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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 19:54:40 GMT -5
I'm wondering how a 90 minute version of this would be. Release the, umm,... release the Shorter Cut!! Honestly I don't think the movie would be very hard to edit down. Cutting the opening would trim off 10 minutes right there, and then while I enjoyed the mall scene you probably could shorten it. ... Honestly you could arguably completely cut Cheetah out of the movie past when Max gets the stone, though it'd leave the movie pretty devoid of action and I do like her.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 27, 2020 20:18:15 GMT -5
I'm wondering how a 90 minute version of this would be. Release the, umm,... release the Shorter Cut!! Honestly I don't think the movie would be very hard to edit down. Cutting the opening would trim off 10 minutes right there, and then while I enjoyed the mall scene you probably could shorten it. ... Honestly you could arguably completely cut Cheetah out of the movie past when Max gets the stone, though it'd leave the movie pretty devoid of action and I do like her. {Spoiler}Cut the open and the awkward scenes of Wonder Woman in bed with Stone!Steve to eliminate the unfortunate implications.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 27, 2020 21:59:42 GMT -5
I'm wondering how a 90 minute version of this would be. Release the, umm,... release the Shorter Cut!! Honestly I don't think the movie would be very hard to edit down. Cutting the opening would trim off 10 minutes right there, and then while I enjoyed the mall scene you probably could shorten it. ... Honestly you could arguably completely cut Cheetah out of the movie past when Max gets the stone, though it'd leave the movie pretty devoid of action and I do like her. I'd say shorten the time between action scenes. Barbara being a loser didn't really that much set up. Her dinner with Diana can be completely cut out. Same with a lot of Trevor's scenes. We didn't really need the clothing scene. And also the more problematic scene involving consent.
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Post by thechase on Dec 28, 2020 7:18:20 GMT -5
Here's my cut list {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Remove the opening flashback, begin the movie smack dab in 1984. Maybe cut out Diana doing the smaller deeds at the start and go straight to the Mall.
Remove Diana sleeping with Steve
Remove Steve trying on different clothes.
Remove any sign that Barbara survived electrocution and Diana saving her from drowning. Barbra is the most irredeemable character in the whole movie and makes bad choices throughout, sometimes needlessly so to drive home "look at me, I'm an antagonist", she deserves death and the film needs a true consequence, someone to pay for their acts. It can't be Maxwell, so let it be Barbra.
Borrowed this notion from another fan's ideas, but have Diana's speech be fully directed at Lord and not the world, but my take would be to leave the state of the world after he renounces his wish ambiguous, focus strictly on him reuniting with Allister
The last scene should be Diana sitting alone at the café table, and getting up to hail the cab, she spots the plane flying overhead, we then cut to Diana soaring high across the heavens.
Play the WW Blue Monday trailer music at some point in the end credits, I would kick it off right after the cameo from Lynda Carter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 16:47:18 GMT -5
Here's my cut list {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Remove any sign that Barbara survived electrocution and Diana saving her from drowning. Barbra is the most irredeemable character in the whole movie and makes bad choices throughout, sometimes needlessly so to drive home "look at me, I'm an antagonist", she deserves death and the film needs a true consequence, someone to pay for their acts. It can't be Maxwell, so let it be Barbra. I really disagree with this part. {Spoiler}It's very heavily implied that what she lost was her empathy; given that, and it being a wish she didn't consciously choose to make, I find it very hard to fault Barbara for anything she does. And I actually loved that they didn't kill her; beyond that whole thing, it also just would've been tonally a poor fit with the rest of the movie. It was supposed to be bright and hopeful, having a woman electrocuted to death basically through no fault of her own would've been extremely out of place. And really just killing iconic villains offhandedly toward the end of the movie is an incredibly tired trope at this point so I enjoyed seeing them play into it just to actively go against it.
If there were any consequences to be shown, I'd have probably had a scene with Maxwell in prison at the end or something. Just kind of show him remorseful but owning up to his failures.
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Post by thechase on Dec 28, 2020 17:00:57 GMT -5
Here's my cut list {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Remove any sign that Barbara survived electrocution and Diana saving her from drowning. Barbra is the most irredeemable character in the whole movie and makes bad choices throughout, sometimes needlessly so to drive home "look at me, I'm an antagonist", she deserves death and the film needs a true consequence, someone to pay for their acts. It can't be Maxwell, so let it be Barbra. I really disagree with this part. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}It's very heavily implied that what she lost was her empathy; given that, and it being a wish she didn't consciously choose to make, I find it very hard to fault Barbara for anything she does. And I actually loved that they didn't kill her; beyond that whole thing, it also just would've been tonally a poor fit with the rest of the movie. It was supposed to be bright and hopeful, having a woman electrocuted to death basically through no fault of her own would've been extremely out of place. And really just killing iconic villains offhandedly toward the end of the movie is an incredibly tired trope at this point so I enjoyed seeing them play into it just to actively go against it.
