Colt Cabana sues CM Punk

[Mister Pigwell]

Any chance Cabana mentions the elephant in the room on his show?

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Aug 11, 2018 22:13:32 GMT -5 Mister Pigwell said:

Any chance Cabana mentions the elephant in the room on his show?

I would assume that depends on his lawyer

[Bear Skin Rug]

It's hard not to rely on past character evaluations here. I don't know anyone who has anything bad to say about Colt Cabana's character. I can't say the same for Punk. Agree with the consensus though that this is all very depressing.

[1 Free Moon-Down with Burger]

Honestly. Colt must feel really strongly about this.

By essentially positioning himself as “against Punk” he’s risking losing a lot of popularity with Punk fans that are crazy devoted to him and only liked Cabana because he was in Punk’s circle.

(Mega Punk fans are alittle much. There’s a reason half the dude’s merch was Jesus imagery and got no raised eyebrows)

[BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED!]

I can't see how anyone can take either side when we know very little about the situation. It sucks that both sides look like they are going to waste more money in legal fees. I can only hope they work it out before it goes to court. Sad to see a 15-20 year friendship blow up like this.

[IgnahtaSempria]

Aug 11, 2018 22:59:46 GMT -5 BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! said:

I can't see how anyone can take either side when we know very little about the situation. It sucks that both sides look like they are going to waste more money in legal fees. I can only hope they work it out before it goes to court. Sad to see a 15-20 year friendship blow up like this.

On the one hand, we obviously don't know enough about the behind-the-scenes stuff to draw a solid conclusion just yet.

On the other hand, I've seen and heard waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many stories about Punk being a legitimate asshole to believe that this isn't at least 70-30 Punk's fault.

I remember a shoot Raven did about his time in TNA, and about how Punk thought he was the greatest thing ever even back then when empirical evidence showed that he was okay at best.

I remember Hornswoggle mentioning that Punk severed all ties with him just for asking for a phone number of a mutual friend.

I remember Chris Hero telling a story about how he heard about Punk liking punk (surprise!) and tried to start a conversation about how he had just gone to see the Deftones in concert, and Punk's response was just "The Deftones suck." Not "I'm not really a fan of the band you like", just "that band you like sucks."

I remember a LiveJournal entry Punk himself did, back in his ROH days. He was travelling with Allison Danger driving, and get pulled over by a cop for following too closely to the car in front of them. Police officer gets a K9 unit to search the car just in case, and Punk loses it. First, how dare this cop not know that this no-name wrestler is straight edge?! /sarcasm. Then, he refuses to get out of the car for the search. Then, when he does get out of the car, he proceeds to use his size to intimidate the officer. Here's a link to the blog post in question (LANGUAGE WARNING): cmpunk.livejournal.com/11306.html

CM Punk is, and has always been, a narcissistic, obnoxious, arrogant douchewaffle, and his super-fans and friends treating him like he's the Second Coming of Jesus himself means he's never had a reason to look at himself and realize that maybe burning every bridge he crosses isn't a good life strategy.

[Fade]

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Aug 11, 2018 22:13:32 GMT -5 Mister Pigwell said:

Any chance Cabana mentions the elephant in the room on his show?

I don't think so. He went years before acknowledging the Amann lawsuit.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Aug 12, 2018 0:08:05 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Aug 11, 2018 22:13:32 GMT -5 Mister Pigwell said:

Any chance Cabana mentions the elephant in the room on his show?

I don't think so. He went years before acknowledging the Amann lawsuit.

my guess is also no as Colt's Lawyer will want him not to talk about the case.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Aug 12, 2018 0:12:35 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Aug 12, 2018 0:08:05 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

I don't think so. He went years before acknowledging the Amann lawsuit.

my guess is also no as Colt's Lawyer will want him not to talk about the case.

If you buy his coloring book he'll talk...

[nate5054]

This looks worse than Punk's last two UFC fights.

Just kidding, nothing looks worse than that.

[nate5054]

Aug 9, 2018 17:50:55 GMT -5 The Summer of Muskrat XVII said:

Aug 9, 2018 17:29:38 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

"I gave up on you doing what is right a long time ago."

That's harsh to say if that's only because Colt saw some friends at Raw

Also the part about the lawyer still representing Colt without the money as long as "is no conflict between you and Phil that prevents me from morally and ethically representing you" is ominous

I feel people really seem to misunderstand the whole Cabana visiting Raw thing. Wasn’t it recommended by Punk and Colt’s lawyers that he not visit Raw, as they believed WWE was bankrolling the lawsuit and felt it could hurt them in the case and Colt went anyways? That’s always been my understanding but maybe I’m wrong

I've heard that logic, but from a legal perspective it made very little sense to me. It would make way more sense if Colt was the plaintiff and not the defendant I the case.

[nate5054]

Aug 9, 2018 20:50:26 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Aug 9, 2018 20:46:12 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Colt is a skinny Kenny Bolin.

I expect him to sell his shit headphones and sucks on the trial.

I hope Colt isn't lying about anything, because he loses this and he loses his studio.....apartment.

