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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 17, 2018 14:32:40 GMT -5
I don't know about what fans are or aren't entitled to but I felt so sorry for Seth and Dolph on Sunday. I enjoyed their match a lot and I loved seeing them in the main event. They didn't deserve the crowd being more concerned about the clock and buzzing along with it than the hard work those guys were doing.
It comes across like people going out of their way not to enjoy something they can simply not watch.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jul 17, 2018 14:38:19 GMT -5
Nah you want to talk about Stark's problems? Let's talk f***ing backstage politics. James Rhodes starts to get over doing his own thing, and what does Tony do? Makes him his f***ing sidekick and gives him a gimmick that's just "Iron Man's friend who does what Iron Man does too". It's crap, he just didn't want to get overshadowed at all. Then who gets booked to survive what Thanos does? All the old buddies he got hired in the f***ing first place, and Rocket I guess just because he knows if they don't have top babyface Rocket in there the fans will revolt. Everyone else who's gotten over is just gone now. It's Hogan-era TNA all over again. Spidey showed Tony up, and once he realized he couldn't control the guy and make him a Little Buddy like he did Rhodey, dude had the bookers write him off the show for a year to cool off. Black Panther? Dude was #1 merch seller, he was a massive success, set to a bigger draw than Tony ever was. Poof. Tony was informed they had written the script for the next Avengers movie. Dude didn't even read it, he just asked, "am I f***ing going over?" before flying off and smacking the popcorn out of Hawkeye's hands That autograph session he attended with Steve was embarrassing. If Cap had no issues with signing all those comic covers and photos, there was no excuse for Tony to abandon his booth to go to the bar and chat up cosplayers about how he “would never job to that geek Ms. Marvel”. And then fall off the stool drunk. When Jessica Jones has to hurry you back to your hotel room away from the press, that’s a problem. |
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Post by Gawk Rivers on Jul 17, 2018 14:41:33 GMT -5
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Post by PTBartman on Jul 17, 2018 14:42:17 GMT -5
You know they're not going to make any changes... Oh, no argument there, no argument there at all. WE GOT NO ARGUMENT...Clap, clap,CLAP CLAP CLAP |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 17, 2018 14:46:12 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 17, 2018 14:46:35 GMT -5
I don't know about what fans are or aren't entitled to but I felt so sorry for Seth and Dolph on Sunday. I enjoyed their match a lot and I loved seeing them in the main event. They didn't deserve the crowd being more concerned about the clock and buzzing along with it than the hard work those guys were doing. It comes across like people going out of their way not to enjoy something they can simply not watch. They were reacting to the match though. for like the 20th time on this issue. They booed when Drew interfered and did heel stuff. the cheered for Seth's comeback they were red hot for the last 5 minutes of the match and ignored the clock for it. They counted down when they were 5 minutes into a match they knew was going to be 25 minutes longer... and was mostly made up of restholds and stalling. edit: And Seth has been on twitter and made reference too it so I doubt he minded it that much. |
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jul 17, 2018 14:48:25 GMT -5
For real, though, you all need to stop talking smack about Tony.
He’s been through a lot of shit, and considering Steve kept that secret about how Tony’s parents died, I can’t blame the guy for not wanting to sit next to him.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 17, 2018 14:50:38 GMT -5
I don't know about what fans are or aren't entitled to but I felt so sorry for Seth and Dolph on Sunday. I enjoyed their match a lot and I loved seeing them in the main event. They didn't deserve the crowd being more concerned about the clock and buzzing along with it than the hard work those guys were doing. It comes across like people going out of their way not to enjoy something they can simply not watch. They were reacting to the match though.
