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Post by wisdomwizard on Mar 31, 2016 10:22:52 GMT -5
A social justice warrior isn't just someone that wants equality or express social progressive view points it's someone that engages in lengthy and hostile debate over those issues. The Keyword there beign hostile. And that's the simplest way to put in. Anymore questions be free to PM. I'm alright, to me it just sounds like right wing propaganda to make anyone with left wing viewpoints seem irrational or a killjoy. Well, its not because they go after anyone, even liberal people for not agreeing with them on everything like Bill Mahar or Tina Fey.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 31, 2016 10:26:42 GMT -5
Yeah, drop this line of conversation.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 31, 2016 10:29:05 GMT -5
I appreciate the term "SJW" because it's usually a giveaway that the person using the term unironically is someone whose opinion isn't worth listening to.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Mar 31, 2016 10:29:25 GMT -5
In my books, Gamergate is a bunch of shite. However, I've seen multiple bits of evidence that she's supportive of paedophilia and child porn. Obviously, that's an extremely bad thing for anyone, but when you work for such a family friendly company like Nintendo? Yeah, they're gonna cut the cord ASAP. Anyway, ![](https://i.imgur.com/mud03Ze.gif)
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Post by wisdomwizard on Mar 31, 2016 10:31:09 GMT -5
I appreciate the term "SJW" because it's usually a giveaway that the person using the term unironically is someone whose opinion isn't worth listening to. Does that extend to people who identify themselves prominently on Twitter as such?
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Post by Cyno on Mar 31, 2016 10:33:16 GMT -5
Yes, mostly because they're on Twitter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 10:43:38 GMT -5
I think most people dislike the concept of SJW's because some of them arent out to help others have a better understanding of other people, they just shout other people down to make themselves look better
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 31, 2016 10:59:51 GMT -5
I need to post here more often, haha. Anyway, I've heard about this story and it fascinates me to no end for a number of reasons.
Firstly, her views. If there's one thing I hate, it's cultural relativism in any sense. Cultures and traditions of a society, if they are bad and they can be shown to be bad, are bad. Period. And defence of them because they are simply apart of a culture is bad reasoning and a bad excuse to do bad things. Bad bad bad. And this goes with culture in North American, Europe, Middle East, Asia, South America, anywhere on the planet.
Secondly, the harassment. Basically, a woman in gaming gets harassed by guys online. In other news sadly, water is wet, the pope is catholic, bears shit in the woods and those same people who harass bitch about being called out for their harassment. Gamer gate people honestly have no real moral ground to stand on and at this point are just angry youtube commenters in their dialogue. Apparently a lot of this woman's bullshit beliefs were actually hunted down because, you know, a feminist in gaming, f*** her. So, it's a whole situation where everyone looks like an asshole.
And thirdly, apparently she was fired for moonlighting at another job, which means that her complaints about her firing were unfounded, and the mission accomplished feeling that I see from some gamer gate people is also for not because Nintendo didn't give a f*** about what they had to say.
In regards to the SJW line, I hear that so much and I guess I've been on reddit a lot more and maybe I should get off there. I used to think it was a decent insult to call someone a social justice warrior because there are some obnoxious people out there. They are so pushy with their beliefs and instead of talking over why they're right or issues with social justice, they can be assholes about it. The problem is, the term social justice warrior has quickly turned into, people who care about social justice. And people who don't care about social justice in some sense have their own problems to deal with and aren't people I want to be around.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 31, 2016 11:09:47 GMT -5
I appreciate the term "SJW" because it's usually a giveaway that the person using the term unironically is someone whose opinion isn't worth listening to. You know I'm fairly on the fence about this stuff. I can fully understand people wanting better representation in games. I also feel like ethics in game journalism should be considered. Yet all terms like "SJW" and the vitriol thrown back and forth by both sides do is separate us into sides. Rarely does one side listen to complaints of the other. They're more interested in discrediting the other side. Labels are thrown around and nothing changes. The one thing I'm certain of: there is no place for me in either community if they support the violence, sexism, racism or invasion of privacy that has occurred. An earlier poster was talking about "being too old for this shit" and I found myself agreeing most with that. It used to be a community of gamers. Now I feel like we've split into two sides with different politics as so many other things have become nowadays.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 31, 2016 12:09:07 GMT -5
