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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 27, 2017 3:47:31 GMT -5
I still don't see the point of movie critics. Everyone has different tastes, so it seems redundant for a single person to try and review something for a mass group of people who all have different ideas.
That being said, critics are a part of the industry. If an actor/director/whoever gets personally bothered by bad reviews, they're probably in the wrong line of work.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 3:56:16 GMT -5
I can definitely understand why Rock is frustrated. There's always going to be these comedies where they won't generally get great critical scores yet the audiences love them. Look at both Grown Ups movies where they got awful reviews from critics, but made a shitload of money. At the end of the day, you can't rely entirely on what professional movie critics say if you're wanting real perspectives; user reviews matter too. Now, when it's something like Dawn of Justice where both critics and users hated it, it's much simpler. But Dawn of Justice made a shitload of money too. It was going to make a ton of money because it's Batman and Superman. Like the movie could of been Batman and Superman sitting in a cafe sipping tea for three hours and it would of made bank. Problem was other Batman movies of the past made more and had one of the biggest drops from one of the biggest openings ever. A movie with Batman and Superman should of been making Avengers/Star Wars levels of money. |
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Post by ayumidah on May 27, 2017 4:30:33 GMT -5
Yeah I'm sure Toothfairy and the like were loved by critics.
Calm down, Dwayne.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 27, 2017 6:04:06 GMT -5
The Rock thought this movie would be cooler than some people think it is. He obviously wants people to see it and he doesn't want to lose his box office draw appeal. I get it. Everybody ends up in a stinker at one point or another. He's got enough movies coming out that even if this one bombs he'll be able to bounce back. Best of luck to him but I can wait until it comes to cable.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 6:22:44 GMT -5
I love how whenever movies get bad reviews, its always those mean, curmudgeony writers who must hate everything, gosh darn it! Not to insult, but the average person is an idiot. As Mr. Burns put it, you just slap on a pair of oversize breasts & a happy ending, and they'll come back oinking for more. That's a rather unfair and dismissive comment to make about moviegoers. Its part of my general misanthropy & dislike of cinema altogether. But, while critics have trappings and aren't perfect, it is always so lazy to blame everything wrong with a movie on the critics. Bad script? It was the critics! Poor acting choices? Critics! Director not making sense? You guessed it; critics! If anything, I have a lot of respect for critics because of all the crap & shade that gets thrown their way just for having an opinion. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 27, 2017 8:06:42 GMT -5
How do you make a comedy out of a show that was a joke to begin with?
Should have done something serious like 'Baywatch Nights' instead
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Post by Tom Turkey on May 27, 2017 8:08:43 GMT -5
How do you make a comedy out of a show that was a joke to begin with? Should have done something serious like 'Baywatch Nights' instead I imagine that will be the sequel if this makes big money. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 8:23:40 GMT -5
I can understand a guy being bothered by something by which they've bought into, worked really hard and getting dumped on for it, but that's entertainment for you.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on May 27, 2017 8:25:06 GMT -5
That's a rather unfair and dismissive comment to make about moviegoers. Its part of my general misanthropy & dislike of cinema altogether. But, while critics have trappings and aren't perfect, it is always so lazy to blame everything wrong with a movie on the critics. Bad script? It was the critics! Poor acting choices? Critics! Director not making sense? You guessed it; critics! If anything, I have a lot of respect for critics because of all the crap & shade that gets thrown their way just for having an opinion. That's still not a good reason to brand people as stupid for enjoying a harmless movie, regardless of how critics feel about it. |
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Post by agent817 on May 27, 2017 8:56:10 GMT -5
I love how whenever movies get bad reviews, its always those mean, curmudgeony writers who must hate everything, gosh darn it! Not to insult, but the average person is an idiot. As Mr. Burns put it, you just slap on a pair of oversize breasts & a happy ending, and they'll come back oinking for more. That's a rather unfair and dismissive comment to make about moviegoers. Tell that to all of those so-called more "intelligent" moviegoers all over social media, who act like they are superior or above seeing the latest movie because they aim for the "lowest common denominator." |
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Post by Welfare Willis on May 27, 2017 10:09:56 GMT -5
Alexandria Daddario is hot. That being said I already know about True Detective so I will not be watching Baywatch.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 27, 2017 10:31:10 GMT -5
I still don't see the point of movie critics. Everyone has different tastes, so it seems redundant for a single person to try and review something for a mass group of people who all have different ideas. That being said, critics are a part of the industry. If an actor/director/whoever gets personally bothered by bad reviews, they're probably in the wrong line of work. without getting into an essay length rant on the subject I'll say that at its best criticism inspires artists to do better and makes audiences really think about what they're viewing (be it a movie, book, portrait etc). it's something we all do but it's important for people to articulate why something does or doesn't work. and in the film industry it can also encourage people to see something great that may be overlooked otherwise or get people to save their money/time by not watching something that they wouldn't enjoy if they did go see it. |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on May 27, 2017 10:41:30 GMT -5
OT, but I have never seen a trailer for any The Rock movie and have thought anything other than "That looks fxxxing awful."
