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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 19, 2023 18:41:18 GMT -5
Spoiler pics: {Spoiler}  Yeah, I love what Matalas has done with this season, but the Enterprise-G is a real wet fart. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 20, 2023 1:28:40 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Holy shit, a Walter Koenig cameo, playing President Anton Chekov. Nice little tribute there. |
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 20, 2023 3:42:35 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Yeah, a Chekov being in was a neat surprise. So I'm guessing for now, this is truly the end of The Borg as villains, given how the Queen was cannibalize her own before dying like she did. Kind of disappointed that they didn't further explain Worf's past between DS9 and now, but not that big a deal. So Legacy may be set up with Captain Seven on the Enterprise-G, with Raffi, LaForge and Crusher as her crew. Could be fun to see. Got a good chuckle at Data trying the limerick again. Nice that they are sneaky with Q and what will happen in linear futures. And of course, not counting Q's scene, we had to end on poker.  |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 20, 2023 4:06:26 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Yeah, a Chekov being in was a neat surprise. So I'm guessing for now, this is truly the end of The Borg as villains, given how the Queen was cannibalize her own before dying like she did. Kind of disappointed that they didn't further explain Worf's past between DS9 and now, but not that big a deal. So Legacy may be set up with Captain Seven on the Enterprise-G, with Raffi, LaForge and Crusher as her crew. Could be fun to see. Got a good chuckle at Data trying the limerick again. Nice that they are sneaky with Q and what will happen in linear futures. And of course, not counting Q's scene, we had to end on poker. {Spoiler}Koenig is apparently Todd Stashwick's neighbour, so his cameo was really a spur of the moment thing.
Yeah, I have to think the Borg are finally done with now, aside from Jurati's Borg Co-operative, of course. And boy, did future Janeway really wreck their shit.
Speaking of, it's disappointing no Janeway cameo. Nice as it is for Tuvok to give Seven her promotion, it would have been more fitting for it to be Janeway, especially given Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew buried the hatchet and are on good terms nowadays.
Poor Laris is probably still sitting at that bar, waiting for Jean-Luc to show up.
The Enterprise-G thing sticks in my craw, but Matalas is a self-confessed Constitution-class fanboy and wanted it that way, and I can't say he hasn't earned the right to make that choice.
I will never tire of Q, though I'm already tired of the people questioning why he's alive again all of a sudden. Mortals think in such linear ways.
Assuming Legacy gets the go-ahead (and with how successful this season has been, I don't see how it can't), I hope they take a page out of Strange New Worlds' book and give us self-contained episodes with a loose overarching plot. This season has been great fun, but Legacy won't be able to fall back on memberberries and fan service. |
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 20, 2023 6:19:07 GMT -5
{Spoiler}
Speaking of, it's disappointing no Janeway cameo. Nice as it is for Tuvok to give Seven her promotion, it would have been more fitting for it to be Janeway, especially given Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew buried the hatchet and are on good terms nowadays.
{Spoiler}If I had to guess, having Janeway (or Sisko for that matter) didn't appear because having them there would have taken attention away from the TNG crew. To some I know, that's what Seven did to Picard even from Season 1. [/quote] |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 20, 2023 6:55:16 GMT -5
{Spoiler}If I had to guess, having Janeway (or Sisko for that matter) didn't appear because having them there would have taken attention away from the TNG crew. To some I know, that's what Seven did to Picard even from Season 1. {Spoiler}Another thing to consider is Mulgrew probably did not want to return for a cameo. According to an interview last year she told Alex Kurtzman she'd only come back outside of Prodigy if he could offer her something special, which is pretty much exactly what Michael Dorn said when he turned down a cameo in Picard's first season.
Now, if Matalas were to do for Voyager what he did for TNG, I have to wonder if that will tempt her? |
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 20, 2023 9:12:12 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Holy shit, a Walter Koenig cameo, playing President Anton Chekov. Nice little tribute there. {Spoiler}Something pointed out in a YouTube comment that I missed...this is actually a double tribute. Tribute to Pavel Chekov's legacy, and in the name a tribute to the late Anton Yelchin, AKA Kelvin Timeline Chekov. |
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Post by schma on Apr 20, 2023 14:32:03 GMT -5
This was great. I still have a lot more questions but I feel that this season hit all the right notes, or most of them at least. I started dreading the return of old characters during the first season but this season wiped that away.