for like the 20th time on this issue. They booed when Drew interfered and did heel stuff. the cheered for Seth's comeback they were red hot for the last 5 minutes of the match and ignored the clock for it. They counted down when they were 5 minutes into a match they knew was going to be 25 minutes longer... and was mostly made up of restholds and stalling. They were watching the screen to be able to count along and chanted for the clock when it disappeared. That's not watching the match. They counted down more than they didn't. I just think Seth and Dolph didn't deserve it. If they're not happy with WWE then just stop going. It's not Seth and Dolph's fault. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 17, 2018 15:01:36 GMT -5
But again, they haven't lost enough to where things have changed. In Vince's mind any eyes watching is something and in actuality all Vince cares about really is live attendance. Ratings aren't a big deal anymore with DVR, Netflix, and other streaming sites where you can see what happened on YouTube or get the run down via message forums. People need to stop going to the shows completely. Don't buy any of their products like t-shirts, DVDs, toys, or even search for them on YouTube. Completely cut them out and have others follow suit too. People are leaving. There are posters floating around here who don't watch the show anymore. This is already happening. Everyone's got their own breakpoint, but the numbers have trended pretty clearly one way for years, and nothing short of you going door to door and confiscating peoples' Network accounts is going to push this change any faster. Live attendance is down and ratings definitely mean something because the company is making half a billion a year on TV deals now. Vince doesn't care how far things slide down. He never has; you can look at the New Generation and see that. The company can be in awful shape and he'll only roll with something different to f*** with competition, of which there is none. It's a zero sum game, |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 15:08:43 GMT -5
It showed that Iron Man matches are lame as f***. WWE themselves decided they didn't like War Machine matches. They have War Raiders matches now instead. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 15:09:38 GMT -5
Live attendance is down too. Not that significantly. Average North American attendance has been in the 5,000-6,000 range since the end of the Attitude Era. The average's gone down a by few hundred the last couple of years but I think a good chunk of that is the Monday Smackdown house shows that nobody goes to dragging the average down. As much as we've seen a sharp decline in tv viewership over the last 15 or so years, attendance has actually been pretty steady even with increased ticket prices. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 17, 2018 15:17:18 GMT -5
I really want to know what powers of foresight the audience on Sunday is expected to possess that they knew what the show was going to be and that they wouldn't like it, thereby making them not liking it a conscious decision that they are Wrong For.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jul 17, 2018 15:48:43 GMT -5
Well, we're never going to have an Iron Man match again because the fans would coundown and have fun. And screw them for trying to have a good time.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jul 17, 2018 15:51:17 GMT -5
Only a significant drop in income will make WWE change their ways, and as long as they're getting that sweet, sweet moolah from TV companies, I don't see anything drastic happening in a looooooong time.
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Post by flowercity on Jul 17, 2018 16:23:33 GMT -5
I really want to know what powers of foresight the audience on Sunday is expected to possess that they knew what the show was going to be and that they wouldn't like it, thereby making them not liking it a conscious decision that they are Wrong For. Whats the definition of insanity? |
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 17, 2018 16:26:40 GMT -5
I really want to know what powers of foresight the audience on Sunday is expected to possess that they knew what the show was going to be and that they wouldn't like it, thereby making them not liking it a conscious decision that they are Wrong For. Whats the definition of insanity? You really should stop with the insults. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 17, 2018 17:00:45 GMT -5
I really want to know what powers of foresight the audience on Sunday is expected to possess that they knew what the show was going to be and that they wouldn't like it, thereby making them not liking it a conscious decision that they are Wrong For. Whats the definition of insanity? I really don't knwo what's hard to believe about this, but by and large the people who've written WWE off and have decided that it's not going to get any better and the whole thing is a waste are not the ones by and large paying big money for tickets. In between "utter lack of faith" and "unconditional acceptance of the product" is this really big thing called middle ground, wherein people can see WWE's product as a flawed one with highs and lows, that when it's high is great, and when it's low is just a miserable slog. They take the good with the bad, and hope that a given show they watch or attend is going to be one they enjoy because sometimes that happens. People who love what Braun Strowman is doing right now or who wanted to see their favorite wrestler live and figured they'd buy a ticket are not the people who have no faith in the product. I know this as someone with no faith in the product. The post-GRR TV shows were a double header in Montreal, my friends went in on tickets when they went on sale before Mania, I sat it out not thinking I'd have a good time or be feeling good about the show at the time. Then Mania happened and I knew I'd made the right call. Then GRR happened and I stopped watching the product altogether. Even with disposable income enough to absolutely go, and the chance to hang out with friends, nothing about it sounded appealing to me. I didn't even watch TV that week; I read a book instead. It was nice. Wrestling fans are not a hivemind, and honestly at this point you going around in weirdo circles not being able to explain how what you're saying makes a lick of sense comes a lot closer to fitting your definition of insanity comment than someone who just wants to have a fun night buying tickets to a wrestling show. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 17:05:48 GMT -5
I can guarantee that if Rollins and Ziggler went out there without the IronMan stip and were just allowed to go all out for 15-30 minutes the fans would have been into it. I say this as someone who thinks that Ziggler is quite useless.
The IronMan stip is a huge reason why the fans had their fun, it’s an outdated concept and a long match for the sake of a long match that always follows the same formula.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 17, 2018 17:14:51 GMT -5
You're right WWE should just stop having shows then, wrestling fans are never happy and the worst and smell like butts. Enzo? |
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jul 17, 2018 17:21:03 GMT -5
No, maybe just maybe its the WWE who never really tries to adapt to modern audiences.
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