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Post by TGM on Oct 11, 2018 3:16:10 GMT -5
Vince McMahon being so out of touch with pop culture is the most exaggerated story in wrestling.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Oct 11, 2018 5:45:17 GMT -5
Anything on the Self Destruction DVD, particularly the part where King said Warrior wearing a cap during the picture smash segment was bad and unusual. I don't see it. Warrior wore his own brand merchandise even in his heyday so it wasn't anything unusual.  Lawler said in another interview later that he took the hat as a sign Warrior didn't trust him to do the spot where he smashed Warrior over the head with the picture, even though Lawler had told Warrior beforehand it wasn't real glass and he was going to use the other side anyways. Sorry didn't respond earlier. I can't blame Warrior for trying to ensure his own safety regardless of the worker he's against. |
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Oct 11, 2018 5:53:52 GMT -5
I never see it get questioned but Andre's drinking might fit the bill, it's just wrestling is full of embellishments and its probably easy for it to go from Andre drank 40 beers to 50 beers and so on.
Maybe he did do what everyone says, it's just in a business where you have to approach things with a degree of sepactism
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Post by cjh on Oct 11, 2018 6:18:13 GMT -5
Lawler said in another interview later that he took the hat as a sign Warrior didn't trust him to do the spot where he smashed Warrior over the head with the picture, even though Lawler had told Warrior beforehand it wasn't real glass and he was going to use the other side anyways. Sorry didn't respond earlier. I can't blame Warrior for trying to ensure his own safety regardless of the worker he's against. I think that was Lawler's point. With fake glass that wasn't even going to touch Warrior's head, it was a safe stunt, yet Warrior still didn't trust him. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 11, 2018 6:28:31 GMT -5
Vince McMahon being so out of touch with pop culture is the most exaggerated story in wrestling. And that this is somehow a bad thing. |
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Post by TGM on Oct 11, 2018 10:24:42 GMT -5
Vince McMahon being so out of touch with pop culture is the most exaggerated story in wrestling. And that this is somehow a bad thing. Dunno, I guess it's low hanging fruit when there's plenty of weird things Vince does that can be mocked. |
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Oct 11, 2018 19:05:49 GMT -5
Adam Rose said Vince Mcmahon was meant to be the Bunny. As hilarious as that sounds, I don’t buy that story one bit. I think this is one of those stories where the idea was definitely pitched, but there may never have been any real steam behind it. |
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Post by One of the Cooler, Candid TOKs on Oct 11, 2018 20:48:02 GMT -5
Vince McMahon being so out of touch with pop culture is the most exaggerated story in wrestling. And that this is somehow a bad thing. As the head creative mind for a popular television product, this is a very bad thing. And I'd like to add Shawn Michaels's back injury to the pile. He was very hurt and needed extended time off, but not 4 years. He was an addict who was barely functioning. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 21:12:03 GMT -5
And that this is somehow a bad thing. As the head creative mind for a popular television product, this is a very bad thing. And I'd like to add Shawn Michaels's back injury to the pile. He was very hurt and needed extended time off, but not 4 years. He was an addict who was barely functioning. I think it CAN be a bad thing, but too much pop culture awareness dates your show horribly the second you're not on the bubble. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 21:15:15 GMT -5
Haven't read through the entire thread yet. Has anyone said Goldberg being ruined by WWE the moment Goldust put a wig on him during a backstage segment?
