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Post by Nikki Heyman on Oct 17, 2018 7:44:57 GMT -5
The best Raw theme is Across The Nation and the best Smackdown theme is Let It Roll. Across the Nation was awesome, Thorn in your eye was mumbling nonsense. For SD intros, I liked "Know your Enemy" and all the neat effects around the guys performing moves. They can bring that back any time they want
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 17, 2018 8:50:11 GMT -5
The best Raw theme is Across The Nation and the best Smackdown theme is Let It Roll. Across the Nation was awesome, Thorn in your eye was mumbling nonsense. For SD intros, I liked "Know your Enemy" and all the neat effects around the guys performing moves. They can bring that back any time they want See, despite my preference for Across the Nation, I can put up with Thorn in Your Eye. "All Together Now" was what I really couldn't stand.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 17, 2018 8:56:22 GMT -5
I'm actually the complete opposite way that Stryker is, in that I don't think the "X Factor" is a real thing and "It" is an excuse promoters use to make excuses for talented guys they haven't used probably. "He just doesn't seem like a star" usually means you didn't promote him like a star. It's wrestlings ultimate self fulfilling prophecy. There are total, untalented goons who they pushed hard for YEARS and now people have fooled themselves into thinking they were great. No, it’s real. The “It Factor” is just charisma. If a wrestler can entertain fans in a variety of ways and can stir different emotions in people, that’s charisma. Or “it”. There are exceptions and different situations, but it’s easy to tell someone like Ric Flair had charisma, and Tom Zenk didn’t. It’s not quite a vague concept. 'It' needs room to grow and opportunity to flourish, if you don't give a talent a chance to let promise nature into something more, a talent will go nowhere. Flair got that chance, others didn't. The WWE have been experts in making sure promise fizzles out over the past decade, making sure only the chosen ascend, giving endless opportunity to Randy Orton and the like.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 17, 2018 12:35:13 GMT -5
No, it’s real. The “It Factor” is just charisma. If a wrestler can entertain fans in a variety of ways and can stir different emotions in people, that’s charisma. Or “it”. There are exceptions and different situations, but it’s easy to tell someone like Ric Flair had charisma, and Tom Zenk didn’t. It’s not quite a vague concept. 'It' needs room to grow and opportunity to flourish, if you don't give a talent a chance to let promise nature into something more, a talent will go nowhere. Flair got that chance, others didn't. The WWE have been experts in making sure promise fizzles out over the past decade, making sure only the chosen ascend, giving endless opportunity to Randy Orton and the like. Either you're likeable or you're not. You can't learn to be likeable and still have it be your natural personality. And unless you're an expert-level manipulative sociopath (hi, CM Punk), people can tell when you're faking it. On the other side, some people get pushed because they're just naturally hateable (hi, Orton). Even if they're not actual evil, socially-backwards shitbags (hi, JBL), there's still something about them that at first sight just makes you not want them around.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 12:44:06 GMT -5
'It' needs room to grow and opportunity to flourish, if you don't give a talent a chance to let promise nature into something more, a talent will go nowhere. Flair got that chance, others didn't. The WWE have been experts in making sure promise fizzles out over the past decade, making sure only the chosen ascend, giving endless opportunity to Randy Orton and the like. Either you're likeable or you're not. You can't learn to be likeable and still have it be your natural personality. And unless you're an expert-level manipulative sociopath, people can tell when you're faking it. On the other side, some people get pushed because they're just naturally hateable (hi, Orton). Even if they're not actual evil, socially-backwards shitbags, there's still something about them that at first sight just makes you not want them around. I don't know, a guy like PAC is a good example of someone going into the WWE who we for the most part thought would get eaten alive for not having a presence outside of being acrobatic, and he came out of it with a presence about him that could not have been predicted before. He definitely left there with something he didn't have before. I think "it" is definitely something that can be cultivated over time and experience outside of the supernatural terms it seems to be talked about with.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 15:50:10 GMT -5
Sara Undertaker was/is more attractive than Kimberly.
The fact people fixate on that part of the angle is messed up too. It implies that only a certain kind of woman can be a victim of stalking and that they're responsible for men doing it on a few levels.
The angle was bad because it was bad, not because of highly subjective attractions
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Post by fw91 on Oct 17, 2018 15:59:07 GMT -5
people are rooting for HBK to fail because he's another past name coming back, but I have little doubt that he'll be great.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 17, 2018 16:51:05 GMT -5
Either you're likeable or you're not. You can't learn to be likeable and still have it be your natural personality. And unless you're an expert-level manipulative sociopath, people can tell when you're faking it. On the other side, some people get pushed because they're just naturally hateable (hi, Orton). Even if they're not actual evil, socially-backwards shitbags, there's still something about them that at first sight just makes you not want them around. I don't know, a guy like PAC is a good example of someone going into the WWE who we for the most part thought would get eaten alive for not having a presence outside of being acrobatic, and he came out of it with a presence about him that could not have been predicted before. He definitely left there with something he didn't have before. I think "it" is definitely something that can be cultivated over time and experience outside of the supernatural terms it seems to be talked about with. Right, because tons of wrestlers become more charismatic over time as they hone their craft and become more confident performers. “It” isn’t some rare mystical power, it’s just knowing how to keep people’s attention.
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 17, 2018 17:11:12 GMT -5
Sara Undertaker was/is more attractive than Kimberly. The fact people fixate on that part of the angle is messed up too. It implies that only a certain kind of woman can be a victim of stalking and that they're responsible for men doing it on a few levels. The angle was bad because it was bad, not because of highly subjective attractions Honestly, yeah. It's ultimately irrelevant how attractive anyone in the angle may have been. The angle was bad because it turned DDP, who at least in kayfabe was a relatively nice, jam-up guy, into a STALKER, basically a lowlife excuse of a human who would stalk another human being with unclear intentions. (Also because it was yet another borking of the Invasion angle.)
