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Post by Dub H on Jan 6, 2018 11:26:37 GMT -5
I will cheer for Shane over Bryan. I literally, and I am using that word accurately, cannot understand why anyone would think Shane is the bad guy in the current storyline. I think it's people tiring of his TV presence, by way of his constant meddling since the first Styles/Owens feud last year. Even Stephanie hasn't been this involved in things this much in the same time period. Also,Shane was clearly being biased and trying to screw over. He lost to then , he lost the "feud". But he couldn`t accept it so started using his position of power.He was going to straight up not allow Sami and Owens to win and make then lose their jobs. He is doing some right things for the wrong reasons and bryan is doing some wrong things for the right reasons basically. |
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Jan 6, 2018 11:31:10 GMT -5
I will cheer for Shane over Bryan. I literally, and I am using that word accurately, cannot understand why anyone would think Shane is the bad guy in the current storyline. Let's see, he's a McMahon, he's a few years shy of 50 and he has no wrestling talent whatsoever. He's putting himself over the talent on his own show, which should not happen at all. Yep, he's evil. I'd rather cheer Daniel, Sami and Kevin over Shane. |
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Post by sunnytaker on Jan 6, 2018 11:48:08 GMT -5
yeah fans will definitely pick shane o'mac over Daniel bryan in the battle of smackdown authority figures for sure. so what they're saying is that they REALLY plan to turn KO and Sami face again by "turning" DB heel right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 12:13:40 GMT -5
I feel dirty even responding to this BS, lol.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 6, 2018 12:21:08 GMT -5
Will he go out on is back and take a move?
That is he big question.
RKO?
Pedigree?
Styles Clash?
Pop Up Powerbomb?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 12:22:18 GMT -5
Will he go out on is back and take a move? That is he big question. RKO? Pedigree? Styles Clash? Pop Up Powerbomb? Pedigree, so the WWE can spite CM Punk and indy fans. |
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Post by freeze Austin on Jan 6, 2018 12:51:28 GMT -5
I thought this might be a direction they go long before the Meltzer speculation. I don't know why some want to dismiss this as outlandish, when it just made sense to me that in Vince's mind, if Bryan isn't going to be cleared but is still going to leave when his contract is up, then he needs to do what he can to lessen the value he could bring to potential competition. What better way to weaken beloved fan favorite Daniel Bryan than to turn him into a dastardly heel that screws over other beloved fan favorites?
Of course, if that's the direction they decide to go in, it isn't going to work, and in fact it might backfire quite dramatically, but what else can Vince realistically do? He never loved Bryan as the top guy anyway, so I doubt he would see it as much of anything of value lost if they do turn him and he never really "got" the reason why fans loved him and connected to him in the first place. It never had anything to do with the booking or heel/face alignment, but the chairman is convinced that it's all thanks to him.
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Post by corndog on Jan 6, 2018 13:03:31 GMT -5
The constant negativity anymore is making me consider quitting the board. It really is. I remember hearing a theory a few months ago here that Vince McMahon is akin to a drug dealer. His customers hate the product and what it does to them, but still comes back for more, even when Vince short changed them. I am starting to believe this. In ways he kind of is, he does just enough good to keep people around. But for me, once Smackdown went to crap around Wrestlemania season and never recovered afterwards, I was pretty much done. Having already been watching New Japan, first through AXS and then New Japan World for a couple of years, I didn't need WWE anymore, I found a new drug dealer who usually gives me what I want. As far as the hatred, yeah I don't like the current product at all either. I also don't think a lot of people complaining are people that still watch. Personally, the best thing to happen to wrestling will be for competition to rise up, major stars to leave WWE and for the entire business(not just WWE)to become successful. That is slowly happening, at least the part of non-WWE organizations getting bigger and WWE declining. Eventually, it's going to force WWE to have a better product and not just do what they want. WWE is always at it's best with competition and without it, well here we are for the last 15+ years. |
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Post by bearned on Jan 6, 2018 13:06:03 GMT -5
Will he go out on is back and take a move? That is he big question. RKO? Pedigree? Styles Clash? Pop Up Powerbomb? Shane jumping off the titantron or whatever it’s called now? |
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Post by Dub H on Jan 6, 2018 13:33:41 GMT -5
Will he go out on is back and take a move? That is he big question. RKO? Pedigree? Styles Clash? Pop Up Powerbomb? Nah,it will be a Super man Punch followed by spear,somehow |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 13:39:42 GMT -5
I will cheer for Shane over Bryan. I literally, and I am using that word accurately, cannot understand why anyone would think Shane is the bad guy in the current storyline. Shane was positioned as the heel in this initially I'd say. He was a babyface going too far while Bryan was the face who was showing sympathy even to his enemies. Now however they're thinking of turning Bryan heel in the middle of it like they flip the majority of their stories midway. That doesn't mean this was planned from the beginning especially given Shane's traits aren't that of a babyface. |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 6, 2018 13:41:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I only watch NXT at this point weekly (and the bigger ppvs) since 2014. Don't really care about the product at this point, just merely saying if turning Bryan heel is only to "decrease his value", it won't work.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 6, 2018 13:48:26 GMT -5
Why don't they just take him off tv completely. Out of site out of mind. Like Del Rio.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 6, 2018 14:33:08 GMT -5
On the subject of making them look bad to lose value for competition...
