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Post by BigAl on May 1, 2018 0:06:23 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anyone kicking out of the Diamond Cutter. Goldberg I think did, but DDP didn't pin him straight away. DDP was very protective of his finsiher I believe it was said he was pissed at Goldberg because he told him to wait as long as he could on the kickout and Goldberg kicked out as soon as 2 hit Didn't undertaker and Kane kicked out asap too
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 1, 2018 0:09:20 GMT -5
DDP was very protective of his finsiher I believe it was said he was pissed at Goldberg because he told him to wait as long as he could on the kickout and Goldberg kicked out as soon as 2 hit Didn't undertaker and Kane kicked out asap too Their is a good chance they did The list is short tho for people who have kicked out
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 1, 2018 0:39:18 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anyone kicking out of the Diamond Cutter. Goldberg I think did, but DDP didn't pin him straight away. DDP was very protective of his finsiher I believe it was said he was pissed at Goldberg because he told him to wait as long as he could on the kickout and Goldberg kicked out as soon as 2 hit He kinda had to be, it was basically his entire gimmick at one point. If people regularly kicked out, his credibility was pretty much f***ed
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Post by schma on May 1, 2018 0:47:01 GMT -5
Diamond Cutter was better though there have been a few good RKO's.
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Post by Crimson on May 1, 2018 1:42:56 GMT -5
The Diamond Cutter did seem like it could come from out of nowhere. The RKO is pretty much limited to "guy jumping in Orton's direction." Yeah. Like the story was that DDP actually trained and worked on being able to hit it from any position in the ring. Where Randy's version seems to rely mostly on luck. RKO started as the former but as time went on and they kept trying to up the ante, the set up got more and more contrived.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 1, 2018 1:47:17 GMT -5
Diamond Cutter was better though there have been a few good RKO's. More than a few I say
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 1, 2018 1:50:46 GMT -5
DDP was very protective of his finsiher I believe it was said he was pissed at Goldberg because he told him to wait as long as he could on the kickout and Goldberg kicked out as soon as 2 hit He kinda had to be, it was basically his entire gimmick at one point. If people regularly kicked out, his credibility was pretty much f***ed Right. Like I said he was hot at Goldberg for the kick out. DDP did everything possible to protect his finish including taking his time on the pin because he wanted Goldberg to kick out. Meanwhile Goldberg being so protective of his own character isn't really registering everything or just don't care The crowd loved the Diamond Cutter even when he was a heel so you can't blame DDP for protecting his move that was way over with the fans
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Post by Shai on May 1, 2018 9:00:08 GMT -5
This whole thread is really reminding how much I love DDP. Just reminds me of the great days in WCW before it all went to shit.
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Post by tms on May 1, 2018 10:13:07 GMT -5
Page was awesome. Still is, too.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 10:38:07 GMT -5
Yeah they used the Diamond Cutter as an explanation of "Why is this jobber so damn good all of a sudden?". They would talk about how the Diamond Cutter had become DDPs equalizer and Tenay would talk about all the training he'd done to learn how to apply the Cutter from anywhere. It was pretty well done. This really makes me miss when it was treated as an actual sport, no matter how silly it became. So much better than it being nothing at all except for "I spoke with (X) earlier today and he said..."
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 12:07:54 GMT -5
Diamond Cutter was better though there have been a few good RKO's. More than a few I say I'm still a sucker for Orton flying in from outta nowhere to RKO people on SD.
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Post by asellus on May 1, 2018 17:35:51 GMT -5
He kinda had to be, it was basically his entire gimmick at one point. If people regularly kicked out, his credibility was pretty much f***ed Right. Like I said he was hot at Goldberg for the kick out. DDP did everything possible to protect his finish including taking his time on the pin because he wanted Goldberg to kick out. Meanwhile Goldberg being so protective of his own character isn't really registering everything or just don't care The crowd loved the Diamond Cutter even when he was a heel so you can't blame DDP for protecting his move that was way over with the fans What I heard is he knocked himself loopy when he ran into the pole at full speed, so he kicked out at 2 because he was out of it. Could be I've heard completely wrong though.
