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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2018 6:08:17 GMT -5
John Cena was close to being fired until the rapper gimmick saved his career. Bruce Prichard has confirmed that prior to him finding out that he could rap Cena was in a "Creative has nothing for you" situation. Add to that this was back when WWE had no problem letting people go if there wasn't anything planned for them (unless your name was Bob Holly or Funaki), it's really not much of an exaggeration, if at all. Let’s put it this way, without the rapper gimmick, Cena would’ve been the same as Mark Jindrak at best if he wasn’t released earlier. |
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Post by mrtuesday on Sept 16, 2018 6:37:24 GMT -5
That's interesting, the stories I'd heard indicated that Burchill pitched the gimmick and it took a lot of convincing with Vince because he hadn't known about Pirates of the Caribbean and that was part of why the gimmick was eventually shelved. Seems I was wrong. That's the popular theory, but again Birchill said Vince told him Jack Sparrow by name. Supposedly, the writers are the one that hated it and that's why it was shelved... combined with Paul going out for a long time with a knee injury. Dave Lagana confirmed the story on his old podcast. Vince came up with the pirate gimmick. The writers, including Lagana himself, hated it. |
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Post by blissified on Sept 16, 2018 8:02:43 GMT -5
I don't believe Vince was close to bankruptcy before they started winning the war. He was heading there for sure. Working in the wwf during those years was awful. JJ Dillon left for wcw because he couldn’t support his family due to the pay cuts. Prichard and Mcdevitt said that the wwf couldnt even afford water coolers. Vince was so desperate that he apparently attended the cauliflower alley club to receive an award in honor of his father, keep in mind that after recovering, Vince never attended the ceremony again. The 605 superpodcast even made a great point, during that time Vince looked like he couldn’t even afford steroids. They do so much revisionist history that it's hard to know what to believe. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2018 8:13:22 GMT -5
He was heading there for sure. Working in the wwf during those years was awful. JJ Dillon left for wcw because he couldn’t support his family due to the pay cuts. Prichard and Mcdevitt said that the wwf couldnt even afford water coolers. Vince was so desperate that he apparently attended the cauliflower alley club to receive an award in honor of his father, keep in mind that after recovering, Vince never attended the ceremony again. The 605 superpodcast even made a great point, during that time Vince looked like he couldn’t even afford steroids. They do so much revisionist history that it's hard to know what to believe. They do revisionist history to accentuate the good, but I can’t see them bragging about running shows on high school gyms |
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Sept 16, 2018 10:40:26 GMT -5
John Cena was close to being fired until the rapper gimmick saved his career. Bruce Prichard has confirmed that prior to him finding out that he could rap Cena was in a "Creative has nothing for you" situation. Add to that this was back when WWE had no problem letting people go if there wasn't anything planned for them (unless your name was Bob Holly or Funaki), it's really not much of an exaggeration, if at all. Around the same time they kept Orlando Jordan around for a year of doing nothing before he became JBL's lackey, I very much doubt a better prospect in Cena (good looking, great shape, love for the business) was ever under consideration to be fired. Sure his career was going nowhere before the rap gimmick but even Gunner f***in' Scott made it six months from the time he debuted to when he was fired. When Cena appeared as Vanilla Ice on Halloween that was only 4 months after his debut. |
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Post by schma on Sept 16, 2018 13:21:25 GMT -5
They do so much revisionist history that it's hard to know what to believe. They do revisionist history to accentuate the good, but I can’t see them bragging about running shows on high school gyms It would help the narrative they sometimes push of how the big bad WCW tried to put WWE out of business (using tactics that Vince himself used in the 80s but we won't mention that) and in true underdog heroic fashion the WWE overcame the hurdle and won the Monday Night Wars. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2018 13:26:30 GMT -5
They do revisionist history to accentuate the good, but I can’t see them bragging about running shows on high school gyms It would help the narrative they sometimes push of how the big bad WCW tried to put WWE out of business (using tactics that Vince himself used in the 80s but we won't mention that) and in true underdog heroic fashion the WWE overcame the hurdle and won the Monday Night Wars. It was more of Vince self destructing during that time and choosing people who couldn’t draw flies even if they were covered in shit, I’m looking at you Diesel. |
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Post by blissified on Sept 16, 2018 13:59:27 GMT -5
They do so much revisionist history that it's hard to know what to believe. They do revisionist history to accentuate the good, but I can’t see them bragging about running shows on high school gyms Any pics or videos of the HS shows? Would be humorous to see. |
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Post by thegame415 on Sept 16, 2018 14:11:21 GMT -5
The last few Raw's of 1994 are HS shows.
