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Post by The Captain on May 22, 2018 14:53:22 GMT -5
Fridays are historically a bad night for television ratings because people like going out on Friday nights, not stay inside and watch television. I'm surprised WWE accepted the move back to Fridays for SD because I remember they couldn't wait to go back to Thursdays when they moved SD to cable. But then for $1 billion over 5 years, I guess they swallow some things they don't like for that money.
On the bright side, they'll probably win their timeslot pretty easily. Just that I don't expect it to be a ratings juggernaut or anything.
It's more a long-term worry than anything WWE has to be mindful of in the near future. Sure, Fox can't cancel Smackdown after a year, but if the ratings aren't what they expected, they could be willing to pay far less money to renew or even tell WWE to shop the show elsewhere.
Then again, the ratings for both Raw and Smackdown are a pale shadow of what they used to be and WWE managed to get both NBCU and Fox to send them the Brinks trucks to get both shows.
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Post by Shark on May 22, 2018 15:07:45 GMT -5
Between the moves during the Superstar Shake Up and the $1 billion deal to move to Fox, in kayfabe, Paige is the best GM in WWE history.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 16:23:27 GMT -5
Meltzer's comments on this... clyp.it/jx3xik20So yeah, the top stars will move to SDL and they'll have to make sure SDL is their most important show due to the numbers associated with it. |
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Post by Hypnosis on May 22, 2018 16:29:29 GMT -5
Meltzer's comments on this... clyp.it/jx3xik20So yeah, the top stars will move to SDL and they'll have to make sure SDL is their most important show due to the numbers associated with it. "USA itself has collapsed."  I believe it.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 16:33:54 GMT -5
Best News?
The return of "Kingpin of SDL: Dean Ambrose" except he'll be a heel kingpin this time. I look forward to it.
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Post by The Barber on May 23, 2018 6:04:14 GMT -5
NASCAR's ratings are in a freefall and they recently got a GIGANTIC TV contract.
Live TV draws the money, folks.
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Post by segaz on May 23, 2018 7:42:57 GMT -5
Unconditional financial income usually leads to mediocrity.
It happened to Konami.
It happened to Steam.
It could happen to WWE also.
Hmm, WCW had a billionaire from thrthe start, yet they tried to remain creative right up to the end.......
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Post by Dub H on May 23, 2018 8:26:53 GMT -5
Meltzer's comments on this... clyp.it/jx3xik20So yeah, the top stars will move to SDL and they'll have to make sure SDL is their most important show due to the numbers associated with it. So Vince starts to be more involved/micromanage more with SD! and therefore becomes worse? |
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Post by 111111 on May 23, 2018 8:46:19 GMT -5
Meltzer's comments on this... clyp.it/jx3xik20So yeah, the top stars will move to SDL and they'll have to make sure SDL is their most important show due to the numbers associated with it. The easiest way to do this is to just end the bloody brand split. They can still have two touring groups for house shows, they don't need a brand split on TV especially when they're unwilling to do anything to differentiate the two brands. Between 5 hours of TV they can fit most guys on at least one of the shows each week, if they create a few big stables they can have people at least get some screen time constantly even if they're not doing much. Or at least have a few more guys that are "free agents" Smackdown needs Brock Lesnar or Rhonda Rousey showing up from time to time if it has any hope of doing well on Fox. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 13:17:27 GMT -5
Meltzer's comments on this... clyp.it/jx3xik20So yeah, the top stars will move to SDL and they'll have to make sure SDL is their most important show due to the numbers associated with it. So Vince starts to be more involved/micromanage more with SD! and therefore becomes worse? I'm hoping he rides the next year out, then sells all his shares and retires before it begins so he can leave the business on top as a billionaire. Nothing negative about his politicking and business and anything —— it seems like that'd be the perfect way for his professional life to end. |
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Post by wildojinx on May 23, 2018 13:35:40 GMT -5
What I could seriously see happening is that the "main" ppvs (Rumble, Wrestlemania, Money in the Bank, Summerslam, Survivor Series) stay on the Network/PPV, but the lesser ppvs could air as Fox Network specials (even better, they could air those on Saturday Nights since Fox doesnt air anything on that night).