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Post by asellus on May 1, 2018 17:36:15 GMT -5
Right. Like I said he was hot at Goldberg for the kick out. DDP did everything possible to protect his finish including taking his time on the pin because he wanted Goldberg to kick out. Meanwhile Goldberg being so protective of his own character isn't really registering everything or just don't care The crowd loved the Diamond Cutter even when he was a heel so you can't blame DDP for protecting his move that was way over with the fans What I heard is he knocked himself loopy when he ran into the corner pole at full speed, so he kicked out at 2 because he was out of it. Could be I've heard completely wrong though.
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Post by trollrogue on May 2, 2018 0:38:39 GMT -5
Right. Like I said he was hot at Goldberg for the kick out. DDP did everything possible to protect his finish including taking his time on the pin because he wanted Goldberg to kick out. Meanwhile Goldberg being so protective of his own character isn't really registering everything or just don't care The crowd loved the Diamond Cutter even when he was a heel so you can't blame DDP for protecting his move that was way over with the fans What I heard is he knocked himself loopy when he ran into the pole at full speed, so he kicked out at 2 because he was out of it. Could be I've heard completely wrong though. I think in either case whether Goldberg meant to kickout at 2.00 instead of 2.99 intentionally or not, it's a move that really should never be kicked out of for anybody BUT the Undefeated Goldberg. He as the WCW franchise wrestler in order to rise above DDP had to kickout, thankfully not until 2 at least to preserve the awesome underdog with a nuclear weapon gimmick DDP had going on tho. DDP did most of the work by delaying getting to the pincover after he did the counter, which was enough for me watching HHavok like to be irreversibly and perpetually impressed by both competitors in this match for this spot/match forever. Today's wrestlers can learn a lot from DDP protecting his finisher against the morons in booking, and similarly they can learn from how dependable a main eventer RKO is still over a decade after his WWE debut using just a sliver of Page's original gimmick, and keeping the RKO just as protected (not many, if any, have kicked out when Randy gets them outtanowhere like DDP used to.)
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Post by Shark on May 2, 2018 1:45:58 GMT -5
Didn't undertaker and Kane kicked out asap too Their is a good chance they did The list is short tho for people who have kicked out I'd be shocked if either ever even took that move. Maybe they did, but during an attack so DDP never actually had to go for a pin.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 2, 2018 1:52:08 GMT -5
I love DDP, but I wonder if it annoys the shit out of Johnny Ace that he invented the move and a bunch of variations, only for DDP to adopt the move and those variations, and get lavished praise for it.
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Post by benstudd on May 2, 2018 8:36:35 GMT -5
And, of course, the greatest Diamond Cutter of them all. Great match, too. Only time I can remember where Goldberg seemed in jeopardy and he could lose. Back then I rooting for Goldberg but when that cutter happened I was ready for him to lose, I wouldn't have minded cause it was such a cool moment. And really if WCW had wanted to, they could have had Goldberg lose there, it would not have damaged him much cause it was done from a devastating move. They could have said this was a fluke with Bill winning it back. Another element to consider was DDP doing this in a WCW ring. Former WCW wrestlers have said working on it was like wrestling on a piece of wood, it was not very comfortable. And the sound the ring would make when DDP would do his cutter was incredible. I really miss these WCW rings.
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Post by benstudd on May 2, 2018 8:46:37 GMT -5
I love DDP, but I wonder if it annoys the shit out of Johnny Ace that he invented the move and a bunch of variations, only for DDP to adopt the move and those variations, and get lavished praise for it. Johnny Ace's move was more like a Stone Cold Stunner. I've seen him do it a few times and what was interesting was that he didn't use it just as a finisher but as a move he would do all throughout his matches. In one match he used like 6 or 7 of this move.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on May 2, 2018 10:35:33 GMT -5
Man, WCW was so great in its prime. I really miss those days. I never particularly cared about the promotion when it was still around but WWE's brutish mistreatment of WCW's legacy (until recently) turned me into a stronger and more reminiscent WCW fan.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 2, 2018 10:51:19 GMT -5
Diamond Cutter with ease. The RKO should be the new Diamond Cutter but freaking WWE can’t let us have nice things. They were heading in that direction and chalk me up to one of the pissed off fans angry we didn’t get a F-5 into RKO counter.
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