I'm one of the few (I'd assume based on his Highest Paid/Earning whatever) that has never ever seen one of his movies, and have zero desire to ever change that. Like to love him as a wrestler. Don't give one single shit about him as an actor.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 11:03:28 GMT -5
I still don't see the point of movie critics. Everyone has different tastes, so it seems redundant for a single person to try and review something for a mass group of people who all have different ideas. That being said, critics are a part of the industry. If an actor/director/whoever gets personally bothered by bad reviews, they're probably in the wrong line of work. Film criticism used to be done by people who actually understood the various aspects of filmmaking and generally understood the creative process. From what I've seen now it's largely people complaining the film wasn't made specifically to their tastes and/or isn't similar enough to something else in the same genre. Especially with superhero movies or sequels. Before, if something was more interesting/original/different than what came before it was given more of a chance. Now reviewers seem to crave uniformity across a "brand" and assessing it's place in the overall franchise rather than actually analyzing the director's intent/vision. An aspect of film criticism I enjoy is when a lesser-known film is reviewed. I mean, one of several thousand reviews of the next Marvel film is basically pointless, but highlighting a film that doesn't have a multimillion dollar marketing budget is actually useful to me. The most pathetic part of modern film criticism is the oh-so coveted RT score. A percentage that indicates how generic a film is, yet for some reason is held up as the gold standard for makes a "good movie." Reducing an entire creative work and someone's assessment of it to a percentage based on an insipid binary distinction is a joke. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 11:57:08 GMT -5
Its part of my general misanthropy & dislike of cinema altogether. But, while critics have trappings and aren't perfect, it is always so lazy to blame everything wrong with a movie on the critics. Bad script? It was the critics! Poor acting choices? Critics! Director not making sense? You guessed it; critics! If anything, I have a lot of respect for critics because of all the crap & shade that gets thrown their way just for having an opinion. That's still not a good reason to brand people as stupid for enjoying a harmless movie, regardless of how critics feel about it. Again. Misanthrope. That is just my way of thinking. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 27, 2017 11:59:51 GMT -5
Well, apparently it's set to bomb pretty hard...only made $6 million on Friday night. So I guess the fans didn't really love it that much, either. You made a bad movie, Rock. It's ok. All actors do. Well, except John Cazale but you don't want to end up like him. Poor John Cazale. RIP, buddy.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on May 27, 2017 12:05:03 GMT -5
I still don't see the point of movie critics. Everyone has different tastes, so it seems redundant for a single person to try and review something for a mass group of people who all have different ideas. That being said, critics are a part of the industry. If an actor/director/whoever gets personally bothered by bad reviews, they're probably in the wrong line of work. without getting into an essay length rant on the subject I'll say that at its best criticism inspires artists to do better and makes audiences really think about what they're viewing (be it a movie, book, portrait etc). it's something we all do but it's important for people to articulate why something does or doesn't work. and in the film industry it can also encourage people to see something great that may be overlooked otherwise or get people to save their money/time by not watching something that they wouldn't enjoy if they did go see it. Well, that and it's enjoyable and cathartic to discuss and analyze what worked for them in a film and what didn't. Stuff like how a work of art made them feel and how well they felt a story was crafted, what were its messages and themes, etc. At least that's how it is for me when I write reviews for stuff. But that said, I don't think critics or the general public should be ridiculed for their opinions. Critics are part of the general public, and the general public are frequently critical of things. I don't see that big of a distinction between the two "sides". |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 27, 2017 12:29:47 GMT -5
without getting into an essay length rant on the subject I'll say that at its best criticism inspires artists to do better and makes audiences really think about what they're viewing (be it a movie, book, portrait etc). it's something we all do but it's important for people to articulate why something does or doesn't work. and in the film industry it can also encourage people to see something great that may be overlooked otherwise or get people to save their money/time by not watching something that they wouldn't enjoy if they did go see it. Well, that and it's enjoyable and cathartic to discuss and analyze what worked for them in a film and what didn't. Stuff like how a work of art made them feel and how well they felt a story was crafted, what were its messages and themes, etc. At least that's how it is for me when I write reviews for stuff. But that said, I don't think critics or the general public should be ridiculed for their opinions. Critics are part of the general public, and the general public are frequently critical of things. I don't see that big of a distinction between the two "sides". I think that's really an important note. critics don't exist apart from the general public, they're part of it. acting like they're some weird alien illuminati seperate from what "real people" want is just some weird hollywood defense mechanism. |
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Post by chrom on May 27, 2017 12:46:10 GMT -5
Calm down Rock, not every movie's gonna be gold. Even Tom Hanks had some bad ones.
Sorry but Baywatch just doesn't appeal to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 12:52:11 GMT -5
Well, that and it's enjoyable and cathartic to discuss and analyze what worked for them in a film and what didn't. Stuff like how a work of art made them feel and how well they felt a story was crafted, what were its messages and themes, etc. At least that's how it is for me when I write reviews for stuff. But that said, I don't think critics or the general public should be ridiculed for their opinions. Critics are part of the general public, and the general public are frequently critical of things. I don't see that big of a distinction between the two "sides". I think that's really an important note. critics don't exist apart from the general public, they're part of it. acting like they're some weird alien illuminati seperate from what "real people" want is just some weird hollywood defense mechanism. Hyperbole aside, there is a difference between how the general public approaches viewing a movie and how a movie critic approaches viewing a movie. Critics should be more analytical and discerning right? Whereas the general public has the option just to kick back and "enjoy the ride." Critics will often be disconnected from the general public for a variety of reasons - it's a common occurrence in any medium. It's the same reason an art critic will see a white canvas with one red horizontal stripe and see a nuanced genius at work whereas someone like me will go, "It's a f***ing red line. Who cares?" |
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