If there were any consequences to be shown, I'd have probably had a scene with Maxwell in prison at the end or something. Just kind of show him remorseful but owning up to his failures. I can respect that. {Spoiler}I guess I'm channeling my inner Snyder a bit there, and nobody really wants that at this stage of the game WB are playing with their movies. Still, if they weren't going to commit to such potentially lethal force winning out against Cheeta, they should have just created circumstances where she nearly drowns or is electrocuted on her own and not have Diana directly use it against her with intent to harm, regardless of how far gone Barbera was.
Perhaps Barbera renouncing her wish first based off that would have made the audience wonder if Max would do the same...if they felt that Barbra doing that would give the climax away too early, they could have cut away from Diana just before she electrocutes it, and moved that decision a little past Maxwell renouncing his wish and show it off in a flashback to show Diana hesitated and spared Barbra
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 28, 2020 17:01:50 GMT -5
Wonder Woman's whole deal normally is that she doesn't kill her villains and in fact tries to redeem them and even befriend them if she can.
She certainly has killed before, Maxwell Lord even, but generally that's not who she is. Her doing her best NOT to do more than incapacitate Cheetah&using the lasso to talk Lord and his victims out of the threat is completely in character. Execution lacking, I'd say so but the idea was sound.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 28, 2020 18:28:18 GMT -5
WW84's Cheetah has a lot more in common with the Rebirth Cheetah than any other version of the character. Like in Rebirth, Barbara makes friends with Diana but is corrupted into becoming a villain by outside circustances. In the Rebirth comics, it was the Curse of the Cheetah. In the movie, it was the Dreamstone. It's an interesting departure from previous versions of the character in the comics where Barbara is already a rotten person overall and the Cheetah powers only enhanced her villainy. {Spoiler}Now the interesting thing with the Rebirth version of the character is that Barbara is eventually able to get free of the curse and even is able to use her Cheetah powers for good, including aiding Wonder Woman. If the movies want to follow a similar story beat, especially with Barbara surviving her fight against Diana, things could get interesting if they bring Wiig back for Wonder Woman 3. Circe is probably the biggest bad they have up their sleeve as an antagonist for future Wonder Woman movies, and you could have a really fun team-up between Diana and Barbara to ultimately triumph over her.
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 28, 2020 19:59:47 GMT -5
WW84's Cheetah has a lot more in common with the Rebirth Cheetah than any other version of the character. Like in Rebirth, Barbara makes friends with Diana but is corrupted into becoming a villain by outside circustances. In the Rebirth comics, it was the Curse of the Cheetah. In the movie, it was the Dreamstone. It's an interesting departure from previous versions of the character in the comics where Barbara is already a rotten person overall and the Cheetah powers only enhanced her villainy. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Now the interesting thing with the Rebirth version of the character is that Barbara is eventually able to get free of the curse and even is able to use her Cheetah powers for good, including aiding Wonder Woman. If the movies want to follow a similar story beat, especially with Barbara surviving her fight against Diana, things could get interesting if they bring Wiig back for Wonder Woman 3. Circe is probably the biggest bad they have up their sleeve as an antagonist for future Wonder Woman movies, and you could have a really fun team-up between Diana and Barbara to ultimately triumph over her. I haven't seen the movie yet to comment too much but... {Spoiler}While Circe would probably be the one they chose for the next movie (although with her appearance in JLU back in the day, it'll be interesting to see how they work her to make me forget the silliness we got with her), I still hold out hope to see Giganta be used. Even if she's just Circe's right hand woman (don't see Silver Swann getting used soon as she was just used recently in a Wonder Woman animated movie...and Dr. Psycho would be a bit problematic outside of the Harley Quinn series.
...as long as it's not Dark Angel though.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 28, 2020 22:11:40 GMT -5
Thought it was pretty fun, even if it didn’t reach the heights of the first film. Gadot and Chris Pine are still good, Wiig’s transformation into Cheetah I felt was well laid out. Pascal is IMO the best part of the movie, different kind of performance but he’s just as good as he was on Narcos. The story is kinda silly, but it’s overall a smarter and sweeter film than BvS or Suicide Squad.
Some of the stereotypical villains were kinda cringe, I’ll agree.
