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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Oct 18, 2018 19:12:40 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc 1995 is a wonderful piece of Lynchian, absurdist art and represents the type of WCW weirdness that I admire.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 20, 2018 4:34:59 GMT -5
Berlyn was a great repackaging for a great talent, it made a generic guy stand out in a way he hadn't until that point, and I say that as someone who liked Alex Wright. What happened to him wasn't his fault in any way, bad timing (Columbine), bad opponents (Bagwell and Duggan), and bad booking just killed him and made him into a comedy jobber.
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 20, 2018 5:12:21 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc 1995 is a wonderful piece of Lynchian, absurdist art and represents the type of WCW weirdness that I admire. I liked that PPV too, maybe because it was the first ever non-IYH PPV we ever ordered. Somehow, 11 year old me was genuinely excited to see a 'sumo monster truck' match. Maybe because, that same time, the TV show "Monster Wars" was one of my favorite shows.
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Post by the2ndevil on Oct 20, 2018 7:39:24 GMT -5
Berlyn was a great repackaging for a great talent, it made a generic guy stand out in a way he hadn't until that point, and I say that as someone who liked Alex Wright. What happened to him wasn't his fault in any way, bad timing (Columbine), bad opponents (Bagwell and Duggan), and bad booking just killed him and made him into a comedy jobber. Didn’t a health issue also contribute, which again, was out of his control.
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Post by petef3 on Oct 20, 2018 11:31:23 GMT -5
AFAIK Wright's major health issue was before that (the aneurysm).
I really liked the Berlyn presentation with the bodyguards and the interpreter, but as soon as he mentioned Buff Bagwell in his first promo you may as well have stamped "MID-CARD" across his forehead, which is too bad.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Oct 22, 2018 18:44:46 GMT -5
I miss WWE ECW.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jan 29, 2019 7:16:41 GMT -5
Resurrecting this thread for one that I have been thinking for awhile now...
Becky Lynch is a great character, entertaining as hell, awesome promo, and I want to see her succeed far beyond what she already has. She entertains me a great deal.
But when it comes to actual in-ring wrestling ability, she's not even remotely in the same league as Charlotte or Asuka. Truthfully, she's maybe middle of the pack in terms of her ability to actually wrestle. She's great at creating drama, and has the selling end down great. But I could probably name 10 women on the current roster who are better wrestlers.
I think a lot of it has to do with her ass being made of a substance heavier than lead. She has the raw leaping ability of a cinder block, which makes any move where she has to leave her feet look like shit.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jan 29, 2019 10:11:57 GMT -5
WWE is not afraid of AEW nor do they or will they ever have any reason to be. In fact, I don't think AEW will last more than a couple of years.
WWE is also not out to kill the indy scene, and for a huge reason: if the indies die, WWE also dies. WWE needs them to stay alive.
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Post by Spider2024 on Jan 29, 2019 11:11:13 GMT -5
I'm going to sound like a total asshole for saying this: I don't want Roman Reigns to return to wrestling. Ever.
I DO want him to beat Leukemia. I want him to live a long and happy life. Just to not actually wrestle again.
Because, for every reason, Roman's reign was terrible. Terrible for business and terrible for the quality of the product. And Roman himself was complacent in all that.
Reigns could not give a single f*** that he was getting strong reactions for all the wrong reasons. It was apparent when I watched back his WrestleMania 33 victory "speech". You could read it in his face and his voice. As long as he got his money and his belts, the fans could lick his balls for all he cared.
And yes, you could say he was justified in hating the fans, because the fans hated him first, mainly because of how horribly he was booked. But have you ever heard any stories about Roman perhaps talking to someone backstage about it? You could say that JOHN CENA of all people did more backstage to try to be selfless for the sake of good booking. Not Roman.
Again, please beat cancer Joe. Please live to be 101. But please don't come back to WWE. It went 100% wrong the first time, and it WILL go wrong again if he returns.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 29, 2019 11:28:47 GMT -5
AEW won't last a year or two without a good TV deal. Even in the age that mainstream TV is declining, it is still the best advert for your product and a major revenue stream.