He's going to lose even if he's not lying (and I'm not going to assume he's lying, sorry), because there were no witnesses with legal authority present.

Maybe, but a civil trial just requires a majority of jurors see it your way, so if he can get it to that point he has a shot at winning.

[segaz]

Aug 11, 2018 23:23:43 GMT -5 IgnahtaSempria said:

I remember Chris Hero telling a story about how he heard about Punk liking punk (surprise!) and tried to start a conversation about how he had just gone to see the Deftones in concert, and Punk's response was just "The Deftones suck." Not "I'm not really a fan of the band you like", just "that band you like sucks."

I remember a LiveJournal entry Punk himself did, back in his ROH days. He was travelling with Allison Danger driving, and get pulled over by a cop for following too closely to the car in front of them. Police officer gets a K9 unit to search the car just in case, and Punk loses it. First, how dare this cop not know that this no-name wrestler is straight edge?! /sarcasm. Then, he refuses to get out of the car for the search. Then, when he does get out of the car, he proceeds to use his size to intimidate the officer. Here's a link to the blog post in question (LANGUAGE WARNING): cmpunk.livejournal.com/11306.html

1. That's pretty common. People say "such and such sucks" not "hey that's cool what a great individual opinion, worthy of being voiced! I think we differ a little on the details but man it's just great to hear your preferences!"



2. That's the kofi story, right? Where he and kofi just got stopped and it was implied it was because of his tattoos and Kofis skin colour?

[Sparvid]

Aug 10, 2018 17:50:42 GMT -5 The 1Watcher Experience said:

I felt I needed to take a look at these parts of the Chicago Sun Times article again:

However, Cabana alleges that he received an April 2016 email from Punk regarding a financial billing Punk had received from his legal representatives, Loeb & Loeb, with Punk writing, "To date I have spent $513,736 dollars on this Amman lawsuit. My outstanding bill is at least 300K. Half of all this is yours. Divide the 513,736 by 2 that is what you owe me and what I expect you to pay me. Starting now, I will no longer be paying your bills. You are on your own. Whatever my bill is currently, will be cut in half and half will be yours. If you choose to make this all ugly, that's fine too. I hope you won't, but I gave up on you doing what is right a long time ago."

It had been believed for some time that there had been a personal falling out between the two over the course of the Amann lawsuit. Based on the correspondence included in the lawsuit, that certainly appears to have been the case.

Cabana claims in the lawsuit that he was later told by Punk's attorney that he would continue to represent Cabana, even if Cabana wasn't paying the fees, as long there "is no conflict between you and Phil that prevents me from morally and ethically representing you."

Cabana retained Loeb & Loeb until March 2017, when he claimed that he was forced to hire his own representation. In the lawsuit, Cabana stated he was "informed and believed" that Punk caused Loeb & Loeb to withdraw as Cabana's attorney.

Punk told Cabana he wasn’t paying his half of the fees two years ago. This is new news to us but not to them. Why would Punk’s attorney continue to represent Cabana knowing he wouldn’t get paid? Cabana seemed so relieved the case was over but he had to know he was getting stuck with half the bill, especially when he was forced to find new representation. I’m really wondering if Punk agreed to cover all his fines if they lost but not his fees. I have a hard time believing Punk would agree to cover both. That would be extremely expensive. Something feels off about all this.

If I understood it correctly, after the trial was over the cost for Cabana's new laywer was around 200,000. That law firm then basically sent the bill to Punk since "Hey, you said that you'd pay for all the legal costs involved" and then when Punk didn't pay, they filed this lawsuit. Although, I feel that Cabana's new lawyers would've wanted to get things in writing from Punk before agreeing to represent Cabana.

[2coldMack is even more baffled]

Aug 12, 2018 3:05:34 GMT -5 segaz said:

Aug 11, 2018 23:23:43 GMT -5 IgnahtaSempria said:

I remember Chris Hero telling a story about how he heard about Punk liking punk (surprise!) and tried to start a conversation about how he had just gone to see the Deftones in concert, and Punk's response was just "The Deftones suck." Not "I'm not really a fan of the band you like", just "that band you like sucks."

I remember a LiveJournal entry Punk himself did, back in his ROH days. He was travelling with Allison Danger driving, and get pulled over by a cop for following too closely to the car in front of them. Police officer gets a K9 unit to search the car just in case, and Punk loses it. First, how dare this cop not know that this no-name wrestler is straight edge?! /sarcasm. Then, he refuses to get out of the car for the search. Then, when he does get out of the car, he proceeds to use his size to intimidate the officer. Here's a link to the blog post in question (LANGUAGE WARNING): cmpunk.livejournal.com/11306.html

1. That's pretty common. People say "such and such sucks" not "hey that's cool what a great individual opinion, worthy of being voiced! I think we differ a little on the details but man it's just great to hear your preferences!"



2. That's the kofi story, right? Where he and kofi just got stopped and it was implied it was because of his tattoos and Kofis skin colour?

No, that story happened WAYYYYYY before Punk was even on WWE's radar.

