Michael Elgin sells Glory Pro

[Gus Richlen: Ruffian]

And I WAS an Elgin fan, too.

Mr. Jericho, if you would?



Thank you.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 10, 2017 12:03:37 GMT -5 Gus Richlen: Ruffian said:

And I WAS an Elgin fan, too.

Mr. Jericho, if you would?



Thank you.

I too was a fan of Elgin, but this is just another confirmation that he's a scumbag. In the high spots shoot with Steen, that Elgin said he pissed on a woman and talked about it like it was normal.

Elgin should've been a bigger deal in wrestling but it seems like mentally he's not all there. I wouldn't be surprised if more shit about him gets exposed.

[Alice Syndrome]

2017: The year douchebags are cancelled.

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Be interesting to see how NJPW handle this. Elgin is their clear number 2 gaijin after Omega, and he's just super over with the crowd. However, he's not,in a irreplaceable position and you could build Cobb to take a similar role. At the same time no actual charges have been placed against Elgin. Yet he also isn't involved in any major programs currently.

And having said all that, f*** Elgin.

[chazraps]

Dec 10, 2017 17:24:51 GMT -5 @flaminghalo said:

Be interesting to see how NJPW handle this. Elgin is their clear number 2 gaijin after Omega, and he's just super over with the crowd. However, he's not,in a irreplaceable position and you could build Cobb to take a similar role. At the same time no actual charges have been placed against Elgin. Yet he also isn't involved in any major programs currently.

And having said all that, f*** Elgin.

I mean, first and foremost Japan does not want drama, and this is a dumptruck of drama, so I can see them cutting Elgin completely and instantly.

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Dec 10, 2017 17:24:51 GMT -5 @flaminghalo said:

Be interesting to see how NJPW handle this. Elgin is their clear number 2 gaijin after Omega, and he's just super over with the crowd. However, he's not,in a irreplaceable position and you could build Cobb to take a similar role. At the same time no actual charges have been placed against Elgin. Yet he also isn't involved in any major programs currently.

And having said all that, f*** Elgin.

It's always hard to say with wrestling, wrestlers aren't always the best in these scenarios. There's still guys like Rob Feinstein who was caught trying to court an underage girl and yet he's still a go-to guy for interviews. The timing of everything seems bad for Elgin, I'm a fan of his wrestling, but even before this I felt like he had to be a little uneasy about Jeff Cobb coming in, because he seems like a guy who'd be a big threat to Elgin's position, scandal or not.

I will say I had a laugh at Elgin's "are we gonna talk about wrestling or not?" attitude in those exchanges, gave off a real "bad boy at recess" kind of vibe.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

I wish social media existed decades ago, so garbage like Grizzly Smith and Snuka wouldn't be able to find employment.

[FHgrad99]

Michael Elgin is depriving a village somewhere of it's idiot.

[Reflecto]

Dec 10, 2017 19:56:57 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Dec 10, 2017 17:24:51 GMT -5 @flaminghalo said:

Be interesting to see how NJPW handle this. Elgin is their clear number 2 gaijin after Omega, and he's just super over with the crowd. However, he's not,in a irreplaceable position and you could build Cobb to take a similar role. At the same time no actual charges have been placed against Elgin. Yet he also isn't involved in any major programs currently.

And having said all that, f*** Elgin.

I mean, first and foremost Japan does not want drama, and this is a dumptruck of drama, so I can see them cutting Elgin completely and instantly.

But at the same time, New Japan just brought Callihan in and welcomed Honma back after domestic violence issues, and Elgin is being a world-class asshole, but he hasn't done anything illegal...and the only "drama" based thing you can get Elgin for conclusively is "he cheated on his wife".

Japan doesn't want drama, but the only thing Elgin has done is basically "be a douchebag", and that's not enough to make it likely Elgin is cut completely and instantly.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 11, 2017 3:35:01 GMT -5 Reflecto said:

Dec 10, 2017 19:56:57 GMT -5 chazraps said:

I mean, first and foremost Japan does not want drama, and this is a dumptruck of drama, so I can see them cutting Elgin completely and instantly.

But at the same time, New Japan just brought Callihan in and welcomed Honma back after domestic violence issues, and Elgin is being a world-class asshole, but he hasn't done anything illegal...and the only "drama" based thing you can get Elgin for conclusively is "he cheated on his wife".

Japan doesn't want drama, but the only thing Elgin has done is basically "be a douchebag", and that's not enough to make it likely Elgin is cut completely and instantly.