Also, something exaggerated in Austin's overness. WWE presents it like he was instantly a megastar, when in reality, he didn't really get that over until his feud with Bret a few months later. I think the first real mixed reaction he got was Survivor Series 96
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2018 14:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 14:15:42 GMT -5
“WWE tried to re-cast Razor and Diesel”
I see that thrown around quite a lot when people talk about Fake Razor and Fake Diesel. People act like they tried to recast the actors and pretend like they were the same people but that’s not the case at all.
The storyline sucked, yes but not because of this reason.
If you look back at the old Raw’s on the Network, you’ll see that Jim Ross turned heel and tried to make a mockery out of the company by promising us Razor and Diesel all night, only to bring out two impersonators. It was cheap heat and it was NEVER implied that they were the same people. Quite the opposite in fact.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 16, 2018 14:31:07 GMT -5
You know times are tough when IRS couldn't afford to do a separate white wash for his shirt so it was ruined. |
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Sept 16, 2018 14:41:36 GMT -5
“WWE tried to re-cast Razor and Diesel” I see that thrown around quite a lot when people talk about Fake Razor and Fake Diesel. People act like they tried to recast the actors and pretend like they were the same people but that’s not the case at all. The storyline sucked, yes but not because of this reason. If you look back at the old Raw’s on the Network, you’ll see that Jim Ross turned heel and tried to make a mockery out of the company by promising us Razor and Diesel all night, only to bring out two impersonators. It was cheap heat and it was NEVER implied that they were the same people. Quite the opposite in fact. Didn’t Nash and Hall manage to get more money out of WCW because they thought they really were going to jump back to the WWF? |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 16, 2018 14:42:06 GMT -5
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2018 14:44:40 GMT -5
You know times are tough when IRS couldn't afford to do a separate white wash for his shirt so it was ruined. The payoffs were so bad that IRS probably wore the same shirt everytime. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2018 14:46:04 GMT -5
After watching the Owen picture, i can’t believe they survived those years, man that was pathetic. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2018 14:47:30 GMT -5
“WWE tried to re-cast Razor and Diesel” I see that thrown around quite a lot when people talk about Fake Razor and Fake Diesel. People act like they tried to recast the actors and pretend like they were the same people but that’s not the case at all. The storyline sucked, yes but not because of this reason. If you look back at the old Raw’s on the Network, you’ll see that Jim Ross turned heel and tried to make a mockery out of the company by promising us Razor and Diesel all night, only to bring out two impersonators. It was cheap heat and it was NEVER implied that they were the same people. Quite the opposite in fact. Didn’t Nash and Hall manage to get more money out of WCW because they thought they really were going to jump back to the WWF? Apparently they did. Bischoff and the Turner people were idiots. |
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Post by SAJ Forth on Sept 16, 2018 16:40:40 GMT -5
One that goes both ways! The DX Tank! WWE claims it single-handedly destroyed WCW. This board tries to counter by dismissing it as just a run of the mill segment. It was an amusing segment that did very well in the ratings and got people into the new DX. Nothing epic and nothing to be dismissed out of hand. The forgotten exaggeration! Everybody (including WWE) refers to it as a tank when it was just a jeep with a gun mounted on it. I'm waiting for them to say they had a tank of beer or something. |
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Post by Yacht Persona on Sept 16, 2018 17:30:53 GMT -5
I don't believe a lot of the Haku fight stories, and he himself has said some of them are made up by other people.
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Post by schma on Sept 16, 2018 18:21:39 GMT -5
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