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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 17, 2018 13:20:39 GMT -5
It would legitimately be cheaper to develop a hobby where you pay artists to draw you at WWE shows heckling the wrestlers than it would be to buy tickets and actually do it yourself. This is the most absurd theory. Knowing some artists... Yeah... this is absolutely true. The super top notch artists who get hundreds per piece are still cheaper than really good WWE seats. And then you could cultivate a gallery of your weird fixation that you have to tell everyone over and over is not a fetish, even though anyone sinking thousands into commissions of the exact same thing totally has a fetish for it somehow. If anything it's a more effective form of protest too; you're taking your money and spending it on not WWE. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 17, 2018 13:21:38 GMT -5
It would legitimately be cheaper to develop a hobby where you pay artists to draw you at WWE shows heckling the wrestlers than it would be to buy tickets and actually do it yourself. This is the most absurd theory. Depends on the artist, and if it's in color or not. I know of artists that you'd be looking at forking over a pretty hefty chunk of change for that. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 17, 2018 13:23:45 GMT -5
It would legitimately be cheaper to develop a hobby where you pay artists to draw you at WWE shows heckling the wrestlers than it would be to buy tickets and actually do it yourself. This is the most absurd theory. Depends on the artist, and if it's in color or not. I know of artists that you'd be looking at forking over a pretty hefty chunk of change for that. I'm talking relative to really good tickets, not some nosebleed balcony shit. I know exactly how hefty the figures you're talking about are. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 17, 2018 13:25:10 GMT -5
Knowing some artists... Yeah... this is absolutely true. The super top notch artists who get hundreds per piece are still cheaper than really good WWE seats. And then you could cultivate a gallery of your weird fixation that you have to tell everyone over and over is not a fetish, even though anyone sinking thousands into commissions of the exact same thing totally has a fetish for it somehow. If anything it's a more effective form of protest too; you're taking your money and spending it on not WWE. ... this isn't about me! <-< >-> *grabs hundreds of pictures off desk and runs out of the thread.*  |
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Post by flowercity on Jul 17, 2018 13:38:34 GMT -5
Well, what's the point? It's far less expensive to hate watch a show at home. People vote with their money. I am, unfortunately, a Cleveland Browns fan. I live in Columbus. I'm not spending any more time and money on that team until they improve the product sufficiently enough for me so to do. I can revel in their worthlessness much cheaper from my couch or a bar. As I wrote in the ER thread, hijacking a crowd is wrestling's version of virtue-signaling. Man I can't jive with this at all. I think its's absolute BS that there's this upswing of fans who basically wanna G Check who is allowed at shows, message boards, whathave you, all over having "wrong" opinions. Been seeing more and more it lately and I think it's pretty damn gross personally. The people who think a lot of audience action is trying to get themselves over are told they have the “wrong” opinion as well. Unfortunately, both sides are doing this. I also think, at least for me personally, chanting in the vast majority of cheers fine. I don’t do it but the idea they shouldn’t be allowed to is bonkers. It’s when people actively try to distract from what is happening in the ring that it irks me. I know most believe people wouldn’t pay a large amount of money to do this, but if that is the case, then how do you explain the beach balls? If they are there to only be entertained and not be the center of attention, why bring the beach ball at all? |
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 17, 2018 13:41:01 GMT -5
Man I can't jive with this at all. I think its's absolute BS that there's this upswing of fans who basically wanna G Check who is allowed at shows, message boards, whathave you, all over having "wrong" opinions. Been seeing more and more it lately and I think it's pretty damn gross personally. The people who think a lot of audience action is trying to get themselves over are told they have the “wrong” opinion as well. Unfortunately, both sides are doing this. I also think, at least for me personally, chanting in the vast majority of cheers fine. I don’t do it but the idea they shouldn’t be allowed to is bonkers. It’s when people actively try to distract from what is happening in the ring that it irks me. I know most believe people wouldn’t pay a large amount of money to do this, but if that is the case, then how do you explain the beach balls? If they are there to only be entertained and not be the center of attention, why bring the beach ball at all? No one on the other "side" is saying fans don't belong there. |
