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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 12, 2018 20:08:26 GMT -5
I kept thinking he hired Leopold & Loeb as lawyers and thought, 'man this story keeps getting weirder...'
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 12, 2018 20:11:04 GMT -5
Russo: BRO. BRO. This right here? I swear to almighty Gawd, this will work everyone and get EVERYONE talking. But bro, and I swear on my kids, Standards and Practices would never allow it, bro |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 12, 2018 20:19:42 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate those ones I put in bold are all work related things. It's easier to put on a face at work then it is when you're off the clock The CM Punk is an asshole outcry is more so out the ring than in
More than putting on a face, I think it comes down to the core of where Punk's stuff comes from; we're used to slimeballs like Hogan who got shitty about wrestling as much as about personal stuff, but I don't think Punk was ever really a mark for his character the same way a Hulk Hogan or even a Bret Hart was. It was all about CM Punk the man instead of CM Punk the character, and even where his professional gripes were--like wanting to even be a losing facet of the Mania main event instead of losing it to Rock months ahead of time because of his desire to main event Wrestlemania--it was always about his place in the company, not about his place relative to other guys. He wanted to be helpful to the people he was working with maybe out of an understanding that it was them versus the office when the office wanted them vs. each other. He was confident in his stardom and willing to take some selfless moves to make other guys look good when he liked them enough, because he got that part of wrestling and understood it's all fake. Real life isn't fake, and I think that's where the more surly and bitter elements of Punk end up really shining through. Right for all intents and purposes CM Punk the character, the guy at work knew how to do business
It seems the man himself isn't like that. Obviously this is a minimal example but at work he gripped about part timers (mostly legends) coming into Mania and taking spots but the man goes into a different sport and takes someone else spot without having nowhere near the credibility to justify it.
So yes, I can believe he is a good guy at work as we've heard examples of that and I mentioned one earlier about him and Darren Young. However, was that all just a face to hide the cynical man he is? Probably could be as simple as that but we won't really know for sure but can only go off examples info we have
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 12, 2018 20:21:52 GMT -5
It appears the lawsuit is for Cabana’s costs with his own lawyer after Punk’s lawyer dropped him. I thought it was because Punk didn’t want to pay for Cabana’s half of the total amount. It will have to be proven that Punk’s lawyer had a good reason for dropping Cabana for Cabana to be responsible for his own costs with his own lawyer. Why the lawyer dropped him was somewhat hinted earlier with Punk lawyer vague comments about he can still represent Colt if his relationship with Punk isn't toxic (i'm paraphrasing and too lazy to go get the original quote in the thread) |
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Aug 12, 2018 21:19:02 GMT -5
It appears the lawsuit is for Cabana’s costs with his own lawyer after Punk’s lawyer dropped him. I thought it was because Punk didn’t want to pay for Cabana’s half of the total amount. It will have to be proven that Punk’s lawyer had a good reason for dropping Cabana for Cabana to be responsible for his own costs with his own lawyer. Why the lawyer dropped him was somewhat hinted earlier with Punk lawyer vague comments about he can still represent Colt if his relationship with Punk isn't toxic (i'm paraphrasing and too lazy to go get the original quote in the thread) Will that be enough to excuse Punk from covering the costs of Cabana’s own lawyer? Punk asked for half the money two years ago. He never got it and Cabana seems to be saying Punk got his lawyer to drop him to get out of paying. Punk can say he honored his promise of covering Cabana as long as he was with Punk’s lawyer but that stipulation, having to use Punk’s representation, appears to have never been stated between Punk and Cabana. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 12, 2018 21:26:40 GMT -5
Why the lawyer dropped him was somewhat hinted earlier with Punk lawyer vague comments about he can still represent Colt if his relationship with Punk isn't toxic (i'm paraphrasing and too lazy to go get the original quote in the thread) Will that be enough to excuse Punk from covering the costs of Cabana’s own lawyer? Punk asked for half the money two years ago. He never got it and Cabana seems to be saying Punk got his lawyer to drop him to get out of paying. Punk can say he honored his promise of covering Cabana as long as he was with Punk’s lawyer but that stipulation, having to use Punk’s representation, appears to have never been stated between Punk and Cabana. But he didn't honor it was because their was no stipulation as far as we know
According to Colt, Punk said he would cover Colt's legal fees. That doesn't mean he had to be represented by the same lawyer with Punk
When they were represented by the same lawyer Punk told him this was the cost so far and for Colt to divide that by 2 and pay his half. This then lead to the lawyers statement about him still representing Colt as long as him and Punk don't have any differences that wouldn't allow him to
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Post by King Boo on Aug 12, 2018 21:37:15 GMT -5
Legalities and such aside, coming from a place of obviously not knowing either party personally, the part I can't get past is that Cabana wouldn't have even been in that (and now this) mess if Punk didn't convince him to ignore the request from WWE to take the podcast down with assurance that Cabana would be okay because Punk would take care of him.
