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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 20:42:40 GMT -5
they will beat anyone’s offer for talent, although they did not do so in the case of Chris Jericho. Something about this line is hilarious to me. I'm imagining Jericho showing up at Titan Towers with a big grin and a copy of his AEW offer, only for Hunter to laugh and shut the door in his face. Fedex's Jericho an empty box ala what wcw did to him :,]
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 17, 2019 20:52:08 GMT -5
I will say this: I love threads like this, because it brings out the on the sly pro-monopoly types, and I like to be aware of where those dudes heads are at. Bruh...this ain't a war lol. On the real I'll be honest, once I'm done with a discussion 99% of the time I forget about who I was responding to in one thread and let that be it. After this thread's done with I'm not going to remember who disagreed with me because at the end of the day we're just people on a forum. This isn't chess lol. It’s also an opinion so it’s really not that serious either lol. We should be able to discuss without feeling the need to see where people head is at and just move on to the next You can tell me you like cucumbers and I’m not going be like I ain’t dealing with cucumber eating bastard no more (I might be lying tho lol)
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 17, 2019 21:06:45 GMT -5
I want to throw my two cents in here and say that any company that takes Hulk Hogan to Saudi Arabia for a PR stunt is inherently shitty in all of it's actions no matter the intention. They've shown over and over again year after year that they don't give a shit about anything. This isn't some pro wrestler type thing, they don't give a f***. Why not raise everyone's wage if you can f***ing afford it? Why not class wrestlers as employees? They just want talent because they can. You send off talent to the main roster and instead of that holding any potential like it did 10 or 15 years ago it's basically the end of your ass. Like I can't even tell you if Bobby Roode or Sami Zayn are still employed. All that NXT goodwill disappears after a short while and the NXT people need another set of fresh talent with indy cred to chant at. Rinse, repeat.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 17, 2019 21:12:11 GMT -5
Also to add; Take out those f***ing clauses from partner companies where they can close them if they want to for PROGRESS, and ICW. Will they use them? Probably not because that’d wreck their relationship in the UK with fans but the fact it’s there is concern enough even if it’s a “usual clause” or whatever. Their whole handling of the UK scene is really not cause for anything but "Oh man this is bad isn't it" across the board. Big talent land grab and partner promotions who get table scraps, and quickly the deal went in directions way beyond the EVOLVE deal in scope. Suddenly the talent is getting yanked from everything and all the partner promotions are in awkward positions, while NXT UK has become officially a thing with a performance center and everything, and it's all just so weird and purposeless. Like what I've seen of the shows is all fine, albeit without the spark of really good writing that pulled me into PROGRESS, but what's the endgame there? Is a small roster full of UK talents really being prepped for main roster show time? Or is it really just about holding onto a whole bunch of people, plucking out a handful of standouts for the big show, and keeping everyone else in limbo until the scene cools off? Is it really just about smothering local scenes and replacing them with franchised WWE products tailor-made to suit the same local indie scene feel with none of the danger of competition? Do these partnered indies get to live on as a feeder system up to the scene's warming shelf? There's a lot to be realistically worried about in the moves they're making and a lot to be concerned about given the company's history and when you look at this all on the whole.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 17, 2019 21:20:25 GMT -5
I will say this: I love threads like this, because it brings out the on the sly pro-monopoly types, and I like to be aware of where those dudes heads are at. Or they just have a different opinion and there’s no need to throw shade and insult solely because you disagree with them. That's damn near past insult and heading towards threat, honestly.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 17, 2019 21:31:10 GMT -5
I have some thoughts here
1) I see some people questioning why does the WWE need to sign so many guys and I find it pretty simple. If the WWE signs 10 guys and 1 of them turns into a Seth Rollins level main eventer then that basically pays off the cost for the other 9 guys. So in WWE's mind if the hit ratio is 1 out of 10 (or whatever it is) then it's best to up your odds by signing more superstars. It's the same approach in soccer where teams like Barcelona/Man City just buy a bunch of young kids expecting most of them to fail but if you hit one 1 or 2 of them, you made your money back+more in the long run.
2) In terms of why wrestlers sign with WWE ignoring the cash and just looking at the booking I find it pretty straightforward. Most wrestlers male and women probably think very highly of themselves and in their minds, they have the talent to get to the top. Whether it's true or not they have the belief they are the top 1% of talent and they think once they get into the WWE machine they will shine through. And if you can be a star it's best to be a star for WWE.
