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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2018 13:12:56 GMT -5
I disagree he didn't pay his dues Just because he got hired didn't automatically ensure him anything. Sure Punk wrestled in gyms, bars, and whatever else he can do before WWE came calling but let's not forget Miz was treated like a complete joke for a good while before he did anything of substance. The dude was doing hosting duties Does Punk have a right to feel jealous of Miz? Oh course, but it went past that to taking shots at someone who worked hard for that spot. There are different paths to wrestling in the big time than having to start up in shindies Miz also spent the best part of two years on the indies before WWE even looked at him, spent another two years in developmental, and would've been future endeavoured in 2007 if the team with Morrison hadn't gotten over. I'd say his dues were paid. Right
Look how long it took Miz to be accepted as a wrestler instead of being a guy pretending to wrestle. Dude went through his own hardships that shouldn't be discounted to paying his dues
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 15, 2018 13:28:54 GMT -5
It seems like many of Punks gripes have some merit to them (especially the WWE management related ones), but he just takes everything way too hard, way too personally, and way too seriously.
I hope some day he can come to peace with it all. It seems like no way to live.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 15, 2018 13:29:58 GMT -5
Makes sense to me. I’ve been resentful and pissed off at people I worked with who got promotions or raises ahead of me when I felt I was clearly more deserving. Punk was languishing in the shitty Nexus stuff, and Miz was getting to headline Mania with the freakin’ Rock as special ref. I’d be choked too Yep. I think it’s a bit much to say The Moz deserves everything he’s got, because unlike Punk and almost everyone else on the roster he spent zero time paying dues before the WWE contract came along. Has he made the most of it? Absolutely, but if he’d had to start from zero his career might have gone very differently. Miz didn't pay any fewer dues than a lot of guys who came over from other areas right now and never worked the independents, but got signed because they showed promise after careers in sports or something else. Which includes both men in the Universal Title match at Summerslam. Coming into the company through Tough Enough, wading through developmental, and spending years as Just A Guy until things started to come together for him is as starting from zero as you can get. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 15, 2018 13:58:49 GMT -5
Miz also spent the best part of two years on the indies before WWE even looked at him, spent another two years in developmental, and would've been future endeavoured in 2007 if the team with Morrison hadn't gotten over. I'd say his dues were paid. Right Look how long it took Miz to be accepted as a wrestler instead of being a guy pretending to wrestle. Dude went through his own hardships that shouldn't be discounted to paying his dues
Hell, that's a view that still exists today. Despite being a 15-year veteran, winning almost every title in the company and having more than his fair share of 4-Star match ratings from Meltzer there's still sections of the fanbase who see him as a make-pretend wrestler. The idea that Johnny Ace saw him on Real World one day and the next he had a WWE contract in his mail still gets tossed around. He sank all his reality TV money into moving to California and learning to wrestle full time. He caught a break with Real World and it got WWE to look at him for Tough Enough, but it also held him back once his foot was in the door. I get why Punk is bitter about it, but he spent most of the year that Miz was on the rise as the leader of two jobber factions, putting over Mysterio and Big Show. Not his fault, of course, but it would be like Bray Wyatt today being bitter about Seth Rollins getting next year's 'Mania main event. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2018 14:07:43 GMT -5
Right Look how long it took Miz to be accepted as a wrestler instead of being a guy pretending to wrestle. Dude went through his own hardships that shouldn't be discounted to paying his dues
Hell, that's a view that still exists today. Despite being a 15-year veteran, winning almost every title in the company and having more than his fair share of 4-Star match ratings from Meltzer there's still sections of the fanbase who see him as a make-pretend wrestler. The idea that Johnny Ace saw him on Real World one day and the next he had a WWE contract in his mail still gets tossed around. He sank all his reality TV money into moving to California and learning to wrestle full time. He caught a break with Real World and it got WWE to look at him for Tough Enough, but it also held him back once his foot was in the door. I get why Punk is bitter about it, but he spent most of the year that Miz was on the rise as the leader of two jobber factions, putting over Mysterio and Big Show. Not his fault, of course, but it would be like Bray Wyatt today being bitter about Seth Rollins getting next year's 'Mania main event. Which is a shame because dudes people hype over don't do nearly as much as The Miz but get 2x the respect. He's legit had a WWE HOF type career and he's still in the middle of it. The thing that always got me was if people watched the Real World they would know he is a legit big wrestling fan, Cora teasing him about "The Miz" and everyone looking at him funny
