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Post by thechase on Nov 13, 2019 9:48:01 GMT -5
Conan took a stab at a redesign (NSFW)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 0:28:50 GMT -5
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 20, 2019 6:50:08 GMT -5
No, I’m sorry, but that’s stupid. Wishing for a movie to do poorly with its target fandom just for the sake of laughing at them is mean spirited and not funny on the author’s part. |
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 20, 2019 9:50:28 GMT -5
This might be one of the worst arguments I've ever read for anything. This article wasn't defending the original design because the guy liked it, wasn't criticizing social media for forcing a change over something that was originally good; this is saying the design shouldn't have been changed because this guy wants to laugh at something. He's not even taking a position on anything as he's saying the original sucked and the new one is better. |
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Post by Paul on Nov 20, 2019 10:27:01 GMT -5
I'm amazed they thought the old character design would appeal to kids and make them want to buy the toys. If I was a kid (like 6 or 7) the old character design would have really creeped me out and I sure wouldn't want to buy a doll or action figure of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 10:58:10 GMT -5
 And this is a bad thing? What a nonsensical article. |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Dec 1, 2019 23:53:54 GMT -5
Wait a second.
Isn't this just the plot to f***in' Sonic X?
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 2, 2019 0:48:00 GMT -5
Wait a second. Isn't this just the plot to f***in' Sonic X? Similar beats, but Sonic X was some accident that caused Sonic and the others to come to Earth, where this seems like Sonic intentionally came to get away from it all. Also, unless we're missing something from the trailers, seems Robotnik is from Earth and will change when he ends up in Sonic's world (maybe becoming more Eggman in the process besides in just the head). |
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 2, 2019 3:16:20 GMT -5
I might not have been paying much attention, but I don’t remember any sort of #fixsonic campaign. I just remember seeing people making fun of how terrible he looked.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 2, 2019 4:14:13 GMT -5
I haven’t read the article (probably won’t either according to some of the comments here) but this weird idea that the old design should have been kept because some out of touch movie executive, with full creative license from Sega for some reason, thought that it would have appealed to kids is a really bizarre take. Especially when even the Sonic Boom cartoon has a more accurate looking Sonic than the original design did which, you know, was seen by kids.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 2, 2019 4:14:47 GMT -5
I might not have been paying much attention, but I don’t remember any sort of #fixsonic campaign. I just remember seeing people making fun of how terrible he looked. There very much was one, sprinkled in between the people making fun out of it. |
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Post by hassanchop on Dec 2, 2019 5:29:53 GMT -5
Well there's also this:
Language warning. Yew know.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 2, 2019 5:33:28 GMT -5
Well there's also this: Language warning. Yew know. Eh, even as a jokey viewpoint, it honestly doesn't take less than 5 minutes to do a tweet saying #fixsonic and do other stuff with your day. It's one of the odder things about some discourse in 2019 and the "get a life" perspective. I'm at work right now but I could really easily send a tweet out petitioning for, I don't know, someone to pick up Twelve Forever for another season (AND THEY SHOULD, GODDAMNIT!) and carry on with doing photocopying and the like. EDIT: Now if people were protesting outside Paramount Pictures or anything like that...yeah, that might cross a line for me. But nobody was as far as I knew, so eh. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 2, 2019 6:57:57 GMT -5
Like I said before: I don’t think the first model looked too bad to begin with, I’m genuinely excited about this movie, and all of the jokes related to it haven’t made me laugh, they’ve just irritated me. From everything I’ve heard, the director is legit committed to this project, and as a Sonic fan I’m rooting for them, and I’m annoyed by the way both fans and non-fans have acted.
That’s all I can say about it without legit getting pissed off.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 2, 2019 7:01:55 GMT -5
Like I said before: I don’t think the first model looked too bad to begin with, I’m genuinely excited about this movie, and all of the jokes related to it haven’t made me laugh, they’ve just irritated me. From everything I’ve heard, the director is legit committed to this project, and as a Sonic fan I’m rooting for them, and I’m annoyed by the way both fans and non-fans have acted. That’s all I can say about it without legit getting pissed off. Like I said before, the biggest glaring thing to me is that Sega didn't ask for more creative control on the project. And if the offer was good, I can understand that but considering the history of these things, Super Mario Bros being a glaring one in cinema history, you'd think that'd have been front and centre. But again, it all worked out somewhat so it's not as big a craw as it once was. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 2, 2019 7:05:47 GMT -5
Like I said before: I don’t think the first model looked too bad to begin with, I’m genuinely excited about this movie, and all of the jokes related to it haven’t made me laugh, they’ve just irritated me. From everything I’ve heard, the director is legit committed to this project, and as a Sonic fan I’m rooting for them, and I’m annoyed by the way both fans and non-fans have acted. That’s all I can say about it without legit getting pissed off. Like I said before, the biggest glaring thing to me is that Sega didn't ask for more creative control on the project. And if the offer was good, I can understand that but considering the history of these things, Super Mario Bros being a glaring one in cinema history, you'd think that'd have been front and centre. But again, it all worked out somewhat so it's not as big a craw as it once was. Sega has always been less uptight than Nintendo when licensing their characters outside games. And I’m glad, because that’s how we got fun Sonic canon like Archie/IDW and the ABC cartoon. I often trust writers outside the Sega bubble with him more. So I’m still a little salty there was a craw in the first place. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 2, 2019 7:13:59 GMT -5
Like I said before, the biggest glaring thing to me is that Sega didn't ask for more creative control on the project. And if the offer was good, I can understand that but considering the history of these things, Super Mario Bros being a glaring one in cinema history, you'd think that'd have been front and centre. But again, it all worked out somewhat so it's not as big a craw as it once was. Sega has always been less uptight than Nintendo when licensing their characters outside games. And I’m glad, because that’s how we got fun Sonic canon like Archie/IDW and the ABC cartoon. I often trust writers outside the Sega bubble with him more. So I’m still a little salty there was a craw in the first place. Oh no, I understand that aspect and the movie itself seems fine, but it's the old problem of "people who don't understand the property running rough shot over foundations of it" which just seems to not have improved much in the last 20-30 years. Like, I'm honestly sure if those people mainly involved had the final call, we wouldn't even be having these conversations. |
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 2, 2019 9:54:23 GMT -5
So does Sega have too much creative control or too little? Or is it somehow both?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 2, 2019 9:59:02 GMT -5
So does Sega have too much creative control or too little? Or is it somehow both? I'm going to go ahead and say that Paramount went over to them with a boatload of money, accepted all the conditions because "Holy Shit look at all this money for a Sonic Movie!!!" and then saw the original designs and were like "...oh". |
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 2, 2019 10:28:25 GMT -5
Details on Paramount's initial "realistic Sonic" approachFrom what I've heard pretty much everyone but the studio knew the design was awful, the latter believing that the fans wouldn't take to it but that it would be accepted by the general public. Even getting beyond how much of a misread that is of the broader audience, it betrays how little they understood on the importance of Sonic's core design. The Turtles and Transformers redesigns were an eyesore, but they were not based on characters with cartoonish expressions and proportions. Sonic was, and the idea that the original concept would be liked by mass audiences could only come from people wholly unaware of what makes toon like characters work. Paramount probably believed Sega's objections were equivalent to nitpicking fans pointing out inconsistencies and didn't realize how much better Sega understood the property better than they did.
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