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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 2, 2019 10:31:09 GMT -5
So does Sega have too much creative control or too little? Or is it somehow both? I'm going to go ahead and say that Paramount went over to them with a boatload of money, accepted all the conditions because "Holy Shit look at all this money for a Sonic Movie!!!" and then saw the original designs and were like "...oh". From what I can tell, the director wanted something closer to game Sonic originally. And I haven’t seen the Dora movie yet, but Paramount/Nick Studios used more realistic animal like models for Boots and Swiper. I think someone at Paramount suggested that idea to the animators, not realizing how iconic Sonic’s base design is to the gaming community. Whoever that person was, I don’t think they deserve to be attacked or tarred and feathered for it. It was a misjudgment, that’s all. To me this has shone a light on how some fans, even if they’re understandably bothered by a creative choice, can sadly go overboard. Ideally, everyone will just move on from this and have fun with it. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 2, 2019 10:36:30 GMT -5
I'm going to go ahead and say that Paramount went over to them with a boatload of money, accepted all the conditions because "Holy Shit look at all this money for a Sonic Movie!!!" and then saw the original designs and were like "...oh". From what I can tell, the director wanted something closer to game Sonic originally. And I haven’t seen the Dora movie yet, but Paramount/Nick Studios used more realistic animal like models for Boots and Swiper. I think someone at Paramount suggested that idea to the animators, not realizing how iconic Sonic’s base design is to the gaming community. Whoever that person was, I don’t think they deserve to be attacked or tarred and feathered for it. It was a misjudgment, that’s all. To me this has shone a light on how some fans, even if they’re understandably bothered by a creative choice, can sadly go overboard. Like, I can agree with that for sure but there's also way too much precedence in executives going "Well, this thing we're making isn't the same as what made it work in the first place but we'll just go with it and see what happens" for at least realising how much that hasn't worked in the last couple of decades. I'd not as much call it a misjudgement as much as a thing that needs to change if the studios want to continue making these kinds of movies. Also, the difference between Sonic and Dora is that Paramount is part of the company that owns Nickelodeon and in turn Dora so it'd be really weird for them to turn around and change the foundations when the people who know what makes the character work are a phone call away rather than having to consult an outside company and waiting for their feedback. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 2, 2019 10:48:44 GMT -5
From what I can tell, the director wanted something closer to game Sonic originally. And I haven’t seen the Dora movie yet, but Paramount/Nick Studios used more realistic animal like models for Boots and Swiper. I think someone at Paramount suggested that idea to the animators, not realizing how iconic Sonic’s base design is to the gaming community. Whoever that person was, I don’t think they deserve to be attacked or tarred and feathered for it. It was a misjudgment, that’s all. To me this has shone a light on how some fans, even if they’re understandably bothered by a creative choice, can sadly go overboard. Like, I can agree with that for sure but there's also way too much precedence in executives going "Well, this thing we're making isn't the same as what made it work in the first place but we'll just go with it and see what happens" for at least realising how much that hasn't worked in the last couple of decades. I'd not as much call it a misjudgement as much as a thing that needs to change if the studios want to continue making these kinds of movies. Also, the difference between Sonic and Dora is that Paramount is part of the company that owns Nickelodeon and in turn Dora so it'd be really weird for them to turn around and change the foundations when the people who know what makes the character work are a phone call away rather than having to consult an outside company and waiting for their feedback. This didn’t need to be a flashpoint for that. If someone is so upset by a design change, or any sort of change to a franchise to where they’re badmouthing people who are looking forward to a new project, that’s a reflection on them, not the company. Yeah, he’s adorable now, but the reaction to Gremlin Sonic was a similar situation to the way some disgruntled Pokémon fans have acted towards kids excited for Sword/Shield just because they didn’t get the Pokédex they wanted. Even if you’re not happy, just let others be and mind your own business. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 15:36:48 GMT -5
I haven’t read the article (probably won’t either according to some of the comments here) but this weird idea that the old design should have been kept because some out of touch movie executive, with full creative license from Sega for some reason, thought that it would have appealed to kids is a really bizarre take. Especially when even the Sonic Boom cartoon has a more accurate looking Sonic than the original design did which, you know, was seen by kids. Eh, I merely posted it because I thought it was rather hilarious, but then again, I'm firmly in the minority due to liking the original design in its memetic and "point and laugh at" potential rather than the newer version which, while presenting a better and more marketable design for the character, puts the film into a "safe, but boring" category rather than a "legendary failure" that it would have been right now had things stayed the course. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 2, 2019 15:38:15 GMT -5