I still find cheerleading the death of Impact rather grotesque. I'll never understand people hoping that there will be fewer places for guys to get exposure. Dixie is gone, Jarrett is gone, the shows are competently, if unspectacularly booked, it existing doesn't harm anyone in any way.
I find the 180 people have done on Jarrett since he joined the WWE hilarious. Good talent, lousy person, the Hardy idiocy was his doing, but since he's back in the WWE...
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Post by realist on Jan 29, 2019 11:39:20 GMT -5
I'm going to sound like a total asshole for saying this: I don't want Roman Reigns to return to wrestling. Ever. I DO want him to beat Leukemia. I want him to live a long and happy life. Just to not actually wrestle again. Because, for every reason, Roman's reign was terrible. Terrible for business and terrible for the quality of the product. And Roman himself was complacent in all that. Reigns could not give a single f*** that he was getting strong reactions for all the wrong reasons. It was apparent when I watched back his WrestleMania 33 victory "speech". You could read it in his face and his voice. As long as he got his money and his belts, the fans could lick his balls for all he cared.And yes, you could say he was justified in hating the fans, because the fans hated him first, mainly because of how horribly he was booked. But have you ever heard any stories about Roman perhaps talking to someone backstage about it? You could say that JOHN CENA of all people did more backstage to try to be selfless for the sake of good booking. Not Roman. Again, please beat cancer Joe. Please live to be 101. But please don't come back to WWE. It went 100% wrong the first time, and it WILL go wrong again if he returns. I don't intend to mock you or come off like a dick, but you have to remember that he had been diagnosed with and beaten leukemia by age 22. When you go through something like that, you probably don't really care about smarks booing you because you are not one of their favorites. Also, you said that all he cared about was getting his money from his job. So do I and everyone else who works for a living.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 29, 2019 11:57:07 GMT -5
The Rick Martel/Jake Roberts blindfold match from WrestleMania VII is great. The buildup was fun and the stipulation was a perfect comeuppance for the Model.
Dusty was underrated as a worker. No, he wasn't a technical wizard or had a lot of moves, but his matches felt like epic battles, and his presence and energy kept fans engaged. He was the Rock of his era.
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Post by pottsy87 on Jan 29, 2019 17:17:00 GMT -5
AEW won't last a year or two without a good TV deal. Even in the age that mainstream TV is declining, it is still the best advert for your product and a major revenue stream. I still find cheerleading the death of Impact rather grotesque. I'll never understand people hoping that there will be fewer places for guys to get exposure. Dixie is gone, Jarrett is gone, the shows are competently, if unspectacularly booked, it existing doesn't harm anyone in any way. I find the 180 people have done on Jarrett since he joined the WWE hilarious. Good talent, lousy person, the Hardy idiocy was his doing, but since he's back in the WWE... I agree 100% about Impact. I don't understand why people want it die. I understand when they weren't paying the talent (and staff?). But If people don't like it just dont watch. Plus forget about the talent think about the staff that are working there that need the job to live.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 29, 2019 17:30:10 GMT -5
AEW won't last a year or two without a good TV deal. Even in the age that mainstream TV is declining, it is still the best advert for your product and a major revenue stream. I still find cheerleading the death of Impact rather grotesque. I'll never understand people hoping that there will be fewer places for guys to get exposure. Dixie is gone, Jarrett is gone, the shows are competently, if unspectacularly booked, it existing doesn't harm anyone in any way. I find the 180 people have done on Jarrett since he joined the WWE hilarious. Good talent, lousy person, the Hardy idiocy was his doing, but since he's back in the WWE... I agree 100% about Impact. I don't understand why people want it die. I understand when they weren't paying the talent (and staff?). But If people don't like it just dont watch. Plus forget about the talent think about the staff that are working there that need the job to live. People seem to believe that it's preferable to have a talent they like not work at all, rather than work somewhere they don't like. What do they expect people to do? Sit there and wait for the phone to ring with a call from the preferred companies of people on internet forums? Sure their bills would mount and their stock would drop while they wait, but it's better than working somewhere that will get them a degree of international exposure and on the WWE's radar, because reasons?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 29, 2019 17:51:16 GMT -5
This thread isn't for finding a backhanded way to bitch about other fans or members of this board. Thanks.