Wait Callihan did something? Only thing I know that might cause him problems is his racist piece of shit girlfriend Havok, don't know if they're still together or not though.

[corndog]

Dec 11, 2017 7:56:57 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 11, 2017 3:35:01 GMT -5 Reflecto said:

But at the same time, New Japan just brought Callihan in and welcomed Honma back after domestic violence issues, and Elgin is being a world-class asshole, but he hasn't done anything illegal...and the only "drama" based thing you can get Elgin for conclusively is "he cheated on his wife".

Japan doesn't want drama, but the only thing Elgin has done is basically "be a douchebag", and that's not enough to make it likely Elgin is cut completely and instantly.

Wait Callihan did something? Only thing I know that might cause him problems is his racist piece of shit girlfriend Havok, don't know if they're still together or not though.

Callihan's ex-girlfriend, not Havok, accused Callihan of abusing her and then deleted everything she said on Twitter. Outside of her accusations, there wasn't any real proof either way. Not saying he didn't do it, but there isn't enough to say he did. It wasn't like the Rich Swann situation.

[corndog]

Dec 11, 2017 3:35:01 GMT -5 Reflecto said:

Dec 10, 2017 19:56:57 GMT -5 chazraps said:

I mean, first and foremost Japan does not want drama, and this is a dumptruck of drama, so I can see them cutting Elgin completely and instantly.

But at the same time, New Japan just brought Callihan in and welcomed Honma back after domestic violence issues, and Elgin is being a world-class asshole, but he hasn't done anything illegal...and the only "drama" based thing you can get Elgin for conclusively is "he cheated on his wife".

Japan doesn't want drama, but the only thing Elgin has done is basically "be a douchebag", and that's not enough to make it likely Elgin is cut completely and instantly.

Elgin cheating on his wife isn't the only drama. He admitted he was going to keep Cobb from getting booked in New Japan again, his politics with Cobb were completely exposed. Basically he said that he(and Omega) runs shit for the gaijins and I am sure Gedo loves to see that.

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Jeff Cobb would toss Elgin like a sack of potatoes, so I'm not sure that's the road Elgin wants to go down.

Besides, does he not know what Matanza does to people? ;-)

[Feargus McReddit]

Dec 11, 2017 10:58:09 GMT -5 @hedm2005 said:

Jeff Cobb would toss Elgin like a sack of potatoes, so I'm not sure that's the road Elgin wants to go down.

Besides, does he not know what Matanza does to people? ;-)

I don’t think Cobb’s that much of a cruel man to call his friend Matanza on him.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 11, 2017 10:17:37 GMT -5 corndog said:

Dec 11, 2017 7:56:57 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Wait Callihan did something? Only thing I know that might cause him problems is his racist piece of shit girlfriend Havok, don't know if they're still together or not though.

Callihan's ex-girlfriend, not Havok, accused Callihan of abusing her and then deleted everything she said on Twitter. Outside of her accusations, there wasn't any real proof either way. Not saying he didn't do it, but there isn't enough to say he did. It wasn't like the Rich Swann situation.

I've followed his career since his first aow appearance, and Callihan's life has been difficult to say the least, but the accusation changes how I feel about him.

[corndog]

Dec 11, 2017 11:21:12 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 11, 2017 10:17:37 GMT -5 corndog said:

Callihan's ex-girlfriend, not Havok, accused Callihan of abusing her and then deleted everything she said on Twitter. Outside of her accusations, there wasn't any real proof either way. Not saying he didn't do it, but there isn't enough to say he did. It wasn't like the Rich Swann situation.

I've followed his career since his first aow appearance, and Callihan's life has been difficult to say the least, but the accusation changes how I feel about him.

It's really hard for me to form an opinion based on what an ex-girlfriend says with no evidence at all. I've seen both sides of domestic abuse. I had a close family member in an abusive relationship that ended with him finally being charged and thankfully they stayed apart. I also have a close personal friend that was falsely accused by his crazy girlfriend that actually would physically attack him. She was also the type that would make accusations about him on social media. So really, an ex-girlfriend making accusations on social media means absolutely nothing to me(ironic considering the thread, but the issue with Elgin is more of what a douche he is rather than the initial accusations). Besides that, I could see Sami attracting the crazy type. Although, yes it would be sad and I would lose all respect for Sami, if it actually happened.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 11, 2017 12:33:55 GMT -5 corndog said:

Dec 11, 2017 11:21:12 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

I've followed his career since his first aow appearance, and Callihan's life has been difficult to say the least, but the accusation changes how I feel about him.

