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Post by chazraps on Dec 11, 2017 14:19:20 GMT -5
I mean, first and foremost Japan does not want drama, and this is a dumptruck of drama, so I can see them cutting Elgin completely and instantly. But at the same time, New Japan just brought Callihan in and welcomed Honma back after domestic violence issues, and Elgin is being a world-class asshole, but he hasn't done anything illegal...and the only "drama" based thing you can get Elgin for conclusively is "he cheated on his wife". Japan doesn't want drama, but the only thing Elgin has done is basically "be a douchebag", and that's not enough to make it likely Elgin is cut completely and instantly. There's the public availabity of his texts and the shaming a rape victim. That's really, really bad and considering it could be the tip of the iceberg, is something Japan historically has tried to avoid. Did Callihan have domestic violence issues? |
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Dec 11, 2017 16:05:25 GMT -5
But at the same time, New Japan just brought Callihan in and welcomed Honma back after domestic violence issues, and Elgin is being a world-class asshole, but he hasn't done anything illegal...and the only "drama" based thing you can get Elgin for conclusively is "he cheated on his wife". Japan doesn't want drama, but the only thing Elgin has done is basically "be a douchebag", and that's not enough to make it likely Elgin is cut completely and instantly. There's the public availabity of his texts and the shaming a rape victim. That's really, really bad and considering it could be the tip of the iceberg, is something Japan historically has tried to avoid. Did Callihan have domestic violence issues? I read their text screenshots from her twitter that someone posted here because I didn’t know enough of the story. I’m not sure it’s quite as bad on the victim shaming front as people have made it out to be. When I say that I mean it doesn’t sound bad enough to get him fired from his gig in NJPW. The whole thing is muddy. Elgin says she hooked up with one of his students before. Not sure if I should mention the student’s name since this is all alleged at this point. Elgin said this guy got with her before and wanted to hook up with her again. She turned him down. She claims she had bruises from the encounter. Perhaps he roughed her up because of the rejection. It’s not entirely clear. Apparently she never went to the police and complained about it to Elgin for eight months, insisting Elgin get rid of his student. Elgin called her a liar to people. I don’t think Elgin will be perceived as covering up an assault when she never went to the police about it herself. I’m not shaming her for that. Not at all. I just don’t see how it’s entirely Elgin’s responsibility. There’s a very good chance I missed something posted and someone can clear that up here if I did. She seems bent on burying Elgin and ruining his career and possibly his family. She doesn’t mention the student that she had the altercation with nearly as much. I’m not defending Elgin here. I have no idea why she kept talking to Elgin after reading those texts and seeing the way Elgin interacted with her. He sure didn’t treat her like a girlfriend if they had a relationship. I know they were just a handful of texts, so you can’t really judge whatever their relationship was, but they sure seemed toxic for each other. The thing I can see NJPW being upset about is Elgin claiming he would talk to the office about not bringing Jeff Cobb back. I could see them being offended that Elgin would try to manipulate them just because he doesn’t like Cobb personally. That’s some backstabbing petty garbage that won’t be looked upon favorably. |
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 11, 2017 17:24:11 GMT -5
But at the same time, New Japan just brought Callihan in and welcomed Honma back after domestic violence issues, and Elgin is being a world-class asshole, but he hasn't done anything illegal...and the only "drama" based thing you can get Elgin for conclusively is "he cheated on his wife". Japan doesn't want drama, but the only thing Elgin has done is basically "be a douchebag", and that's not enough to make it likely Elgin is cut completely and instantly. There's the public availabity of his texts and the shaming a rape victim. That's really, really bad and considering it could be the tip of the iceberg, is something Japan historically has tried to avoid. Did Callihan have domestic violence issues? Yeah, as said after I made the post, an ex-girlfriend accused Callihan of abusing her once, but deleted the tweets accusing him. And even then, that's the point. The public availability of his texts and his shaming a rape victim may have been really, really bad, but again: Even though it makes Elgin a douchebag and did things that are wrong, he didn't actively break the law in this instance. Elgin was absolutely a turbo-dick, but there's no law saying you can't be a turbo-dick. The worst thing for Elgin would be saying that he controls the gaijin bookings in Japan, but it's also viable him and Omega DO have a lot of power in Japan (the experienced gaijin tend to do it.) |
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Post by chazraps on Dec 11, 2017 21:45:10 GMT -5
There's the public availabity of his texts and the shaming a rape victim. That's really, really bad and considering it could be the tip of the iceberg, is something Japan historically has tried to avoid. Did Callihan have domestic violence issues? Yeah, as said after I made the post, an ex-girlfriend accused Callihan of abusing her once, but deleted the tweets accusing him. And even then, that's the point. The public availability of his texts and his shaming a rape victim may have been really, really bad, but again: Even though it makes Elgin a douchebag and did things that are wrong, he didn't actively break the law in this instance. Elgin was absolutely a turbo-dick, but there's no law saying you can't be a turbo-dick. The worst thing for Elgin would be saying that he controls the gaijin bookings in Japan, but it's also viable him and Omega DO have a lot of power in Japan (the experienced gaijin tend to do it.) Doesn't Japan frown on turbo dicks? It's the drama that comes from being a turbo dick that seems what would alienate Japan. This drama isn't going away. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 11, 2017 21:50:07 GMT -5