I balled at the end of episode 9 and I enjoyed episode ten. I will refrain from saying more as I'm not sure how to do spoilers on mobile and will have to wait until I'm on desktop.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 20, 2023 16:00:55 GMT -5
According to Terry Matalas {Spoiler}in the original script for the finale there was scenes where Tuvok, Harry Kim, and Ro Laren were rescued, Data met Soji, and Janeway was the one to give Seven her promotion. Budgetary restrictions and Alex Kurtzman declaring "This isn't Avengers: Endgame" were the reasons for those scenes being cut from the final script. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 20, 2023 18:04:34 GMT -5
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 21, 2023 15:34:00 GMT -5
It was a fine finale, not mindblowing but good, got some issues, the fanservice laid on THIIIIICK {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}And 1 episode after bringing the Borg back to being a genuine threatening presence.
Now, assimilation is just weak, even in Voyager, before it'd take months of surgery, physical and mental rehabilitation, the link to the collective have to by physically broken or only the most strong willed could get barely a word out of their own.
Now "my dad loves me, let's get this shit off my face" |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 21, 2023 15:59:53 GMT -5
It was a fine finale, not mindblowing but good, got some issues, the fanservice laid on THIIIIICK {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}And 1 episode after bringing the Borg back to being a genuine threatening presence.
Now, assimilation is just weak, even in Voyager, before it'd take months of surgery, physical and mental rehabilitation, the link to the collective have to by physically broken or only the most strong willed could get barely a word out of their own.
Now "my dad loves me, let's get this shit off my face" {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Didn't look like he went through a full assimilation. Looked like the Queen was controlling him through his biological components. I doubt there would have been drones available to do the surgical process that is normally done. Looks like he was just hooked up/given proper equipment to broadcast. |
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Post by The Captain on Apr 21, 2023 16:08:15 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Total assimilation purely by Borg nanoprobes is a slower, incomplete process. It's done in a pinch to get new drones during incursions, but there's a reason why Borg ships also have assimilation chambers. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 22, 2023 3:51:42 GMT -5
It was a fine finale, not mindblowing but good, got some issues, the fanservice laid on THIIIIICK {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}And 1 episode after bringing the Borg back to being a genuine threatening presence.
Now, assimilation is just weak, even in Voyager, before it'd take months of surgery, physical and mental rehabilitation, the link to the collective have to by physically broken or only the most strong willed could get barely a word out of their own.
Now "my dad loves me, let's get this shit off my face" {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Didn't look like he went through a full assimilation. Looked like the Queen was controlling him through his biological components. I doubt there would have been drones available to do the surgical process that is normally done. Looks like he was just hooked up/given proper equipment to broadcast. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}He was fully Locutus'd up, full suit and at the end you see scars including what looks like where the plate was screwed/bolted to his face, if he was just there with the veins or 1 small implant that's one thing, but he was head to toe teched up, unless what we thought was full conversion before were big onesies. |
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Post by Wilfred on Apr 22, 2023 3:55:53 GMT -5
Greatly enjoyed this whole season and the finale was awesome too. Having not cared for season 1 and maybe watching one episode of 2, this is the show we wanted the whole time. Teared up several times. With Strange New Worlds and HOPEFULLY a Legacy show would be one helluva combo going forward for Star Trek TV. Great stuff all around.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 22, 2023 5:14:38 GMT -5
{Spoiler}He was fully Locutus'd up, full suit and at the end you see scars including what looks like where the plate was screwed/bolted to his face, if he was just there with the veins or 1 small implant that's one thing, but he was head to toe teched up, unless what we thought was full conversion before were big onesies. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}In "Best of Both Worlds" it's evident that the bodysuit is basically a big onesie, as once Locutus is on board the Enterprise they seemingly strip it off him with no difficulty whatsoever.
Besides that, season one of Picard establishes that the Federation have been successfully removing Borg implants from freed Borg drones for decades at that point. I figure no matter how much tech was inside Jack it no longer poses a significant challenge to remove.
As for being freed from the Collective by the power of love... eh, I'll roll with it. The Collective as such was the Queen and a handful of drones, plus the ones on the fleet that Jack was controlling. It was severely weakened. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 24, 2023 21:06:36 GMT -5
Love Patrick Stewart, but man, knowing how involved he was in the creative processes of Nemesis and Picard's first two seasons, his creative instincts are terrible.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 24, 2023 22:24:32 GMT -5
Picard's proper ending was the poker game on TNG. Everything since then has seemed like he was replaced wth another Shinzon-like clone.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 7, 2023 19:23:27 GMT -5
(Non-US peeps will need to VPN for this one.)
Truly heartwarming stuff.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on May 7, 2023 23:10:00 GMT -5
Love Patrick Stewart, but man, knowing how involved he was in the creative processes of Nemesis and Picard's first two seasons, his creative instincts are terrible. Now I always had the impression he had little to do with Nemesis? I remember him giving interviews after it came out expressing his disappointment. |
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