No offense intended, but I think some of you guys are taking this article too seriously. I'm sure the guy would rather see a good movie, but I get what he's saying: there's something to the morbid curiosity of a "how did this get MADE?!" moment, and in today's focus-tested-to-death media landscape it's funny to think about. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 2, 2019 16:48:58 GMT -5
No offense intended, but I think some of you guys are taking this article too seriously. I'm sure the guy would rather see a good movie, but I get what he's saying: there's something to the morbid curiosity of a "how did this get MADE?!" moment, and in today's focus-tested-to-death media landscape it's funny to think about. This is a character that I’ve been extremely fond of since childhood, so can you blame me for being a little annoyed that Sonic’s first film came close to going down that road? I've owned literally hundreds of issues of the Archie comics and still proudly own my SatAM DVD set (still wish my audition for the online season 3 voiceover had gone better); it would have sucked to see Sonic suffer the fate that's befallen so many other video game movies, and we still can't know what the end result of the film will actually be, but I think the article's making a half-joking argument that gave me a chuckle, is all. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 2, 2019 17:02:03 GMT -5
This is a character that I’ve been extremely fond of since childhood, so can you blame me for being a little annoyed that Sonic’s first film came close to going down that road? I've owned literally hundreds of issues of the Archie comics and still proudly own my SatAM DVD set (still wish my audition for the online season 3 voiceover had gone better); it would have sucked to see Sonic suffer the fate that's befallen so many other video game movies, and we still can't know what the end result of the film will actually be, but I think the article's making a half-joking argument that gave me a chuckle, is all. Sorry, I deleted that reply. I felt I wasn’t coming off well , so I apologize. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 17:16:46 GMT -5
Paramount probably believed Sega's objections were equivalent to nitpicking fans pointing out inconsistencies and didn't realize how much better Sega understood the property better than they did. To be honest, I dont even think SEGA themselves understand their own property. Look at the quality of the Sonic games in the last decade or so. |
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 2, 2019 17:20:14 GMT -5
Paramount probably believed Sega's objections were equivalent to nitpicking fans pointing out inconsistencies and didn't realize how much better Sega understood the property better than they did. To be honest, I dont even think SEGA themselves understand their own property. Look at the quality of the Sonic games in the last decade or so. Even still, Sega knows via merchandise and media tie ins how the character (especially his visual design) appeals to mass audiences, even if their work in formulating a modern Sonic game leaves something to be desired. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 12, 2019 6:47:38 GMT -5
From what is being said online from people working in the film, there wasn’t any crunch work and the animators were allowed to take their time with it. Which honestly makes me more relieved by all this. And I spoke too soon. It talks mostly about Lion King but the studio had a significant amount of work with the redesign. |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Dec 12, 2019 13:01:51 GMT -5
Executives who pushed for the original design should be outed and fiercely mocked until they never contribute to Hollywood or society ever again.
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Post by Bruce Mother Wayne on Dec 12, 2019 13:14:18 GMT -5
From what is being said online from people working in the film, there wasn’t any crunch work and the animators were allowed to take their time with it. Which honestly makes me more relieved by all this. And I spoke too soon. It talks mostly about Lion King but the studio had a significant amount of work with the redesign. This story demonstrates the confluence of several factors: - the entitlement endemic to toxic fandom - risk-averse movie studios not wanting to lose box office revenue based on how well/poorly they manage their intellectual properties - the precarious work environment for people in freelance creative industries, which causes things like crunch - the difficulty in trying to organize unions in said creative industries, and the resistance union organizers face from the companies at which they are employed - the lack of negotiating power VFX studios have with mega-conglomerate corporations when sorting out the expectations of work and pay when taking on a job - the increasing costs of living, including rent space, in metropolitan cities like Vancouver How much will people who go see this movie think about any of these things? At this time, it's uncertain. |
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Post by thechase on Dec 27, 2019 2:31:02 GMT -5
Baby Sonic!
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Post by Ganon83 on Dec 27, 2019 6:16:19 GMT -5
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 27, 2019 14:15:37 GMT -5
1. Aww. 2. Always happy to hear music from Sonic Mania. 3. Just imagine original design baby Sonic. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 27, 2019 15:16:04 GMT -5
They'd be friends, really.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Dec 27, 2019 16:50:54 GMT -5
I'm hoping somebody does a music video with the Sonic SatAM theme.
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Post by thechase on Jan 23, 2020 14:27:11 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Jan 24, 2020 2:53:05 GMT -5
The film's official theme
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 24, 2020 15:08:37 GMT -5
Seriously after the uproar fans better go watch this film since Paramount listened to them. I will be there opening night for sure. |
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