Yeah, as said after I made the post, an ex-girlfriend accused Callihan of abusing her once, but deleted the tweets accusing him. And even then, that's the point. The public availability of his texts and his shaming a rape victim may have been really, really bad, but again: Even though it makes Elgin a douchebag and did things that are wrong, he didn't actively break the law in this instance. Elgin was absolutely a turbo-dick, but there's no law saying you can't be a turbo-dick. The worst thing for Elgin would be saying that he controls the gaijin bookings in Japan, but it's also viable him and Omega DO have a lot of power in Japan (the experienced gaijin tend to do it.) Doesn't Japan frown on turbo dicks? It's the drama that comes from being a turbo dick that seems what would alienate Japan. This drama isn't going away. Yeah, it’s less that what Elgin said may or may not be true, it’s more that he was trying to use it to others to sabotage the talent NJPW brought in and trying to throw his dick around compared to upper management. Essentially, the fact it came OUT that he did it hurts him more than any kind of truth that Elgin might have. It’s like a supervisor acting like they’re hot crap and better than everyone and can make decisions over the boss. When the boss finds out, they’ll not exactly be pleased to hear about it, whether it’s true or not. |
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Post by corndog on Dec 11, 2017 22:12:51 GMT -5
It's really hard for me to form an opinion based on what an ex-girlfriend says with no evidence at all. I've seen both sides of domestic abuse. I had a close family member in an abusive relationship that ended with him finally being charged and thankfully they stayed apart. I also have a close personal friend that was falsely accused by his crazy girlfriend that actually would physically attack him. She was also the type that would make accusations about him on social media. So really, an ex-girlfriend making accusations on social media means absolutely nothing to me(ironic considering the thread, but the issue with Elgin is more of what a douche he is rather than the initial accusations). Besides that, I could see Sami attracting the crazy type. Although, yes it would be sad and I would lose all respect for Sami, if it actually happened. I'm sorry about your family member. Now regarding Callihan, there needs to be more to the story that either clears him or condemns him. Because if it's true then I hope his career dies. Thanks. The good news is it is over. He was arrested for domestic abuse, after a neighbor saw him hit her and was convicted. My biggest fear is she would reconcile with him, but it's been five years and she has not talked to him. As far as Callihan's deal, all I know is it was Chrissy Rivera. She tweeted about him abusing her, but later deleted the tweets. In an interview she still claimed he abused her once, but the real reason they broke up was because he was cheating. This was all I could find and it was mostly from a Squared Circle Reddit page on the subject. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 11, 2017 22:19:33 GMT -5
I'm sorry about your family member. Now regarding Callihan, there needs to be more to the story that either clears him or condemns him. Because if it's true then I hope his career dies. Thanks. The good news is it is over. He was arrested for domestic abuse, after a neighbor saw him hit her and was convicted. My biggest fear is she would reconcile with him, but it's been five years and she has not talked to him. As far as Callihan's deal, all I know is it was Chrissy Rivera. She tweeted about him abusing her, but later deleted the tweets. In an interview she still claimed he abused her once, but the real reason they broke up was because he was cheating. This was all I could find and it was mostly from a Squared Circle Reddit page on the subject. Chrissy Rivera from BLKOUT fame? I think she also managed Greg Excellent for some time. |
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Post by corndog on Dec 11, 2017 22:45:05 GMT -5
Thanks. The good news is it is over. He was arrested for domestic abuse, after a neighbor saw him hit her and was convicted. My biggest fear is she would reconcile with him, but it's been five years and she has not talked to him. As far as Callihan's deal, all I know is it was Chrissy Rivera. She tweeted about him abusing her, but later deleted the tweets. In an interview she still claimed he abused her once, but the real reason they broke up was because he was cheating. This was all I could find and it was mostly from a Squared Circle Reddit page on the subject. Chrissy Rivera from BLKOUT fame? I think she also managed Greg Excellent for some time. Yes, that Chrissy Rivera. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 11, 2017 22:51:36 GMT -5
Chrissy Rivera from BLKOUT fame? I think she also managed Greg Excellent for some time. Yes, that Chrissy Rivera. Damn I didn't know it was someone in the business. It also makes me think why would she lie about it? Bringing it up on public pretty much killed her CZW career, since Callihan is the booker there. It's brave coming out with that when the alleged abuser is in a position of power. |
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Post by 67 more on Dec 12, 2017 2:07:44 GMT -5
Yeah, as said after I made the post, an ex-girlfriend accused Callihan of abusing her once, but deleted the tweets accusing him. And even then, that's the point. The public availability of his texts and his shaming a rape victim may have been really, really bad, but again: Even though it makes Elgin a douchebag and did things that are wrong, he didn't actively break the law in this instance. Elgin was absolutely a turbo-dick, but there's no law saying you can't be a turbo-dick. The worst thing for Elgin would be saying that he controls the gaijin bookings in Japan, but it's also viable him and Omega DO have a lot of power in Japan (the experienced gaijin tend to do it.) Doesn't Japan frown on turbo dicks? It's the drama that comes from being a turbo dick that seems what would alienate Japan. This drama isn't going away. It's fine, Japan will just replace him with a turbo tentacle instead. This just in: 67 more is a dumb out of touch racist. |