I don't blame Punk for being jealous. There's nothing wrong with a little professional jealousy which I think Cena has to an extent with Miz. However, harness that shit and go harder. No matter what he was always going to be featured. Hell, at this point I wouldn't even want the Mania main event. Give me one of the first 4-5 matches while the crowd is engaged and not burnt out. HHH wasn't stupid this year putting his match with Ronda that high
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 15, 2018 14:12:42 GMT -5
Hell, that's a view that still exists today. Despite being a 15-year veteran, winning almost every title in the company and having more than his fair share of 4-Star match ratings from Meltzer there's still sections of the fanbase who see him as a make-pretend wrestler. The idea that Johnny Ace saw him on Real World one day and the next he had a WWE contract in his mail still gets tossed around. He sank all his reality TV money into moving to California and learning to wrestle full time. He caught a break with Real World and it got WWE to look at him for Tough Enough, but it also held him back once his foot was in the door. I get why Punk is bitter about it, but he spent most of the year that Miz was on the rise as the leader of two jobber factions, putting over Mysterio and Big Show. Not his fault, of course, but it would be like Bray Wyatt today being bitter about Seth Rollins getting next year's 'Mania main event. Which is a shame because dudes people hype over don't do nearly as much as The Miz but get 2x the respect. He's legit had a WWE HOF type career and he's still in the middle of it. The thing that always got me was if people watched the Real World they would know he is a legit big wrestling fan, Cora teasing him about "The Miz" and everyone looking at him funny I don't blame Punk for being jealous. There's nothing wrong with a little professional jealousy which I think Cena has to an extent with Miz. However, harness that shit and go harder. No matter what he was always going to be featured. Hell, at this point I wouldn't even want the Mania main event. Give me one of the first 4-5 matches while the crowd is engaged and not burnt out. HHH wasn't stupid this year putting his match with Ronda that high
Agreed. The way I see it is given how bloated 'Mania has gotten, the main events for the live crowd go on in the middle while the main event for the television audience goes on last. |
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Post by Fade on Aug 15, 2018 14:14:50 GMT -5
It seems like many of Punks gripes have some merit to them (especially the WWE management related ones), but he just takes everything way too hard, way too personally, and way too seriously. I hope some day he can come to peace with it all. It seems like no way to live. Yeah. And you saw glimpses of him being at peace and happy these last few years but obviously the trial was looming, the preoccupation with his MMA endeavor (fiasco), and now this new trial. I definitely think he'll take the Macho Man approach to life in the future. I relate to Punk. A lot. Especially the more polarizing, questionable aspects. So it's been hard reading a lot of this thread concerning this latest stuff. As much of a mark I am for him, I admit he doesn't look good so far. Waiting for a lot of light to be shed. |
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Aug 15, 2018 23:23:50 GMT -5
Listen to Jericho talk about trying to be Punk's friend. He isn't even trying to dis him but you can totally see what a paranoid ass Punk is. Didn't Jericho put up a video behind a pay wall after punk said he didn't answer his texts because it felt like he was gonna use it for publicity? |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 16, 2018 0:44:25 GMT -5
Listen to Jericho talk about trying to be Punk's friend. He isn't even trying to dis him but you can totally see what a paranoid ass Punk is. Didn't Jericho put up a video behind a pay wall after punk said he didn't answer his texts because it felt like he was gonna use it for publicity? I remember Punk stating that the reason he didn't answer Jericho's text/phone calls is because he wasn't going to answer anyone who obviously had an agenda. What's interesting is Jericho attempted to score that interview right after Punk was fired. So in Punk's defense I could understand why he was very apprehensive in that regard. |
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 16, 2018 1:28:36 GMT -5
Cabana briefly talks about this in his episode opening this week.
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Post by Big Chungus on Aug 16, 2018 2:18:42 GMT -5
Cabana briefly talks about this in his episode opening this week. What he say? |
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Post by chazraps on Aug 16, 2018 2:38:40 GMT -5
Cabana briefly talks about this in his episode opening this week. What he say? (language warning) |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 16, 2018 2:55:17 GMT -5
Ugh I hate the new format and specially I despise every year when he goes to Fringe.
Well Colt said that he's stressed that the lawsuit got leaked, that he's happy he's on another country because he doesn't have to deal with everything that happened this week. He also said that the rumor about him going backstage to a wwe show after the Amann lawsuit is wrong, that the last time he went backstage to a wwe show was more than four years ago when he visited Hornswoggle to tape an episode of AOW.
Finally he said that he hopes the lawsuit gets settled so he can move on with his life.
