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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 17, 2018 10:52:04 GMT -5
I don't think WWE should get a pass for putting on mediocre shows though. When something is good, people react accordingly. I don't think they should either but if the live crowds just want to do stuff like this, how is WWE supposed to know what is working. That is why I am saying it is a one night thing so there is no reason to look too much into it. Crowds burn out and over the course of 5 or 6 of what at best was a mediocre show only makes the situation worse and that is all on WWE to make changes. However, if they make these changes and the vast majority of the people in the crowd are doing this say 3, 4, 5, 6 months down the line no matter who is in the match or the stories being told then the crowd has to be considered as an issue, IMO. You know they're not going to make any changes... |
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Post by flowercity on Jul 17, 2018 10:59:25 GMT -5
Questioning the motives and actions of WWE fans does not go over well on this board. While WWE does not put forward a quality product right now, the fans and attitudes of said fans does not help. I think that the people who hijack these shows should just stop spending money on the product. That is the only effective way to get the point of dissapeoval across, but for some reason, is snarled at when suggested. I agree that fans should chant whatever they want to a degree, but at some point, it does become trying to get themselves over. This idea is detested here. For some reason, even when the crowd is chanting “we are awesome” it is not correct to say they are attempting to get themselves over.
Overall, I do think the E is to be blamed for making the fans so integral to the presentation of the product. I find it hard to watch with the constant chanting at even the smallest spot. It’s a personal preference, which has drove me to New Japan where I do think the audience adds to the match.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 17, 2018 11:01:34 GMT -5
Questioning the motives and actions of WWE fans does not go over well on this board. Neither does attacking the community for no reason. Totally uncalled for. |
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Post by Richard on Jul 17, 2018 11:03:37 GMT -5
I don't think they should either but if the live crowds just want to do stuff like this, how is WWE supposed to know what is working. That is why I am saying it is a one night thing so there is no reason to look too much into it. Crowds burn out and over the course of 5 or 6 of what at best was a mediocre show only makes the situation worse and that is all on WWE to make changes. However, if they make these changes and the vast majority of the people in the crowd are doing this say 3, 4, 5, 6 months down the line no matter who is in the match or the stories being told then the crowd has to be considered as an issue, IMO. You know they're not going to make any changes... Oh, no argument there, no argument there at all. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 17, 2018 11:06:56 GMT -5
Questioning the motives and actions of WWE fans does not go over well on this board. While WWE does not put forward a quality product right now, the fans and attitudes of said fans does not help. I think that the people who hijack these shows should just stop spending money on the product. That is the only effective way to get the point of dissapeoval across, but for some reason, is snarled at when suggested. I agree that fans should chant whatever they want to a degree, but at some point, it does become trying to get themselves over. This idea is detested here. For some reason, even when the crowd is chanting “we are awesome” it is not correct to say they are attempting to get themselves over. Overall, I do think the E is to be blamed for making the fans so integral to the presentation of the product. I find it hard to watch with the constant chanting at even the smallest spot. It’s a personal preference, which has drove me to New Japan where I do think the audience adds to the match. Because the concept of "they're trying to get themselves over" and the idea that people are sinking hundreds into a night of heckling a show they've decided they're going to hate does not stand up to any logical scrutiny. It's a detested point because it's a nonsensical one. Also, "we are awesome" chants are both openly hated around here and exceedingly rare. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 17, 2018 11:11:08 GMT -5
I find the existence of this thread hilarious, as we can't even have threads for lives shows on here without half the posters going off-topic and posting random crap because they're bored. No, the fans aren't "part of the problem" - they're responding to the problem. I don't know. I don't consider chanting this match sucks, boring etc 1 minute into a match like Jinder Mahal Roman Reigns match responding to any problem. Just people with horrible social skills and no respect. As said about the Ziggler/Rollins reactions, this isn't in a vacuum. Do the fans do that 1 minute into every match? No. It's freaking JINDER MAHAL v ROMAN REIGNS One of the most untalented, unpopular in a bad ways heels, who's coming off an interminable World title reign over multiple better candidates, against Roman Reigns, who has many of the same arguments over on the face side, which don't need further explanation here. That match had no chance from the second it was booked and everyone saw it coming. |
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Post by flowercity on Jul 17, 2018 11:12:46 GMT -5
Questioning the motives and actions of WWE fans does not go over well on this board. Neither does attacking the community for no reason. Totally uncalled for. I didn’t think i attacked anyone? I thought I used pretty neutral language. I apologize if something I said offended you, that was not the intent. It’s a matter of fact that questioning WWE crowds is not a well received idea here. I didn’t say if that was a good or bad thing. It is what it is. The other night after extreme rules another poster here told me i wasted everyone’s time by posting, which to me, seems like more of an attack, but what do I know. Multiple people liked that post so I might just be wasting everyone’s time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 11:21:25 GMT -5
Neither does attacking the community for no reason. Totally uncalled for. I didn’t think i attacked anyone? I thought I used pretty neutral language. I apologize if something I said offended you, that was not the intent. It’s a matter of fact that questioning WWE crowds is not a well received idea here. I didn’t say if that was a good or bad thing. It is what it is. The other night after extreme rules another poster here told me i wasted everyone’s time by posting, which to me, seems like more of an attack, but what do I know. Multiple people liked that post so I might just be wasting everyone’s time. As someone who has posted here since 2005 and has 10s of thousands of posts there's just a certain way to post here. It's actually why I like this place. Post your thoughts and everything is fine, Just don't tell people they are wrong. You can disagree of course, but telling people "no what you said is a bad thing" just doesn't fly here. I like it that way personally. I can say whatever I want about whatever I want as long as I'm not being a dick to someone. I can mock wrestlers, just not posters, but I'm fine with that. |
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Post by flowercity on Jul 17, 2018 11:26:48 GMT -5
I didn’t think i attacked anyone? I thought I used pretty neutral language. I apologize if something I said offended you, that was not the intent. It’s a matter of fact that questioning WWE crowds is not a well received idea here. I didn’t say if that was a good or bad thing. It is what it is. The other night after extreme rules another poster here told me i wasted everyone’s time by posting, which to me, seems like more of an attack, but what do I know. Multiple people liked that post so I might just be wasting everyone’s time. As someone who has posted here since 2005 and has 10s of thousands of posts there's just a certain way to post here. It's actually why I like this place. Post your thoughts and everything is fine, Just don't tell people they are wrong. You can disagree of course, but telling people "no what you said is a bad thing" just doesn't fly here. I like it that way personally. I can say whatever I want about whatever I want as long as I'm not being a dick to someone. I can mock wrestlers, just not posters, but I'm fine with that. Me too. I agree with everything you said. I guess i’m still scratching my head at where I attacked anyone. The example of being told I was wasting people’s time was done to me. And people piled on by liking it. Obviously, I do not expect everyone to agree with me, but I’m confused as to what i said that is in any way attacking in nature, especially if telling someone they’re a waste of time is considered cool. |
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Post by salz4life on Jul 17, 2018 11:28:06 GMT -5
The countdown in the ME was awful and was nothing more than the crowd trying to be the center of attention. It had nothing to do with the quality of the show.