Just... dude. Duuuude.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Aug 12, 2018 21:41:39 GMT -5
Will that be enough to excuse Punk from covering the costs of Cabana’s own lawyer? Punk asked for half the money two years ago. He never got it and Cabana seems to be saying Punk got his lawyer to drop him to get out of paying. Punk can say he honored his promise of covering Cabana as long as he was with Punk’s lawyer but that stipulation, having to use Punk’s representation, appears to have never been stated between Punk and Cabana. But he didn't honor it was because their was no stipulation as far as we know
According to Colt, Punk said he would cover Colt's legal fees. That doesn't mean he had to be represented by the same lawyer with Punk
When they were represented by the same lawyer Punk told him this was the cost so far and for Colt to divide that by 2 and pay his half. This then lead to the lawyers statement about him still representing Colt as long as him and Punk don't have any differences that wouldn't allow him to
That’s exactly what I just typed. What I still don’t understand is why Cabana would ignore being contacted to risk legal trouble when Punk is only offering to cover legal expenses. Cabana could’ve been out a whole lot more money if they lost. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 12, 2018 21:44:32 GMT -5
But he didn't honor it was because their was no stipulation as far as we know
According to Colt, Punk said he would cover Colt's legal fees. That doesn't mean he had to be represented by the same lawyer with Punk
When they were represented by the same lawyer Punk told him this was the cost so far and for Colt to divide that by 2 and pay his half. This then lead to the lawyers statement about him still representing Colt as long as him and Punk don't have any differences that wouldn't allow him to
That’s exactly what I just typed. What I still don’t understand is why Cabana would ignore being contacted to risk legal trouble when Punk is only offering to cover legal expenses. Cabana could’ve been out a whole lot more money if they lost. What do you mean ignore being contacted? |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 12, 2018 21:47:29 GMT -5
Legalities and such aside, coming from a place of obviously not knowing either party personally, the part I can't get past is that Cabana wouldn't have even been in that (and now this) mess if Punk didn't convince him to ignore the request from WWE to take the podcast down with assurance that Cabana would be okay because Punk would take care of him. Just... dude. Duuuude. And that's the heart of it all
None of this happens if he isn't listening to his friend because if this was someone who didn't have a relationship with he would have taken down the podcast quick fast but because Punk told him not to with the assurance of he'd cover the cost of the legal battle is what got him in this shit
The worst thing Colt didn't do was get that in legal writing from Punk after he said that so even when he pulled back later due to being mad or whatever the case was, he'd still have to pay it
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 12, 2018 22:19:47 GMT -5
Legalities and such aside, coming from a place of obviously not knowing either party personally, the part I can't get past is that Cabana wouldn't have even been in that (and now this) mess if Punk didn't convince him to ignore the request from WWE to take the podcast down with assurance that Cabana would be okay because Punk would take care of him. Just... dude. Duuuude. Seriously. The only reason Colt was being sued was because Punk told him not to worry about taking the podcast down. and I mean if I was in the same situation and my multimillionaire friend said that he'd handle the costs and to keep it up as a favor to him... I'd probably do the same thing... |
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Aug 12, 2018 22:23:43 GMT -5
That’s exactly what I just typed. What I still don’t understand is why Cabana would ignore being contacted to risk legal trouble when Punk is only offering to cover legal expenses. Cabana could’ve been out a whole lot more money if they lost. What do you mean ignore being contacted? I suggest looking up David Bixenspan’s posts on twitter. Cabana said he was thinking of ignoring the lawyer letter. Then he got a physical letter from the doctor. Punk says he’ll talk to his lawyer and make sure he’s 100% covered. Exactly what that means is hard to say. Punk didn’t need to convince Cabana of anything really and the podcast was never even brought up. It's important to bring that up since that seems to be a part of the narrative to a lot of people. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 12, 2018 22:35:47 GMT -5
What do you mean ignore being contacted? I suggest looking up David Bixenspan’s posts on twitter. Cabana said he was thinking of ignoring the lawyer letter. Then he got a physical letter from the doctor. Punk says he’ll talk to his lawyer and make sure he’s 100% covered. Exactly what that means is hard to say. Punk didn’t need to convince Cabana of anything really and the podcast was never even brought up. It's important to bring that up since that seems to be a part of the narrative to a lot of people. However, in Exhibit G from what i'm reading it stated despite Colt not willing to contribute to legal fees, the lawyer is prepared to still represent him and Punk is prepared to have Colt stay with his lawyer and cover his legal fees as well as long as their is no conflict between him and Punk which we assume there was at that point |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 12, 2018 22:42:36 GMT -5