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Post by honsou on Dec 12, 2017 3:35:09 GMT -5
Yes, that Chrissy Rivera. Damn I didn't know it was someone in the business. It also makes me think why would she lie about it? Bringing it up on public pretty much killed her CZW career, since Callihan is the booker there. It's brave coming out with that when the alleged abuser is in a position of power. She's still in CZW managing Greg Excellent, she was at COD 19 |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 12, 2017 4:18:36 GMT -5
Doesn't Japan frown on turbo dicks? It's the drama that comes from being a turbo dick that seems what would alienate Japan. This drama isn't going away. Yeah, it’s less that what Elgin said may or may not be true, it’s more that he was trying to use it to others to sabotage the talent NJPW brought in and trying to throw his dick around compared to upper management. Essentially, the fact it came OUT that he did it hurts him more than any kind of truth that Elgin might have. It’s like a supervisor acting like they’re hot crap and better than everyone and can make decisions over the boss. When the boss finds out, they’ll not exactly be pleased to hear about it, whether it’s true or not. Yeah, that's where this might really hurt him. Elgin bragging to people outside the company and even really the business about the power he wields might get him burned just to keep people in f***ing line. Elgin isn't so valuable to Gedo that he can't be made an example of. Someone brought up the Shibata situation earlier, but Shibata was a major player when that happened, and the comapny had him primed for a really big spot. Elgin's been with them for a bit over two years now, so even if he's in a position of being one of the more tenured gaijin and involved in the process he's not exactly Kenny Omega or even Cody Rhodes as far as value and importance to the company, so there's not a huge loss in cutting him down to show people that going around bragging about the power you have isn't going to fly. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 12, 2017 8:25:50 GMT -5
Damn I didn't know it was someone in the business. It also makes me think why would she lie about it? Bringing it up on public pretty much killed her CZW career, since Callihan is the booker there. It's brave coming out with that when the alleged abuser is in a position of power. She's still in CZW managing Greg Excellent, she was at COD 19 And Callihan is cool with her accusations? Has Sami commented at all? |
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Post by corndog on Dec 12, 2017 11:46:07 GMT -5
She's still in CZW managing Greg Excellent, she was at COD 19 And Callihan is cool with her accusations? Has Sami commented at all? I don't really want to make this thread about Sami/Chrissy. Hopefully this is cool, someone linked a thread there earlier in this thread. This is literally all I could find and there seems to be one poster who knows what he is talking about at the top of thread. Even there they said it seems that anything on this incident is completely gone from the internet. www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/6wljhi/sami_callihan_accused_of_domestic_abuse/ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 4:45:34 GMT -5
That she deleted the tweets shortly after posting them and she still works with/for him without any issues is probably all other people really need to know about the situation.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 13, 2017 8:47:01 GMT -5
Not to turn this into a Sammi/Chrissy thread, but when they were married their relationship quickly became toxic. Knowing both of them a little bit, I don't think there was any abuse but I could see some tense situations.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 13, 2017 10:28:02 GMT -5
Not to turn this into a Sammi/Chrissy thread, but when they were married their relationship quickly became toxic. Knowing both of them a little bit, I don't think there was any abuse but I could see some tense situations. Lot of vague language and “it’s been deleted but...” in these posts. Sounds like very little smoke and even less fire to me. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 13, 2017 19:29:18 GMT -5
Not to turn this into a Sammi/Chrissy thread, but when they were married their relationship quickly became toxic. Knowing both of them a little bit, I don't think there was any abuse but I could see some tense situations. Lot of vague language and “it’s been deleted but...” in these posts. Sounds like very little smoke and even less fire to me. I'll be less vague then. Chrissy has an anger problem. Sammi is very emotional and gets worked up easily. They had a lot of shouting matches when they were married but nothing physical to my knowledge |
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 16, 2018 8:22:51 GMT -5
So Observor saying Elgin got a new two year deal with njpw, and I havd heard hes suing the accuser. This kind of cheapens NjPW for me. The DMs are out there, but people dont seem to care.
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Post by J Lee O'Brien on Feb 16, 2018 9:03:10 GMT -5
So Observor saying Elgin got a new two year deal with njpw, and I havd heard hes suing the accuser. This kind of cheapens NjPW for me. The DMs are out there, but people dont seem to care. He is indeed suing for defamation in the state of Missouri, and I hope this blows up horribly in his face. Related note: Attempts made by one of the co-founders of PowerbombTV, to NOT stream Elgin's match at an upcoming IWA:MS show, have resulted in his dismissal...from the company he helped found...and the apparent withholding of over a year's worth of pay. |
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