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Post by abjordans on Aug 16, 2018 4:18:47 GMT -5
Ugh I hate the new format and specially I despise every year when he goes to Fringe. Well Colt said that he's stressed that the lawsuit got leaked, that he's happy he's on another country because he doesn't have to deal with everything that happened this week. He also said that the rumor about him going backstage to a wwe show after the Amann lawsuit is wrong, that the last time he went backstage to a wwe show was more than four years ago when he visited Hornswoggle to tape an episode of AOW. Finally he said that he hopes the lawsuit gets settled so he can move on with his life. I like the new format because I appreciate listening to a wrestling podcast that isn’t 17 hours long. |
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Post by thetower52 on Aug 16, 2018 9:47:06 GMT -5
Didn't Jericho put up a video behind a pay wall after punk said he didn't answer his texts because it felt like he was gonna use it for publicity? I remember Punk stating that the reason he didn't answer Jericho's text/phone calls is because he wasn't going to answer anyone who obviously had an agenda. What's interesting is Jericho attempted to score that interview right after Punk was fired. So in Punk's defense I could understand why he was very apprehensive in that regard. Jericho was also one of the guys Dr Zpack was sharing Punks Health records with in a chat with out punks knowledge |
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Post by thetower52 on Aug 16, 2018 9:49:07 GMT -5
I know "X unfollowed Y on Twitter" is generally something to roll your eyes at, but with Colt, Hornswoggle, and Mercury it rings true with Punk, and almost every wresting personality he still follows on Twitter is not employed by WWE. Only three exceptions to this: - Ronda Rousey - Eric Young - Shayna Baszler And in Ronda and Shayna's cases it's likely because he follows almost every MMArtist on the face of the planet. So he follows Eric Young, but no other wrestlers (apart from Rousey and Shayna) in the WWE? That's weird. Perhaps its because Eric is very talented wrestler who no matter how bad the booking he got in TNA, gave it his all and tried his best to make it work, so perhaps even Punk doesn't begrudge the guy having his moment in WWE. Punk and Eric Young Talk Hockey on twitter. Also the WWE network has there photoshoot show where they show wrestlers pictures and then they talk about them. They showed kofi a picture of Punk and kofi talked pretty fondly of him. Doesn’t seem like there any anmosty |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 16, 2018 9:59:24 GMT -5
Ugh I hate the new format and specially I despise every year when he goes to Fringe. Well Colt said that he's stressed that the lawsuit got leaked, that he's happy he's on another country because he doesn't have to deal with everything that happened this week. He also said that the rumor about him going backstage to a wwe show after the Amann lawsuit is wrong, that the last time he went backstage to a wwe show was more than four years ago when he visited Hornswoggle to tape an episode of AOW. Finally he said that he hopes the lawsuit gets settled so he can move on with his life. Hmm so if the Raw visit was false and wasn’t the trigger what the hell was? |
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Post by Square on Aug 16, 2018 10:02:55 GMT -5
I miss when following wrestling meant you discussed wrestling and not legal matters, social issues or playing psychiatrist/doctor/lawyer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 10:07:32 GMT -5
Ugh I hate the new format and specially I despise every year when he goes to Fringe. Well Colt said that he's stressed that the lawsuit got leaked, that he's happy he's on another country because he doesn't have to deal with everything that happened this week. He also said that the rumor about him going backstage to a wwe show after the Amann lawsuit is wrong, that the last time he went backstage to a wwe show was more than four years ago when he visited Hornswoggle to tape an episode of AOW. Finally he said that he hopes the lawsuit gets settled so he can move on with his life. Hmm so if the Raw visit was false and wasn’t the trigger what the hell was? Likely had to have been during the Amann trial, or just before, where what may have happened was that Punk suddenly thought Cabana wasn't trustworthy enough to speak on his behalf. I dunno; I'm bullshitting here, but there was a catalyst, and whatever it was made Punk decide to say "screw you, Colt!" and then stiffed him on paying for the court fees. Punk seems to have this combination of egotism and paranoia, which ironically made him big in wrestling, but is extremely poisonous everywhere else in life. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 16, 2018 10:23:06 GMT -5
Hmm so if the Raw visit was false and wasn’t the trigger what the hell was? Likely had to have been during the Amann trial, or just before, where what may have happened was that Punk suddenly thought Cabana wasn't trustworthy enough to speak on his behalf. I dunno; I'm bullshitting here, but there was a catalyst, and whatever it was made Punk decide to say "screw you, Colt!" and then stiffed him on paying for the court fees. Punk seems to have this combination of egotism and paranoia, which ironically made him big in wrestling, but is extremely poisonous everywhere else in life. Yea, Colt debunked one rumor which was the big one so it leaves an interesting question out there. Whatever it was pissed Punk off but I do wonder what could have been worse than the rumor of him going to WWE trying to get a job |
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