Legalities and such aside, coming from a place of obviously not knowing either party personally, the part I can't get past is that Cabana wouldn't have even been in that (and now this) mess if Punk didn't convince him to ignore the request from WWE to take the podcast down with assurance that Cabana would be okay because Punk would take care of him. Just... dude. Duuuude. Seriously. The only reason Colt was being sued was because Punk told him not to worry about taking the podcast down. and I mean if I was in the same situation and my multimillionaire friend said that he'd handle the costs and to keep it up as a favor to him... I'd probably do the same thing... Damned if you do and damned if you don't it would seem
Who's to say Punk wouldn't throw a fit about Colt being scared and not doing this favor for his friend
It's getting interesting because based upon what I read and responses I see, early indications from just that little bit we got seems to make it comes across like if the court believes Colt in regards to Punk and his lawyer representing him with ALL legal fees and not just his lawyer then Punk's lawyer also has to make a case of why he dropped Colt so suddenly which would feed into the whole punk comment of I gave up on you doing the right thing
Interesting stuff
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Aug 12, 2018 23:02:47 GMT -5
I suggest looking up David Bixenspan’s posts on twitter. Cabana said he was thinking of ignoring the lawyer letter. Then he got a physical letter from the doctor. Punk says he’ll talk to his lawyer and make sure he’s 100% covered. Exactly what that means is hard to say. Punk didn’t need to convince Cabana of anything really and the podcast was never even brought up. It's important to bring that up since that seems to be a part of the narrative to a lot of people. However, in Exhibit G from what i'm reading it stated despite Colt not willing to contribute to legal fees, the lawyer is prepared to still represent him and Punk is prepared to have Colt stay with his lawyer and cover his legal fees as well as long as their is no conflict between him and Punk which we assume there was at that point The lawyer also says he’d like Cabana to contribute to his legal fees which Cabana says no to but wants him to know he’d be willing to set up a go fund me to cover the costs. I’ll make sure you’re 100% covered is so vague though. It could mean I’ll make sure you have legal representation. Cabana simply responds with thanks. He doesn’t even specifically ask if that means all his legal fees will be covered. That’s a lot of money. Wouldn’t anyone with some common sense want to be sure? Or is Cabana trying to twist things to his advantage here? It sure is strange. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 12, 2018 23:10:06 GMT -5
However, in Exhibit G from what i'm reading it stated despite Colt not willing to contribute to legal fees, the lawyer is prepared to still represent him and Punk is prepared to have Colt stay with his lawyer and cover his legal fees as well as long as their is no conflict between him and Punk which we assume there was at that point The lawyer also says he’d like Cabana to contribute to his legal fees which Cabana says no to but wants him to know he’d be willing to set up a go fund me to cover the costs. I’ll make sure you’re 100% covered is so vague though. It could mean I’ll make sure you have legal representation. Cabana simply responds with thanks. He doesn’t even specifically ask if that means all his legal fees will be covered. That’s a lot of money. Wouldn’t anyone with some common sense want to be sure? Or is Cabana trying to twist things to his advantage here? It sure is strange. Agreed.
If anything what may doom Colt is details but I would assume because their was no specifics that might work in his favor too since neither side seems to spill too much
If I had to guess because Colt is looking to show that Punk was willing to pay his legal fees (which he was it seems), then it's up to Punk and his lawyer to prove that they only meant while he was under his care and once Punk cut him loose he was finished. In addition to that they also have to prove why they dropped Colt so suddenly
So yeah the vague parts and lack of major details could work in his favor if you get people to see it that way but it can also hurt him assuming the lawyer has something else in writing proving diff.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Aug 12, 2018 23:28:36 GMT -5
The lawyer also says he’d like Cabana to contribute to his legal fees which Cabana says no to but wants him to know he’d be willing to set up a go fund me to cover the costs. I’ll make sure you’re 100% covered is so vague though. It could mean I’ll make sure you have legal representation. Cabana simply responds with thanks. He doesn’t even specifically ask if that means all his legal fees will be covered. That’s a lot of money. Wouldn’t anyone with some common sense want to be sure? Or is Cabana trying to twist things to his advantage here? It sure is strange. Agreed.