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Post by Starshine on Oct 11, 2018 21:18:40 GMT -5
Anything on the Self Destruction DVD, particularly the part where King said Warrior wearing a cap during the picture smash segment was bad and unusual. I don't see it. Warrior wore his own brand merchandise even in his heyday so it wasn't anything unusual. Another notable addition was Hogan having a whinge about Warrior mentioning he'd beaten Hogan in the WWF. Which was weird because the only reason to care about Warrior feuding with Hogan was because he'd had that history. But Hogan just cried about it being the one rule you don't break, or something. It was just your run of the mill typical Hogan horseshit. |
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 11, 2018 21:38:31 GMT -5
Vince McMahon being so out of touch with pop culture is the most exaggerated story in wrestling. And that this is somehow a bad thing. Yeah, remember when they did do pop culture related stuff like have Big Show as Fat Bastard? Not something that needs to be revisited. |
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Post by One of the Cooler, Candid TOKs on Oct 11, 2018 22:09:57 GMT -5
As the head creative mind for a popular television product, this is a very bad thing. And I'd like to add Shawn Michaels's back injury to the pile. He was very hurt and needed extended time off, but not 4 years. He was an addict who was barely functioning. I think it CAN be a bad thing, but too much pop culture awareness dates your show horribly the second you're not on the bubble. There's a difference between being able to make a product that fits the modern zeitgeist and having stupid references that don't fit even if current. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 12, 2018 2:03:53 GMT -5
Haven't read through the entire thread yet. Has anyone said Goldberg being ruined by WWE the moment Goldust put a wig on him during a backstage segment? Oh God, thanks for saying. People over sell this so much like Goldberg was immediately buried. Summerslam killed him. This skit definitely didn't. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 12, 2018 4:40:15 GMT -5
And that this is somehow a bad thing. And I'd like to add Shawn Michaels's back injury to the pile. He was very hurt and needed extended time off, but not 4 years. He was an addict who was barely functioning. I don't agree at all. Wrestling is its own form of entertainment. There's no reason it should or needs to borrow from other forms of pop culture. Being aware of what's going on in movies or music isn't a prerequisite for running a wrestling company, and if Vince has no interest in it, it doesn't stop him from being good at his job. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 12, 2018 9:58:36 GMT -5
I don't agree at all. Wrestling is its own form of entertainment. There's no reason it should or needs to borrow from other forms of pop culture. Being aware of what's going on in movies or music isn't a prerequisite for running a wrestling company, and if Vince has no interest in it, it doesn't stop him from being good at his job. So, what has been stopping Vince from being good at his job? |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 12, 2018 11:09:18 GMT -5
I don't agree at all. Wrestling is its own form of entertainment. There's no reason it should or needs to borrow from other forms of pop culture. Being aware of what's going on in movies or music isn't a prerequisite for running a wrestling company, and if Vince has no interest in it, it doesn't stop him from being good at his job. So, what has been stopping Vince from being good at his job? If you think the failures of WWE are down to his lack of knowledge of pop culture then I don't know what to tell you. He had the same lack of knowledge in the Hogan and Austin eras as he does now. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 12, 2018 11:50:17 GMT -5
So, what has been stopping Vince from being good at his job? If you think the failures of WWE are down to his lack of knowledge of pop culture then I don't know what to tell you. He had the same lack of knowledge in the Hogan and Austin eras as he does now. No but that's just it, he didn't have that same lack of knowledge. The Hogan era was an era custom-built for the '80s, where a big, musclebound American good guy hero vanquished monsters and foreigners. You can't miss the "rock" part of the Rock & Wrestling era, and what tapping into MTV and the glitzy, big time '80s production did for Vince McMahon. He offered what was at the time a very modern product fulfilling the exact same sensibilities and expectations you could see all over Hollywood. Hulk Hogan was the Arnold or the Stallone of the wrestling world and none of the presentation of a big guy coming out with a song blasting about how he's a real American who fights for the rights of every man was out of step with Hollywood's action offerings at the time. Vince McMahon's cultural understanding reference base was perfect for that era and a big factor in his being able to win out against his competitors was his ability to put on an incredibly modern and and mainstreamable product. Then the '90s rolled around, and there are a lot of reasons why the company struggled but creatively there was something very out of step with what people wanted, because the cultural tides in the early '90s shifted away from the neon, cocaine-fueled hyperpatriotic veneer of the decade. The early '90s brought grunge, gangsta rap into the mainstream, Pulp Fiction. Vince's product wasn't able to live up creatively to that and they began bleeding viewers, while ECW was able to start finding the spark of a more modern product, and WCW began to turn the tides with things like the NWO. To that end, the success of the Attitude Era is everything to do with cultural knowledge. Maybe not Vince's, but certainly the people Vince listened to. He made an edgier product that is such the utter distillation of the late '90s that you could pass it off as parody. Everything they did with the sex, vulgarity, violence, characters they showed, hazy gray 'morality' where your good guys are all dicks... It was all 100% on the nose. Vince's biggest boom periods came from tapping into the cultural zeitgeist and I really don't think there's a case to be made otherwise there. |
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Post by segaz on Oct 12, 2018 15:21:11 GMT -5
Without a doubt, the one that gets me the most, the one that really is misunderstood in my book (besides Bret having grounds to not want to drop the belt) is....
Finger
Poke
Of
Doom.
Listen to fans these days, they act as if everyone hated it, and it was booed and wcws ratings were lower next nitro, and it killed the company etc etc....
When none of that is true
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 12, 2018 15:33:37 GMT -5
You know times are tough when IRS couldn't afford to do a separate white wash for his shirt so it was ruined. The payoffs were so bad that IRS probably wore the same shirt everytime. To be far this was BEFORE Shawn mega Main Event Push. |
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