[The 1Watcher Experience]

Aug 12, 2018 4:55:52 GMT -5 Sparvid said:

Aug 10, 2018 17:50:42 GMT -5 The 1Watcher Experience said:

I felt I needed to take a look at these parts of the Chicago Sun Times article again:

However, Cabana alleges that he received an April 2016 email from Punk regarding a financial billing Punk had received from his legal representatives, Loeb & Loeb, with Punk writing, "To date I have spent $513,736 dollars on this Amman lawsuit. My outstanding bill is at least 300K. Half of all this is yours. Divide the 513,736 by 2 that is what you owe me and what I expect you to pay me. Starting now, I will no longer be paying your bills. You are on your own. Whatever my bill is currently, will be cut in half and half will be yours. If you choose to make this all ugly, that's fine too. I hope you won't, but I gave up on you doing what is right a long time ago."

It had been believed for some time that there had been a personal falling out between the two over the course of the Amann lawsuit. Based on the correspondence included in the lawsuit, that certainly appears to have been the case.

Cabana claims in the lawsuit that he was later told by Punk's attorney that he would continue to represent Cabana, even if Cabana wasn't paying the fees, as long there "is no conflict between you and Phil that prevents me from morally and ethically representing you."

Cabana retained Loeb & Loeb until March 2017, when he claimed that he was forced to hire his own representation. In the lawsuit, Cabana stated he was "informed and believed" that Punk caused Loeb & Loeb to withdraw as Cabana's attorney.

Punk told Cabana he wasn’t paying his half of the fees two years ago. This is new news to us but not to them. Why would Punk’s attorney continue to represent Cabana knowing he wouldn’t get paid? Cabana seemed so relieved the case was over but he had to know he was getting stuck with half the bill, especially when he was forced to find new representation. I’m really wondering if Punk agreed to cover all his fines if they lost but not his fees. I have a hard time believing Punk would agree to cover both. That would be extremely expensive. Something feels off about all this.

If I understood it correctly, after the trial was over the cost for Cabana's new laywer was around 200,000. That law firm then basically sent the bill to Punk since "Hey, you said that you'd pay for all the legal costs involved" and then when Punk didn't pay, they filed this lawsuit. Although, I feel that Cabana's new lawyers would've wanted to get things in writing from Punk before agreeing to represent Cabana.

I’d think so too. That’s pretty odd to me. Cabana says he had to find new representation because he thinks Punk got his lawyer to drop him. Punk tells Cabana he’s on his own to cover his own costs. Cabana gets a new lawyer on his word that someone else will pay them? The same person that says they won’t cover his costs. I don’t think that’s how a business works. I feel like we’re missing some information here. It might not come out until this case goes to trial, unless Punk decides to settle but I don’t think his ego will let that happen. 

[Abdullah]

Aug 9, 2018 17:47:07 GMT -5 timelimitdraw said:

From some cryptic comments that Kofi made awhile ago, I think he hasn't been friends with Punk for awhile. Some of the WWE folks are friends with AJ, but I think he cut off nearly everyone.

Well...

What did Kofi say exactly?

[Citizen Snips]

Aug 11, 2018 22:40:15 GMT -5 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger said:

Honestly. Colt must feel really strongly about this.

By essentially positioning himself as “against Punk” he’s risking losing a lot of popularity with Punk fans that are crazy devoted to him and only liked Cabana because he was in Punk’s circle.

(Mega Punk fans are alittle much. There’s a reason half the dude’s merch was Jesus imagery and got no raised eyebrows)

If this board is any indication, the Mega Punk fans are dwindling in vast numbers each year.

Just a few years back, this thread would have a ton of "Sure, Punk's an asshole but that's his principled style. He lives his own life, just like me, that's why I'm such a huge fan." Now most of the replies are simply, "No, this dude is a major league asshole."

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

Aug 12, 2018 8:21:20 GMT -5 Citizen Snips said:

Aug 11, 2018 22:40:15 GMT -5 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger said:

Honestly. Colt must feel really strongly about this.

By essentially positioning himself as “against Punk” he’s risking losing a lot of popularity with Punk fans that are crazy devoted to him and only liked Cabana because he was in Punk’s circle.

(Mega Punk fans are alittle much. There’s a reason half the dude’s merch was Jesus imagery and got no raised eyebrows)

If this board is any indication, the Mega Punk fans are dwindling in vast numbers each year.

Just a few years back, this thread would have a ton of "Sure, Punk's an asshole but that's his principled style. He lives his own life, just like me, that's why I'm such a huge fan." Now most of the replies are simply, "No, this dude is a major league asshole."

I think it happened when most of his "principles" got exposed as just excuses for his narcissism. Remember people agreeing with him that he deserved main event more than part timers who got top billing just on their name alone, and those part timers pushed out the guys working day to day. Then he immediately parlayed his name to get into comic books with no experience whatsoever and later on the UFC. There is no world were it can be argued CM Punk deserves UFC billing on his credentials more than Rock deserves a PPV slot on his.