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 13:42:27 GMT -5
So Vince starts to be more involved/micromanage more with SD! and therefore becomes worse? I'm hoping he rides the next year out, then sells all his shares and retires before it begins so he can leave the business on top as a billionaire. Nothing negative about his politicking and business and anything —— it seems like that'd be the perfect way for his professional life to end. Only way I see that happening is if Steph/HHH and Shane form a venture and purchase it themselves. I truly dont see Vince letting the majority stock leave the McMahon family |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 23, 2018 13:50:55 GMT -5
Unconditional financial income usually leads to mediocrity. It happened to Konami. It happened to Steam. It could happen to WWE also. Hmm, WCW had a billionaire from thrthe start, yet they tried to remain creative right up to the end....... Konami sure but Steam is still THE service for PC to get notice and whilst other services are there, people still use Steam more than any of them combined. WWE is pretty much Steam with LESS viable competition. If you’re a wrestler, you want to be in WWE. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 23, 2018 15:01:57 GMT -5
Unconditional financial income usually leads to mediocrity. It happened to Konami. It happened to Steam. It could happen to WWE also. Hmm, WCW had a billionaire from thrthe start, yet they tried to remain creative right up to the end....... Konami sure but Steam is still THE service for PC to get notice and whilst other services are there, people still use Steam more than any of them combined. WWE is pretty much Steam with LESS viable competition. If you’re a wrestler, you want to be in WWE. Yep... Indy games not wanting to be on steam is different because there are things like the Switch to program for... they aren't talking of going to like Origin or Ubisoft's storefront. |
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Post by Chainsaw on May 23, 2018 15:51:31 GMT -5
Unconditional financial income usually leads to mediocrity. It happened to Konami. It happened to Steam. It could happen to WWE also. Hmm, WCW had a billionaire from thrthe start, yet they tried to remain creative right up to the end....... "COULD"?! |
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Post by segaz on May 23, 2018 16:35:52 GMT -5
Unconditional financial income usually leads to mediocrity. It happened to Konami. It happened to Steam. It could happen to WWE also. Hmm, WCW had a billionaire from thrthe start, yet they tried to remain creative right up to the end....... Konami sure but Steam is still THE service for PC to get notice and whilst other services are there, people still use Steam more than any of them combined. WWE is pretty much Steam with LESS viable competition. If you’re a wrestler, you want to be in WWE. You misunderstand. There is no more continuation of their creative franchises. Half Life, Team Fortress, Left 4 Dead....all put on indefinite hold because no need to, they make enough money through steam. That's why I said even wcw was creative up till their dying day (a little TOO creative in some aspects but that's another story) |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 16:38:42 GMT -5
Meltzer's comments on this... clyp.it/jx3xik20So yeah, the top stars will move to SDL and they'll have to make sure SDL is their most important show due to the numbers associated with it. So Vince starts to be more involved/micromanage more with SD! and therefore becomes worse? He's already got his hands in SDL tbh. People just put the blame on Road Dogg when Vince is just as active. Meltzer's comments on this... clyp.it/jx3xik20So yeah, the top stars will move to SDL and they'll have to make sure SDL is their most important show due to the numbers associated with it. The easiest way to do this is to just end the bloody brand split. They can still have two touring groups for house shows, they don't need a brand split on TV especially when they're unwilling to do anything to differentiate the two brands. Between 5 hours of TV they can fit most guys on at least one of the shows each week, if they create a few big stables they can have people at least get some screen time constantly even if they're not doing much. Or at least have a few more guys that are "free agents" Smackdown needs Brock Lesnar or Rhonda Rousey showing up from time to time if it has any hope of doing well on Fox. That's how it should be done but we all know how this company sadly works lol. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 23, 2018 17:02:56 GMT -5
Konami sure but Steam is still THE service for PC to get notice and whilst other services are there, people still use Steam more than any of them combined. WWE is pretty much Steam with LESS viable competition. If you’re a wrestler, you want to be in WWE. You misunderstand. There is no more continuation of their creative franchises. Half Life, Team Fortress, Left 4 Dead....all put on indefinite hold because no need to, they make enough money through steam. That's why I said even wcw was creative up till their dying day (a little TOO creative in some aspects but that's another story) Valve had trouble putting out games when they didn't have the most successful store front on the PC platform. The problem is their work structure is so open and "free" that people will drift off to do whatever they want and nothing gets done because there's no structure or internal leadership to steer people in the right direction, and ultimately that leads to the only things that get done being the major things to keep the massively profitable store moving, because they then hired on people to deal with the storefront and those people, very directly working on a store and not games, have much sharper direction. It's a problem of Valve not adapting its management style, not "Eh we don't need to make games, f*** it". Plus, they are still developing games, it's just that said game is DOTA 2. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 23, 2018 17:40:49 GMT -5
You misunderstand. There is no more continuation of their creative franchises. Half Life, Team Fortress, Left 4 Dead....all put on indefinite hold because no need to, they make enough money through steam. That's why I said even wcw was creative up till their dying day (a little TOO creative in some aspects but that's another story) Valve had trouble putting out games when they didn't have the most successful store front on the PC platform. The problem is their work structure is so open and "free" that people will drift off to do whatever they want and nothing gets done because there's no structure or internal leadership to steer people in the right direction, and ultimately that leads to the only things that get done being the major things to keep the massively profitable store moving, because they then hired on people to deal with the storefront and those people, very directly working on a store and not games, have much sharper direction. It's a problem of Valve not adapting its management style, not "Eh we don't need to make games, f*** it". Plus, they are still developing games, it's just that said game is DOTA 2. Hey hey hey, that’s harsh to Valve. They also occasionally update Counter Strike. But yeah, comparing the two seems facetious when one company became the market leader through innovation that not many people have competed with since and a company that brought the rest of its competition and being rewarded for being network catnip, good ratings or not. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 23, 2018 17:51:38 GMT -5
Valve had trouble putting out games when they didn't have the most successful store front on the PC platform. The problem is their work structure is so open and "free" that people will drift off to do whatever they want and nothing gets done because there's no structure or internal leadership to steer people in the right direction, and ultimately that leads to the only things that get done being the major things to keep the massively profitable store moving, because they then hired on people to deal with the storefront and those people, very directly working on a store and not games, have much sharper direction. It's a problem of Valve not adapting its management style, not "Eh we don't need to make games, f*** it". Plus, they are still developing games, it's just that said game is DOTA 2. Hey hey hey, that’s harsh to Valve. They also occasionally update Counter Strike. But yeah, comparing the two seems facetious when one company became the market leader through innovation that not many people have competed with since and a company that brought the rest of its competition and being rewarded for being network catnip, good ratings or not. There's a lot of cases to be made that Steam's (maybe excessively) low barrier of entry and accessibility has directly helped make the indie scene more viable on PC, and there are studios out there that say one massively successful Steam sale helped save them from shuttering entirely, and that their innovation in turn has forced a lot of other competitors to have to keep up on certain fronts like peeling back layers of hardcore DRM that have become less and less prevalent compared to how it was ten years ago thanks to the softer DRM Steam provides. Major sale events have become an industry norm across all other storefronts and consoles. Lots of whole-industry things that have benefited consumers and the industry alike. WWE hasn't really done any of that and even their increased care about the indies is met with backlash by people who think they're just raiding the scene to snatch up everyone with talent for the sake of having them. |
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