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Post by The Trashman on Jul 17, 2018 11:33:28 GMT -5
I doubt they hijack that match if it was AJ vs Samoa Joe or Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 17, 2018 11:39:30 GMT -5
I doubt they hijack that match if it was AJ vs Samoa Joe or Daniel Bryan. Well no, but that's because Samoa Joe would personally rip out each and every one of their throats if they tried it. |
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jul 17, 2018 11:43:24 GMT -5
Was there even that much of a problem? Yeah they did the silly countdown and buzzer, but they still responded to the match didn't they? They weren't doing the Roman main event thing and chanting for the announcers and Randy Savage and CM Punk and beach balls and anything other than the match at hand. But I'm a guy who thinks shaking the fist at live crowds is one of the silliest things message board peeps do, so what do I know? I still remember people having a go at the NXT London crowd (which I was part of) for trying to get themselves over because they were making up chants/songs for the wrestlers in the ring(keep in mind we cheered every face and booed every heel). We should have just applauded when appropriate, apparently. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 11:48:45 GMT -5
As someone who has posted here since 2005 and has 10s of thousands of posts there's just a certain way to post here. It's actually why I like this place. Post your thoughts and everything is fine, Just don't tell people they are wrong. You can disagree of course, but telling people "no what you said is a bad thing" just doesn't fly here. I like it that way personally. I can say whatever I want about whatever I want as long as I'm not being a dick to someone. I can mock wrestlers, just not posters, but I'm fine with that. Me too. I agree with everything you said. I guess i’m still scratching my head at where I attacked anyone. The example of being told I was wasting people’s time was done to me. And people piled on by liking it. Obviously, I do not expect everyone to agree with me, but I’m confused as to what i said that is in any way attacking in nature, especially if telling someone they’re a waste of time is considered cool. There's always that random post that rubs someone the wrong way so bleah, doesn't really matter. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 17, 2018 11:52:42 GMT -5
I doubt they hijack that match if it was AJ vs Samoa Joe or Daniel Bryan. Nobody would ever chant CM Punk if CM Punk was in the ring. |
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jul 17, 2018 11:56:35 GMT -5
The countdown in the ME was awful and was nothing more than the crowd trying to be the center of attention. It had nothing to do with the quality of the show. I think it was less about being the centre of attention and just an incredibly bored crowd trying to enjoy themselves after 4 hours of wrestling when they know the match they are watching can't possibly end for another 25 minutes. |
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Post by sportatorium on Jul 17, 2018 11:59:34 GMT -5
The behavior isn’t any different than chanting “what?” during promos. Give the audience a reason to get invested & they will follow along. Give them an excruciatingly long show with silly stuff on the tron and this is what we get.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 17, 2018 12:00:51 GMT -5
No. Unless they were throwin shit in the ring, tryin to attack guys etc, the answer is no.
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Post by Perd on Jul 17, 2018 12:15:06 GMT -5
Or, ya know, maybe don’t have a 4+ hour borefest be main evented by Dolph Ziggler. There’s no clearedr may to tell people they’ve wasted their money.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 17, 2018 12:26:39 GMT -5
Yeah, he couldn't even work a three way with Steve Rogers and Peter Parker without having to take a twenty minute nap under the ring; and if Cap and spidey can't get you over you ain't got no place in wrestling. Nah you want to talk about Stark's problems? Let's talk f***ing backstage politics. James Rhodes starts to get over doing his own thing, and what does Tony do? Makes him his f***ing sidekick and gives him a gimmick that's just "Iron Man's friend who does what Iron Man does too". It's crap, he just didn't want to get overshadowed at all. Then who gets booked to survive what Thanos does? All the old buddies he got hired in the f***ing first place, and Rocket I guess just because he knows if they don't have top babyface Rocket in there the fans will revolt. Everyone else who's gotten over is just gone now. It's Hogan-era TNA all over again. Spidey showed Tony up, and once he realized he couldn't control the guy and make him a Little Buddy like he did Rhodey, dude had the bookers write him off the show for a year to cool off. Black Panther? Dude was #1 merch seller, he was a massive success, set to a bigger draw than Tony ever was. Poof. Tony was informed they had written the script for the next Avengers movie. Dude didn't even read it, he just asked, "am I f***ing going over?" before flying off and smacking the popcorn out of Hawkeye's hands |
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