'What's wrong with a microwave?? It's just another tool to cook with- just like an oven or a grill'-Marco Pierre White (Q magazine) A social justice warrior isn't just someone that wants equality or express social progressive view points it's someone that engages in lengthy and hostile debate over those issues. The Keyword there beign hostile. And that's the simplest way to put in. Anymore questions be free to PM. Except we're at the point where that's simply not the case. Be polite or be hostile, people will call you an SJW if you speak up about oppression or diversity, regardless of whether it's a general case or intensely personal. There's no nuance. It's not like the likes of 4chan are going to say "Right, well, that person was fairly polite, we'll call them a Social Justice Mage instead." Recently the British media has had an absolute crusade against a student who simply didn't want to be on the same panel as someone who supported noted transphobic commentators, and that apparently makes her an evil SJW out to destroy the very concept of free speech. They've lapped up the term into the mainstream, and it's still a meaningless term. And heck, nobody's calling the reactionaries out there "Injustice Warriors". Pity, because it sounds like a Rob Liefeld comic in the making.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 31, 2016 12:13:41 GMT -5
A social justice warrior isn't just someone that wants equality or express social progressive view points it's someone that engages in lengthy and hostile debate over those issues. The Keyword there beign hostile. And that's the simplest way to put in. Anymore questions be free to PM. Except we're at the point where that's simply not the case. Be polite or be hostile, people will call you an SJW if you speak up about oppression or diversity, regardless of whether it's a general case or intensely personal. There's no nuance. It's not like the likes of 4chan are going to say "Right, well, that person was fairly polite, we'll call them a Social Justice Mage instead." Recently the British media has had an absolute crusade against a student who simply didn't want to be on the same panel as someone who supported noted transphobic commentators, and that apparently makes her an evil SJW out to destroy the very concept of free speech. They've lapped up the term into the mainstream, and it's still a meaningless term. And heck, nobody's calling the reactionaries out there "Injustice Warriors". Pity, because it sounds like a Rob Liefeld comic in the making. ... how has there not been a supervillain team or comic called Injustice Warriors ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 12:21:59 GMT -5
Every generation has a great war story to tell their children and grandchildren. Our grandpa's and great grandpa's told war stories of World War 1 and 2 and The Korean War. Our grandpa's and fathers told stories of Vietnam. Currently young father's are telling us stories about Bosnia, Gulf War, Afghanistan, and Iraq. We will tell war stories to our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren about GamerGate and how we slayed a bunch of Neckbeards or Social Justice Warriors depending on which side you fought on. Anita Sarkeesian rode in on the DX tank Kotaku and the evil gamers closed the very next day Was that before or after gamergate hired hulk hogan to kill Gawker.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 31, 2016 12:25:31 GMT -5
Anita Sarkeesian rode in on the DX tank Kotaku and the evil gamers closed the very next day Was that before or after gamergate hired hulk hogan to kill Gawker. Can't wait for Hogan vs Anita
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Mar 31, 2016 13:01:11 GMT -5
The tweety isn't showing up for me. What's it say? "Alison Rapp was terminated due to violation of an internal company policy involving holding a second job in conflict with Nintendo’s corporate culture. Though Ms. Rapp’s termination follows her being the subject of criticism from certain groups via social media several weeks ago, the two are absolutely not related. Nintendo is a company committed to fostering inclusion and diversity in both our company and the broader video game industry and we firmly reject the harassment of individuals based on gender, race or personal beliefs. We wish Ms. Rapp well in her future endeavors." And yes, they did 'future endeavor' her *Gives big dumb ass grin and thumbs up to the camera* Nintendo Power!
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Post by Cyno on Mar 31, 2016 13:15:20 GMT -5
A social justice warrior isn't just someone that wants equality or express social progressive view points it's someone that engages in lengthy and hostile debate over those issues. The Keyword there beign hostile. And that's the simplest way to put in. Anymore questions be free to PM. Except we're at the point where that's simply not the case. Be polite or be hostile, people will call you an SJW if you speak up about oppression or diversity, regardless of whether it's a general case or intensely personal. There's no nuance. It's not like the likes of 4chan are going to say "Right, well, that person was fairly polite, we'll call them a Social Justice Mage instead." Recently the British media has had an absolute crusade against a student who simply didn't want to be on the same panel as someone who supported noted transphobic commentators, and that apparently makes her an evil SJW out to destroy the very concept of free speech. They've lapped up the term into the mainstream, and it's still a meaningless term. And heck, nobody's calling the reactionaries out there "Injustice Warriors". Pity, because it sounds like a Rob Liefeld comic in the making. I've seen the term "status quo warrior/SQW" floating about for the reactionary people. I find it amusing personally.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 31, 2016 13:18:14 GMT -5
And we're done here. Topic was covered more or less in the first 2-3 pages, now it's just people talking about why they hate others. Not here.
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