Thursday night I saw a match for a set of tag titles end because of a move done by Trent “I could barely make it out of Main Event even to do a job” Baretta in a match that also starred Juice “CJ Parker” Robinson.
And those two aren’t even considered mega stars. A company like New Japan isn’t going to look at Daniel Bryan and go “Well, his value’s down because he was in a crappy authority angle” in the same way they didn’t look at AJ Styles and go “Man, he sure whined to Dixie Carter a lot. He’s a tool”.
Edit: Another example? Cody. Stardust was doing nothing in WWE in the last bit of Rhodes’ career, now he’s one of the biggest indie stars, has one of the best selling shirts in Hot Topic and his wife’s on a reality TV show on the same network as WWE’s stuff. So barely doing anything with Cody paid off well for them.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 6, 2018 18:11:41 GMT -5
On the subject of making them look bad to lose value for competition... Thursday night I saw a match for a set of tag titles end because of a move done by Trent “I could barely make it out of Main Event even to do a job” Baretta in a match that also starred Juice “CJ Parker” Robinson. And those two aren’t even considered mega stars. A company like New Japan isn’t going to look at Daniel Bryan and go “Well, his value’s down because he was in a crappy authority angle” in the same way they didn’t look at AJ Styles and go “Man, he sure whined to Dixie Carter a lot. He’s a tool”. Edit: Another example? Cody. Stardust was doing nothing in WWE in the last bit of Rhodes’ career, now he’s one of the biggest indie stars, has one of the best selling shirts in Hot Topic and his wife’s on a reality TV show on the same network as WWE’s stuff. So barely doing anything with Cody paid off well for them. Full stop, Daniel Bryan leaving WWE to go to anywhere else has the potential to be as big as a change during the Monday Night Wars; TNA didn't capitalize and was around in a time where pure buzz didn't really mean anything if you didn't advertise and had no presence or brand awareness. Ten years ago Jeff Hardy leaving didn't move the needle. Nowadays people talk about the indies and Japan more than ever, you can scroll through whole twitter feeds full of gifs from Wrestle Kingdom and the level of exposure other companies can potentially have is astounding. WWE has not yet lost anyone in this era who is anywhere near as big or as loved as Daniel Bryan. Damn f***ing right WWE would be afraid of losing Bryan when someone like Cody can get modest results and they did nothing with him for a whole long-ass while. |
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Post by chrom on Jan 6, 2018 18:41:46 GMT -5
Have they ever been more vindictive and spiteful towards another person than they have Daniel Bryan?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 6, 2018 18:51:39 GMT -5
Have they ever been more vindictive and spiteful towards another person than they have Daniel Bryan? I mean, they tore the entire kayfabe rulebook to shove Bret Hart out of the company... |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jan 6, 2018 18:55:33 GMT -5
Have they ever been more vindictive and spiteful towards another person than they have Daniel Bryan? I mean, they tore the entire kayfabe rulebook to shove Bret Hart out of the company... That, and even when Bret was around, he was clearly the perennial second choice. They lost Hogan, wanted Luger, then wanted Diesel, then wanted Shawn, but in the end, the only guy that even halfway got the job done carrying the company was Bret, no matter what they threw at him(he feuded with a pirate over his ring jacket, for god's sake) to make it not so. |
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Post by King Devitt: What Plants Crave on Jan 6, 2018 19:38:50 GMT -5
As long Bryan is in full "I don't give a shit" mode, this could work.
He's cutting a promo, the fans are cheering YES, and he stops and says, "Didn't you know you're supposed to boo me now?"
Cut the legs out from under WWE and their stupid ass ways.
I can't wait for it to backfire, and for the knight in shining jersey Shane to be booed to filth while his father sits in the back with the same confused face he had when he couldn't figure out why face New Day wasn't working originally.
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Post by horseface on Jan 6, 2018 21:01:42 GMT -5
I thought this might be a direction they go long before the Meltzer speculation. I don't know why some want to dismiss this as outlandish, when it just made sense to me that in Vince's mind, if Bryan isn't going to be cleared but is still going to leave when his contract is up, then he needs to do what he can to lessen the value he could bring to potential competition. What better way to weaken beloved fan favorite Daniel Bryan than to turn him into a dastardly heel that screws over other beloved fan favorites? Of course, if that's the direction they decide to go in, it isn't going to work, and in fact it might backfire quite dramatically, but what else can Vince realistically do? He never loved Bryan as the top guy anyway, so I doubt he would see it as much of anything of value lost if they do turn him and he never really "got" the reason why fans loved him and connected to him in the first place. It never had anything to do with the booking or heel/face alignment, but the chairman is convinced that it's all thanks to him. Have him be a pitiful face we're supposed to feel sorry for. And then have the whole McMahon family come out and send him off and lead a Yes chant with the crowd. |
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