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Post by flowercity on Jul 17, 2018 13:43:18 GMT -5
The people who think a lot of audience action is trying to get themselves over are told they have the “wrong” opinion as well. Unfortunately, both sides are doing this. I also think, at least for me personally, chanting in the vast majority of cheers fine. I don’t do it but the idea they shouldn’t be allowed to is bonkers. It’s when people actively try to distract from what is happening in the ring that it irks me. I know most believe people wouldn’t pay a large amount of money to do this, but if that is the case, then how do you explain the beach balls? If they are there to only be entertained and not be the center of attention, why bring the beach ball at all? No one on the other "side" is saying fans don't belong there. Touche. I guess that is a significant difference i overlooked. I guess that side is just more interested in telling me to stop wasting my time by posting than they are about going to events. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 17, 2018 13:47:26 GMT -5
Man I can't jive with this at all. I think its's absolute BS that there's this upswing of fans who basically wanna G Check who is allowed at shows, message boards, whathave you, all over having "wrong" opinions. Been seeing more and more it lately and I think it's pretty damn gross personally. The people who think a lot of audience action is trying to get themselves over are told they have the “wrong” opinion as well. Unfortunately, both sides are doing this. I also think, at least for me personally, chanting in the vast majority of cheers fine. I don’t do it but the idea they shouldn’t be allowed to is bonkers. It’s when people actively try to distract from what is happening in the ring that it irks me. I know most believe people wouldn’t pay a large amount of money to do this, but if that is the case, then how do you explain the beach balls? If they are there to only be entertained and not be the center of attention, why bring the beach ball at all? Only one person needs to bring a beach ball for a beach ball to be a thing. Out of thousands. Sure you'll get one weirdo asshole out of a few thousand, fine. It takes a whole lot more than that to keep a consistent chant going. PPG Paints Arena holds over 19k, Cole said it was a "capacity house" and usually that's a lie but there's still well, well over ten thousand people in there. That's a lot more than one person's involvement, and more importantly, you're talking at that point about being 1/19,000th of the center of attention. Almost no chance you're going to be clearly seen on camera and notable as part of the crowd, no real "benefit" to standing out even if you somehow do because like, so what. And you're paying hundreds solely to do this hopeless, wasteful, pointless, no-payoff thing. It just doesn't add up at all. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 17, 2018 13:53:58 GMT -5
That's like blaming the fans making fun of the 0-16 Browns.
Dolph Ziggler is damaged goods, he's not over, actually he's the opposite of being over, he can't draw flies to a shit factory, the crowd doesn't care about him, nobody cares about him. How would anyone expect the crowd to just not shit on the match?
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 17, 2018 13:59:01 GMT -5
No one on the other "side" is saying fans don't belong there. Geez, one time they don't let Pigs in the building and you act like there's some grand conspiracy against swinekind. Teddy Long's tyrannical reign is over, Pig, it's time to let it go! |
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jul 17, 2018 14:03:59 GMT -5
they chanted something stupid during one match, sure it was like 8 minutes in a row until wwe took the clock off the tron. but for the rest of the show (and good chunks of the match.) they acted like a normal wwe crowd does.
really the only time you can say the fans are a problem is if they crap on 99.9% of a show by dicking about throwing beachballs, chanting for people not in the ring, fighting amongst them selves (either wrestling or full on fist fight.), sat looking at their phones the entire show, getting up en mass and wandering about aimlessly ignoring whats going on in ring and so on. then yeah that's when the fans are the problem.