If anything what may doom Colt is details but I would assume because their was no specifics that might work in his favor too since neither side seems to spill too much
If I had to guess because Colt is looking to show that Punk was willing to pay his legal fees (which he was it seems), then it's up to Punk and his lawyer to prove that they only meant while he was under his care and once Punk cut him loose he was finished. In addition to that they also have to prove why they dropped Colt so suddenly
So yeah the vague parts and lack of major details could work in his favor if you get people to see it that way but it can also hurt him assuming the lawyer has something else in writing proving diff.
I also have to wonder since Punk clearly stated that Cabana was responsible for his half of the bill two years ago that Punk might counter sue Cabana for what he’s paid on his behalf already, stating his “I’ll make sure you’re 100% covered” only meant that he’d make sure Cabana had legal representation and that he was trying to help him out. To Punk, Cabana is now being unreasonable and trying to get more money out of him. With the information available at the moment, I would think that’s a possibility. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 12, 2018 23:38:53 GMT -5
Agreed.
If anything what may doom Colt is details but I would assume because their was no specifics that might work in his favor too since neither side seems to spill too much
If I had to guess because Colt is looking to show that Punk was willing to pay his legal fees (which he was it seems), then it's up to Punk and his lawyer to prove that they only meant while he was under his care and once Punk cut him loose he was finished. In addition to that they also have to prove why they dropped Colt so suddenly
So yeah the vague parts and lack of major details could work in his favor if you get people to see it that way but it can also hurt him assuming the lawyer has something else in writing proving diff.
I also have to wonder since Punk clearly stated that Cabana was responsible for his half of the bill two years ago that Punk might counter sue Cabana for what he’s paid on his behalf already, stating his “I’ll make sure you’re 100% covered” only meant that he’d make sure Cabana had legal representation and that he was trying to help him out. To Punk, Cabana is now being unreasonable and trying to get more money out of him. With the information available at the moment, I would think that’s a possibility. Right, Punk could counter sue which is an option
Everything depends on details or lack thereof. From Colt perspective as long as he didn't say anything "stupid" then his case is just to prove Punk said he would cover his legal fees
With Punk and his lawyer the burden of specific details will rely on them. They would have to have something clearly stating this arrangement was only meant for this circumstance because right now things that are said is vague as far as details go but we have a clear statement of Punk willing to pay his legal fees which greatly helps Colt in that regard.
We have to see if other things come out such as text or written statements that has Punk or his Lawyer saying he was only going to pay for this circumstance and nothing more. If he can't prove that then he's going have to pay up
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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 12, 2018 23:47:57 GMT -5
linkOne of pieces of evidence where Punk breaks it to Cabana about paying his half. That last line of "I hope you won't, but I gave up on you doing what is right a long time ago" oof...
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Aug 13, 2018 0:05:56 GMT -5
I also have to wonder since Punk clearly stated that Cabana was responsible for his half of the bill two years ago that Punk might counter sue Cabana for what he’s paid on his behalf already, stating his “I’ll make sure you’re 100% covered” only meant that he’d make sure Cabana had legal representation and that he was trying to help him out. To Punk, Cabana is now being unreasonable and trying to get more money out of him. With the information available at the moment, I would think that’s a possibility. Right, Punk could counter sue which is an option
Everything depends on details or lack thereof. From Colt perspective as long as he didn't say anything "stupid" then his case is just to prove Punk said he would cover his legal fees
With Punk and his lawyer the burden of specific details will rely on them. They would have to have something clearly stating this arrangement was only meant for this circumstance because right now things that are said is vague as far as details go but we have a clear statement of Punk willing to pay his legal fees which greatly helps Colt in that regard.
We have to see if other things come out such as text or written statements that has Punk or his Lawyer saying he was only going to pay for this circumstance and nothing more. If he can't prove that then he's going have to pay up
There definitely needs to be more evidence of Punk saying he would cover all of Cabana’s costs. I’m just not seeing it. Cabana says he doesn’t want to respond to legal notices and Punk tells him he’ll talk to his lawyer and make sure he’s 100% covered. That could just mean covering Cabana’s ass by getting his lawyer involved for all we know. Sure we’ve heard stories of Punk buying a house for Joey Mercury but this isn’t a green light that Punk is going to pay for everything for Cabana here. That won’t even be brought up to a jury. Just that Cabana expects hundreds of thousands of dollars with nothing concrete in writing. People just don’t do things like that. Punk even told Cabana two years ago to start paying his half. That evidence is there. I’m not taking sides here, I’m only interested in the facts and the truth. This sheds a lot of new light on this case and Cabana isn’t looking like such a victim anymore. Shrugging off the legal notifications and he wasn’t asking Punk to cover his fines if they lost either. This is feeling more manipulative on Cabana’s part the more details I’m reading. I won’t be surprised if Punk files a countersuit if that’s all Cabana’s got. |
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