It's really hard for me to form an opinion based on what an ex-girlfriend says with no evidence at all. I've seen both sides of domestic abuse. I had a close family member in an abusive relationship that ended with him finally being charged and thankfully they stayed apart. I also have a close personal friend that was falsely accused by his crazy girlfriend that actually would physically attack him. She was also the type that would make accusations about him on social media. So really, an ex-girlfriend making accusations on social media means absolutely nothing to me(ironic considering the thread, but the issue with Elgin is more of what a douche he is rather than the initial accusations). Besides that, I could see Sami attracting the crazy type. Although, yes it would be sad and I would lose all respect for Sami, if it actually happened.

I'm sorry about your family member.

Now regarding Callihan, there needs to be more to the story that either clears him or condemns him. Because if it's true then I hope his career dies.

[HMARK Center]

Dec 11, 2017 10:19:50 GMT -5 corndog said:

Dec 11, 2017 3:35:01 GMT -5 Reflecto said:

But at the same time, New Japan just brought Callihan in and welcomed Honma back after domestic violence issues, and Elgin is being a world-class asshole, but he hasn't done anything illegal...and the only "drama" based thing you can get Elgin for conclusively is "he cheated on his wife".

Japan doesn't want drama, but the only thing Elgin has done is basically "be a douchebag", and that's not enough to make it likely Elgin is cut completely and instantly.

Elgin cheating on his wife isn't the only drama. He admitted he was going to keep Cobb from getting booked in New Japan again, his politics with Cobb were completely exposed. Basically he said that he(and Omega) runs shit for the gaijins and I am sure Gedo loves to see that.

That's the key: NJPW clearly has a tolerance level for things like wrestlers cheating on spouses (they were in no rush to punish Shibata when his improprieties became public), and I'm frankly a bit annoyed they didn't act more on the Honma accusations but I suppose Honma's injuries made that point moot. But business practices being revealed? There's no way they'll like that.

Despite that I think Elgin is likely going to weather this with regards to his NJPW spot, but obviously his wider reputation and stateside ability to do business is taking a significant and not undeserved hit.

[Feargus McReddit]

Dec 11, 2017 12:37:42 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 11, 2017 12:33:55 GMT -5 corndog said:

It's really hard for me to form an opinion based on what an ex-girlfriend says with no evidence at all. I've seen both sides of domestic abuse. I had a close family member in an abusive relationship that ended with him finally being charged and thankfully they stayed apart. I also have a close personal friend that was falsely accused by his crazy girlfriend that actually would physically attack him. She was also the type that would make accusations about him on social media. So really, an ex-girlfriend making accusations on social media means absolutely nothing to me(ironic considering the thread, but the issue with Elgin is more of what a douche he is rather than the initial accusations). Besides that, I could see Sami attracting the crazy type. Although, yes it would be sad and I would lose all respect for Sami, if it actually happened.

I'm sorry about your family member.

Now regarding Callihan, there needs to be more to the story that either clears him or condemns him. Because if it's true then I hope his career dies.

I get what you are saying but it's probably not as easy as that.

Think of the person involved. If these accusations are true and this was a long time since she made the post, she might be brought back to those events and have a mental breakdown about it. She might just be getting over the events and just wants to move on (and I know she should go in this climate but, again, it might not be that simple). If they're not true, then she's bringing up false accusations that'll get her hounded by assholes online and also bring about a potential mental breakdown and be accused of sabotaging a career over a failed relationship.

That's not to say he didn't do anything at all or even that he did anything. But it's less up to us and more up to the person involved.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 11, 2017 13:49:33 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Dec 11, 2017 12:37:42 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

I'm sorry about your family member.

Now regarding Callihan, there needs to be more to the story that either clears him or condemns him. Because if it's true then I hope his career dies.

I get what you are saying but it's probably not as easy as that.

Think of the person involved. If these accusations are true and this was a long time since she made the post, she might be brought back to those events and have a mental breakdown about it. She might just be getting over the events and just wants to move on (and I know she should go in this climate but, again, it might not be that simple). If they're not true, then she's bringing up false accusations that'll get her hounded by assholes online and also bring about a potential mental breakdown and be accused of sabotaging a career over a failed relationship.

That's not to say he didn't do anything at all or even that he did anything. But it's less up to us and more up to the person involved.

Yes it's definitely up to the woman and her well being.

But know there's a cloud over Sami Callihan, and either he's an abuser or not, but for the time being I don't feel good about supporting him or watching his matches. I know this thread is about Elgin so I'll stop talking about Callihan.