wwe doesn't want their audience reacting like this, then its up to them to not give them a reason to dick about or lose interest in their shows as they're putting them on.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jul 17, 2018 14:05:20 GMT -5
No one on the other "side" is saying fans don't belong there. Geez, one time they don't let Pigs in the building and you act like there's some grand conspiracy against swinekind. Teddy Long's tyrannical reign is over, Pig, it's time to let it go! we've just had an email from teddy's lawyer, you and pig have a tag team match vs the undertaker |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 17, 2018 14:11:56 GMT -5
Geez, one time they don't let Pigs in the building and you act like there's some grand conspiracy against swinekind. Teddy Long's tyrannical reign is over, Pig, it's time to let it go! we've just had an email from teddy's lawyer, you and pig have a tag team match vs the undertaker And this is why I hate working Tuesdays. |
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jul 17, 2018 14:14:57 GMT -5
we've just had an email from teddy's lawyer, you and pig have a tag team match vs the undertaker And this is why I hate working Tuesdays. only another few weeks of taking on pig or the undertaker and you get a title shot |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 17, 2018 14:17:14 GMT -5
And this is why I hate working Tuesdays. only another few weeks of taking on pig or the undertaker and you get a title shot I know how this goes. I've seen this one. Pig gets taken out before the match and then Edge steals the title. Unless... Edge and I have been the same person this whole time... |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 17, 2018 14:20:59 GMT -5
Imagine spending good money to go to a show that had little to no effort put into it and being told that "you're bad fans" for not enjoying it. A lot of those fans continue spending said money though. Perhaps if they stopped watching and going to the shows, along with others following suit things would change. But people continually watch, go to the shows, make threads about it, and discuss it ad naseum rather than using the ultimate solution in not watching anymore. I haven't watched a PPV in years, haven't seen a full Raw or Smackdown in months and it's to the point now where I couldn't even tell you who the champions are. If people just put their foot down and stopped giving Vince their time and money they'd feel a lot better honestly. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 17, 2018 14:23:51 GMT -5
Imagine spending good money to go to a show that had little to no effort put into it and being told that "you're bad fans" for not enjoying it. A lot of those fans continue spending said money though. Perhaps if they stopped watching and going to the shows, along with others following suit things would change. But people continually watch, go to the shows, make threads about it, and discuss it ad naseum rather than using the ultimate solution in not watching anymore. I haven't watched a PPV in years, haven't seen a full Raw or Smackdown in months and it's to the point now where I couldn't even tell you who the champions are. If people just put their foot down and stopped giving Vince their time and money they'd feel a lot better honestly. As is said every time the answer comes people: people have been stopping. Ratings are steadily declining, live event attendance is sinking. People are walking away. People have consistently been walking away for a very long time now as they slowly lose faith in the product being good. Zero change. But you can't know a show is going to be good until it happens. That's true for the TV show and that's doubly true for PPVs where you're not even aware of the card when you buy your ticket. There's no way to know when a really good PPV is going to happen and people are buying tickets for these shows in earnest, wanting the shows to be good. Then they disappoint, and this stuff happens. yeah, that's what I don't get with people... well why don't you stop watching?! People have... continually for years... Despite WWE getting massive amounts of money for their shows... they've lost like a million viewers in a year and the ratings trend has been going down for a while. |
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jul 17, 2018 14:26:13 GMT -5
only another few weeks of taking on pig or the undertaker and you get a title shot I know how this goes. I've seen this one. Pig gets taken out before the match and then Edge steals the title. Unless... Edge and I have been the same person this whole time... as long as you keep the live sex celebration pg this time |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 17, 2018 14:28:46 GMT -5
A lot of those fans continue spending said money though. Perhaps if they stopped watching and going to the shows, along with others following suit things would change. But people continually watch, go to the shows, make threads about it, and discuss it ad naseum rather than using the ultimate solution in not watching anymore. I haven't watched a PPV in years, haven't seen a full Raw or Smackdown in months and it's to the point now where I couldn't even tell you who the champions are. If people just put their foot down and stopped giving Vince their time and money they'd feel a lot better honestly. yeah, that's what I don't get with people... well why don't you stop watching?! People have... continually for years... Despite WWE getting massive amounts of money for their shows... they've lost like a million viewers in a year and the ratings trend has been going down for a while. But again, they haven't lost enough to where things have changed. In Vince's mind any eyes watching is something and in actuality all Vince cares about really is live attendance. Ratings aren't a big deal anymore with DVR, Netflix, and other streaming sites where you can see what happened on YouTube or get the run down via message forums. People need to stop going to the shows completely. Don't buy any of their products like t-shirts, DVDs, toys, or even search for them on YouTube. Completely cut them out and have others follow suit too. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 17, 2018 14:30:40 GMT -5
Live attendance is down too.
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