Evil dad jokes. He's good at that sith. |
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Post by Shark on Dec 25, 2016 22:35:38 GMT -5
Also I loved Vader's pun. It's consistent with his dark sense of humor in the original trilogy. Vader would totally make dad jokes to his kids if he was given the opportunity. Evil dad jokes. Even before he became Vader, Anakin made a fair amount of quips at his enemy's expense. Dooku told him he never learned and Anakin said he's a slow learner. Grevious says he expected someone like Anakin to be older and Anakin fires back that he expected Grevious to be taller. As I said in a post earlier, Anakin/Vader has always been a sassy little cuss. |
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 25, 2016 23:24:02 GMT -5
Grevious says he expected someone like Anakin to be older There is a character that would benefit greatly from a reboot. In the Star Wars villains rankings, he's up there in the Darth Vader, Tarkin, Jabba tier for me. Uber mark for that guy. You have to watch the Gendy Tartakovsky Clone Wars series in order to see why. It also explains why he appears to be such a "chump" in Episode III. (No full spoiler, but that Clone Wars sequence alone leading up to Episode III does more for one prequel character than the entire prequel trilogy combined does. I'm marking out just thinking of it.) The most formidable foe outside of the Emperor and Vader that the Empire has, and I believe he'd even give Vader a more than terrific fight/probably won (and no, not Hayden Christiansen, the "real" Vader). I like to think that may have been the direction Anakin was heading in the "more machine than man" allusion. Whereas I've mentioned that I only view the prequels as just cheap docudrama renditions like those poorly made murder mystery reenactment shows, the animated Tartakovsky Clone Wars are a canonical history like an Encyclopedia Brittanica complementary hologram DVD one might find in the Library of Ossus. |
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 25, 2016 23:31:47 GMT -5
Grevious says he expected someone like Anakin to be older There is a character that would benefit greatly from a reboot. In the Star Wars villains rankings, he's up there in the Darth Vader, Tarkin, Jabba tier for me. Uber mark for that guy. You have to watch the Gendy Tartakovsky Clone Wars series in order to see why. It also explains why he appears to be such a "chump" in Episode III. (No full spoiler, but that Clone Wars sequence alone leading up to Episode III does more for one prequel character than the entire prequel trilogy combined does. I'm marking out just thinking of it.) The most formidable foe outside of the Emperor and Vader that the Empire has, and I believe he'd even give Vader a more than terrific fight/probably won (and no, not Hayden Christiansen, the "real" Vader). I like to think that may have been the direction Anakin was heading in the "more machine than man" allusion. Interestingly, and I learned this from random browsing on YouTube...apparently in canon materials some people thought that Vader was simply an upgraded form of Grievous if they knew both of them. |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 26, 2016 1:01:45 GMT -5
Also, having watched it a second time earlier today, I noticed some neat little easter eggs. {Spoiler}Like the Ghost from Star Wars: Rebels, or a VCX-100 class of light freighter to which the Ghost belongs to, was part of the Rebel fleet at the Battle of Scarif. There was also a PA call at the Rebel base for a "General Syndulla" and Dave Filoni confirmed it was indeed referring to Hera. You can also make out Chopper rolling along in the Yavin IV base. The Hammerhead ship was also a nice nod to Rebels, which in turn was itself a nod to the KOTOR/SWTOR design of capital ship.
Also, I was amused by two of the Stormtroopers talking about the obsolete T-15 Skyhopper with the new T-16 coming out. |
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Post by thetower52 on Dec 26, 2016 2:03:14 GMT -5
Saw it today f***ing loved it.
It started a bit messy but it sure as f*** picked up.
The last part with Vader holy shit
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 26, 2016 11:58:59 GMT -5
I'm hoping more dead actors are brought back via CGI.
Sebastian Shaw can appear as Force ghost to Kylo Ren, trying to convince him to turn to the light side.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Dec 26, 2016 17:41:03 GMT -5
Finally got to see it today.
Wow, Vader at the end. All I have to say is it was all worth it. All the Jar Jar Binks. The Ewok teddy bear party at the end of Jedi. The total lack of Portman/Christensen chemistry. All the special editions. The "NOOOOOOO", from Vader. The brother and sister deep mouth kissing.
It was ALL WORTH IT to see Vader unleashed at the end. That was awesome!
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