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 17, 2018 22:24:39 GMT -5
I don't like it when wrestlers go and cut promos about wanting to have good matches. Kayfabe wise, you'd like to have good performances but the main goal is to win and it bothers me that some wrestlers focus more about having "match of the night" or "stealing the show" instead of winning. Imagine a wrestler whose entire character is this. So like, virtually every wrestler today.
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 17, 2018 22:29:51 GMT -5
Putting the WCW title on David Arquette was not an awful idea. WCW was in major need of media attention, and doing this could've gotten them exposure in Entertainment Weekly, Varitey, etc. Instead, no one cared, and a lot of hardcore fans just crapped on it.
DDP should not have ended Goldberg's streak like some people think.
The nWo did not last longer than it should have. The nWo was still insanely over throughout 1998, and the Wolfpack might've been more over than the original incarnation.
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Post by Main Eventer on Oct 18, 2018 1:54:25 GMT -5
A recent one but I was ok with what Edge said on Smackdown 1000. A lot of people complain that he said he was all alone after what he did in his career even though he is married with kids. Well I feel that Adam Copeland is the one married with kids while the character Edge could very well be alone due to his actions with potentially Christian and maybe Cena being the only people who he talks to on a regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 5:41:00 GMT -5
Ninety-eight percent of the wrestling community will stop giving a shit about the Saudi’s Arabia situation after Crown Jewel
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Post by KobashiChop on Oct 18, 2018 6:23:18 GMT -5
Ninety-eight percent of the wrestling community will stop giving a shit about the Saudi’s Arabia situation after Crown Jewel I'll echo the same sentiment as I did I the "Rock to play John Henry" thread. We'll all move on to something else to be "outraged" about. In a 24 hour newscycle we have such a short attention span we will find something else.
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Post by KobashiChop on Oct 18, 2018 6:23:58 GMT -5
The best Raw theme is Across The Nation and the best Smackdown theme is Let It Roll. Let It Roll should still be the theme today. And forever after today.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 18, 2018 6:44:31 GMT -5
I'm actually the complete opposite way that Stryker is, in that I don't think the "X Factor" is a real thing and "It" is an excuse promoters use to make excuses for talented guys they haven't used probably. "He just doesn't seem like a star" usually means you didn't promote him like a star. It's wrestlings ultimate self fulfilling prophecy. There are total, untalented goons who they pushed hard for YEARS and now people have fooled themselves into thinking they were great. No, it’s real. The “It Factor” is just charisma. If a wrestler can entertain fans in a variety of ways and can stir different emotions in people, that’s charisma. Or “it”. There are exceptions and different situations, but it’s easy to tell someone like Ric Flair had charisma, and Tom Zenk didn’t. It’s not quite a vague concept. <iframe width="28.100000000000136" height="7.360000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 28.100000000000136px; height: 7.360000000000014px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_94006865" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="28.100000000000136" height="7.360000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 28.1px; height: 7.36px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1323px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_70309593" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="28.100000000000136" height="7.360000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 28.1px; height: 7.36px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 324px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_78892423" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="28.100000000000136" height="7.360000000000014" style="position: absolute; width: 28.1px; height: 7.36px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1323px; top: 324px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_4627755" scrolling="no"></iframe> Right. Charisma is the difference between being a star or not in some cases, all things equal. The reason Sid became a star and countless others with a similar build and look did not, is because Sid had a presence and an ability to connect that the others didn't.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 18, 2018 6:49:09 GMT -5
SPEAKING of Sid, and I don't know how "unpopular/sacrilegious" this might be, but: if he heart had ever really been in the wrestling business, he could have been an absolute megastar
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 18, 2018 14:43:21 GMT -5
Uh, so belts.
The Attitude title and classic WWF Intercontinental are gorgeous, maybe my favorite designs ever. The “circular” ROH world title, the Ric Flair Big Gold, the three All Japan Triple Crown belts, and the WWF Eagle are right behind it.
I really think the current IWGP Heavyweight title is swag, too. World Class also had a nice world title briefly. The Impact designs at the moment are weird, but cool. I like how space-age their tag titles are. WWE’s tag titles now are crap.
I don’t mind the current WWE Championship’s basic concept, but the big W could be smaller for a little more detail on the front and it’d be perfect. The Women’s titles and Universal suck, they need their own plate designs.
That’s also why I like the IWGP United States belt, but not their IC.
The World Spinner was bleh, but the United States Spinner was beautiful.
I do NOT like the Undisputed belt that Eddie Guerrero and JBL carried. Its design doesn’t feel “World Champion” to me, the shape is more like a TV title in my eyes.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 18, 2018 14:51:11 GMT -5
Sara Undertaker was/is more attractive than Kimberly. The fact people fixate on that part of the angle is messed up too. It implies that only a certain kind of woman can be a victim of stalking and that they're responsible for men doing it on a few levels. The angle was bad because it was bad, not because of highly subjective attractions Not to mention he was doing it purely to mess with Taker, not because he wanted to leave his (not even mentioned) wife for Sara.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 18, 2018 18:48:11 GMT -5
SPEAKING of Sid, and I don't know how "unpopular/sacrilegious" this might be, but: if he heart had ever really been in the wrestling business, he could have been an absolute megastar Sid was clumsy as hell but he had insane charisma. In the Survivor Series 96 match with HBK, Shawn has the girls behind him, but everyone and especially the men loved Sid that night. Sid keeps shouting “Who’s the maaaan?”, and when he wins, the camera picks up this dejected woman and there’s a guy next to her who’s marking out.
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