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Post by blissified on Jan 29, 2019 22:37:36 GMT -5
I feel like i'm the only one that prefers Lawler's commentary over Heenan's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 13:35:52 GMT -5
I'm sure there's some examples of it working but whenever two huge "IWC" favorites go against each other and it's being hyped up to be a potential all time great match I'm never surprised when it ends up disappointing.
Whether it's Styles/Owens, Styles/Nakamura, even the reaction to Styles/Bryan on Sunday. It goes back even further than that, remember when Punk/Jericho at Wrestlemania was going to steal the show? Punk/Bryan matches were better but even those were "pretty damn good" rather than classic.
To get the real huge mega match feel you usually need a Cena/Reigns/Brock/Charlotte "chosen one" vs. one of those types.
Take Cena vs. Styles for instance. The Cena fans REALLY wanted their guy to win and the Styles fans REALLY wanted their guy to win so the crowd was on fire from start to finish. Whereas something like Styles/Bryan in front of a smarky big 4 crowd I don't think people are that invested in who wins/loses and just want to see a good match so you end up not having that passionate atmosphere to help take it over the edge from good to great.
I fear that Rollins vs. AJ will be one of those matches whenever it happens. It will be hyped like it's going to be a 5 star match but the crowd will sit on their hands for most of it and it won't come across that well and there will be a bunch of threads the next day about it not living up to the hype.
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Post by Venti on Jan 30, 2019 14:13:59 GMT -5
I think Asuka is the best wrestler in WWE today. And that includes the guys, too. She just has it all in my book.
I like Jerry Lawler on commentary and was genuinely happy to see him at Royal Rumble. On that note, Micheal Cole is an amazing commentator.
Mustafa Ali has a good babyface appeal but does not at all scream "world title contender" to me. He'd be good challenging for the U.S. title. He came off like a kid among men in the ring at Smackdown during the closing segment. Maybe he just needs more experience.
Seth was absolutely the right choice to win the Rumble.
Hearing "this is awesome" is super annoying to me and takes me out of the match.
I think fans should realize that WWE is primarily for families and kids these days, and shouldn't expect WWE to cater to the grown up "smark crowd" too much. Not because it's bad to have a preference, but just to save the disappointment and annoyance with the show. I've recently felt it's alot easier to watch without taking it too seriously.
And lastly, I think the IWC gets tired of people too fast. I remember online ten years ago, a huge complaint was WWE not pushing new guys who weren't Cena, HHH, Orton, or Batista.
Well they went and got all these big indy stars and technicians the past decade, pushed them to the top, and people get bored of them super fast already.
Not only that, people wanted longer matches and a focus on in ring action. WWE did that but still people never seem to be happy.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 30, 2019 16:55:34 GMT -5
I'm sure there's some examples of it working but whenever two huge "IWC" favorites go against each other and it's being hyped up to be a potential all time great match I'm never surprised when it ends up disappointing. Whether it's Styles/Owens, Styles/Nakamura, even the reaction to Styles/Bryan on Sunday. It goes back even further than that, remember when Punk/Jericho at Wrestlemania was going to steal the show? Punk/Bryan matches were better but even those were "pretty damn good" rather than classic. To get the real huge mega match feel you usually need a Cena/Reigns/Brock/Charlotte "chosen one" vs. one of those types. Take Cena vs. Styles for instance. The Cena fans REALLY wanted their guy to win and the Styles fans REALLY wanted their guy to win so the crowd was on fire from start to finish. Whereas something like Styles/Bryan in front of a smarky big 4 crowd I don't think people are that invested in who wins/loses and just want to see a good match so you end up not having that passionate atmosphere to help take it over the edge from good to great. I fear that Rollins vs. AJ will be one of those matches whenever it happens. It will be hyped like it's going to be a 5 star match but the crowd will sit on their hands for most of it and it won't come across that well and there will be a bunch of threads the next day about it not living up to the hype. I think you really just pinpointed something that's been confusing me for years.
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Post by Clint Bobski on Jan 30, 2019 19:30:37 GMT -5
I liked Demolition Crush
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