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Post by Cela on Dec 29, 2020 1:42:21 GMT -5
Here's my cut list {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Remove any sign that Barbara survived electrocution and Diana saving her from drowning. Barbra is the most irredeemable character in the whole movie and makes bad choices throughout, sometimes needlessly so to drive home "look at me, I'm an antagonist", she deserves death and the film needs a true consequence, someone to pay for their acts. It can't be Maxwell, so let it be Barbra. I really disagree with this part. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}It's very heavily implied that what she lost was her empathy; given that, and it being a wish she didn't consciously choose to make, I find it very hard to fault Barbara for anything she does. And I actually loved that they didn't kill her; beyond that whole thing, it also just would've been tonally a poor fit with the rest of the movie. It was supposed to be bright and hopeful, having a woman electrocuted to death basically through no fault of her own would've been extremely out of place. And really just killing iconic villains offhandedly toward the end of the movie is an incredibly tired trope at this point so I enjoyed seeing them play into it just to actively go against it.
If there were any consequences to be shown, I'd have probably had a scene with Maxwell in prison at the end or something. Just kind of show him remorseful but owning up to his failures. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}At the end of the day, we have a character who was willing to contribute to the end of the world because she got a makeover. Yes, she got super strength, but otherwise she just started dressing better and showing more confidence. Not exactly need a wish for that. Let alone a world ending wish. Electrocute!
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 29, 2020 8:37:11 GMT -5
Here's my cut list {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Remove any sign that Barbara survived electrocution and Diana saving her from drowning. Barbra is the most irredeemable character in the whole movie and makes bad choices throughout, sometimes needlessly so to drive home "look at me, I'm an antagonist", she deserves death and the film needs a true consequence, someone to pay for their acts. It can't be Maxwell, so let it be Barbra. I really disagree with this part. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}It's very heavily implied that what she lost was her empathy; given that, and it being a wish she didn't consciously choose to make, I find it very hard to fault Barbara for anything she does. And I actually loved that they didn't kill her; beyond that whole thing, it also just would've been tonally a poor fit with the rest of the movie. It was supposed to be bright and hopeful, having a woman electrocuted to death basically through no fault of her own would've been extremely out of place. And really just killing iconic villains offhandedly toward the end of the movie is an incredibly tired trope at this point so I enjoyed seeing them play into it just to actively go against it.
If there were any consequences to be shown, I'd have probably had a scene with Maxwell in prison at the end or something. Just kind of show him remorseful but owning up to his failures. {Spoiler}Yeah, that was one of my big hangups after it was over, ain’t this dude going to jail? I know charging someone with “wish stone absorbing” isn’t a federal crime in and of itself, but since everyone apparently remembers all the weird wishes flying around, he’s got to have some court dates coming.
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Post by thechase on Dec 29, 2020 11:04:08 GMT -5
it’s overall a smarter and sweeter film than BvS or Suicide Squad. Sweeter? Certainly, I draw the line at 'smarter'
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 29, 2020 11:34:35 GMT -5
it’s overall a smarter and sweeter film than BvS or Suicide Squad. Sweeter? Certainly, I draw the line at 'smarter' To be fair, BVS and Suicide Squad are dumber than a box of rocks, so it's a low bar. Maybe "less dumb" is more apt?
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Post by thechase on Dec 29, 2020 11:42:17 GMT -5
Sweeter? Certainly, I draw the line at 'smarter' To be fair, BVS and Suicide Squad are dumber than a box of rocks, so it's a low bar. Maybe "less dumb" is more apt? 'Comfortably Dumb'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 18:35:00 GMT -5
I feel like the fact I'm rewatching Batman Returns at the moment is making me rapidly think lower of this movie because even though Cheetah was obviously taking a lot of inspiration from it and I did like her a lot, goddamn does she not at all live up to just how great Selina is in Returns.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 29, 2020 20:24:11 GMT -5
I don't get to watch this until Jan 13th. Er, doesn't seem like it's my cup of tea but I'll give it a watch.
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Post by chrom on Dec 29, 2020 21:27:46 GMT -5
Dear Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry.
Keep your damn politics and views out of movies, we watch them to escape from the mess the world is in.
Signed,
Everyone
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 30, 2020 1:16:18 GMT -5
There wasn't that much in the way of politics in this at all. Ok Lord was a complete business failure who parlayed a huckster tv persona into making people think he was successful ala you know who but it didn't go that far with it beyond surface level stuff.
The only geopolitical thing that people took issue with mainly was a scene in the desert where Diana saves a couple of kids&that only evokes politics if one is familiar with Gal's background and why that doesn't really play that well given the area.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 30, 2020 7:21:47 GMT -5
Dear Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry. Keep your damn politics and views out of movies, we watch them to escape from the mess the world is in. Signed, Everyone No we'll continue making movies the way we want and don't care who complains. Signed, Hollywood
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