3) In terms of long term health of wrestling something that has not been mention yet is the increase in pay could lead to more people wanting to pick up the sport. There are so many athletes that could be wrestlers but choose to play other sports that seeing the payment for even unproven talent can lead to more people choosing the career path. If wrestling schools/small indies can point to what AEW/WWE/NJPW can pay you then I imagine there could be an uptick in new talent being pumped into the system.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 17, 2019 21:31:47 GMT -5
Here's something that I'm not sure was ever asked. 1. What's the best possible outcome in your opinion from this and AEW? 2. How much do you wish wrestlers were paid? You can compare the dollars to other sports or industries. 3. Would you let WWE still be the biggest on the block? Would you want others overtaking it? 4. Five years from now, what's the best possible position you'd want to see this industry that's actually reachable? Basically, what do you all want from this whole thing? I know most will say "I want all wrestlers paid more and I want the industry to thrive where everyone gets a chance to be great" but break down what you actually mean by that and how that's possible because that can mean a variety of different things. From where I'm seeing I think most people would rather WWE/AEW and the rest to be sort of Playstation/Nintendo/Microsoft but even that comparison has some issues with it. 1. Just for wrestling to be generally healthy and interesting. I want the best wrestlers with the best characters in the best stories having the best matches they can, no matter which company it is. Whether that actually brings better TV ratings and more subscriptions to WWE Network or whatever AEW does or not is just down to luck, but hopefully it would. 2. Ideally, for the amount of work they do, a wrestler in a major company should be paid in a comparable amount to a top sports star. The wrestling season never stops, not just in WWE, but everywhere. But it’s near impossible to gauge who should get the most. In real sports, it’s f***ing easy as pie, whoever the best player is gets the biggest contracts. In wrestling, you’re only as good as you’re written to be so it’s a complete crapshoot. 3. If they’re putting in the work to warrant it and aren’t just there because they’ve always been, then sure. If other companies like AEW eventually get big enough to compete with and possibly pass WWE, then I’m fine with that 4. Basically #1. That everyone gets their fair shots and whoever is in charge of either company allows the cream to naturally rise to the top of the card off the back of good writing and booking. I don't see the top guys in wrestling EVER getting say, LeBron James money. I just can't see any promoter being willing to drop damn near $40 Million a year on any wrestler.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 21:43:00 GMT -5
Just for the hilarity of it all I would love to see a company like apple get into the wrestling game and throw down a 50mil contract on a talent.
I just imagine it being like a DBZ size crater on the wrestling world.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 17, 2019 21:44:53 GMT -5
Also, keep in mind that WWE creates more value in guys for when they do leave to explore these other opportunities. There is no Revival without WWE. Without WWE being able to afford paying these guys while they learn to become good wrestlers and then try different things such as singles careers, other teams, and ultimately being put together, they have no equity to create any value and bargaining power for themselves.
Like... How does WWE misuse something that only was used right by them?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 17, 2019 21:51:21 GMT -5
In the end, these guys have free will, and can do whatever they want to do. I just hope this doesn't turn into the situation where WWE wants all the cookies but they already have cakes and pies to the point people are already asking for releases
People can do what is right by them and how they want to live their lives, and hell, if they do it like Mike and Maria did, they'll make a killing and then get out and go for something new. In the end, it's on WWE for being so self conscious about their product and other potential rising stars, that they gotta do this to themselves.
In the end, the wrestlers will benefit. Whether it's WWE, AEW, Japan, wherever. It's looking like the most choice these guys have had on a positive scale in decades.
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Post by MrElijah on Jan 17, 2019 21:51:53 GMT -5
With all the information, speculation and everything, the next.....say 12-15 months is going to be VERY interesting.
-WWE is trying to hold it's grip/HHH is going with his NXT vision/NWA wetdream -NJPW is expanding -AEW is the wild card and has money -LU has those tricky contracts/AAA insanity seeping through -UK Wrestling has grown but seems to be divided up via WWE & NJPW -RoH has a MSG Date(w/NJPW) -PWG actually moved to a bigger venue -MLW will probably start trying to lock down people -Mexico is still Mexico, dammit. -And somehow, despite EVERYTHING, Impact is still alive
We're in for interesting times.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 17, 2019 21:52:34 GMT -5
I will say this: I love threads like this, because it brings out the on the sly pro-monopoly types, and I like to be aware of where those dudes heads are at. This kinda sorta most definitely crossed into the "you're doing way too damn much" side of things. Like, you gotta dial it back in these discussions from here on out. Get yourself together and all calm and shit, or avoid the topics.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 17, 2019 22:28:18 GMT -5
The solution to a bloated roster is simple. NXT’s for every state in the country. NXT 50 state Initiative? I for one, look forward to the Great Lakes roster of ragtag ne'er-do-wells and lovable scamps.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 17, 2019 22:34:22 GMT -5
The solution to a bloated roster is simple. NXT’s for every state in the country. NXT 50 state Initiative? I for one, look forward to the Great Lakes roster of ragtag ne'er-do-wells and lovable scamps. I want NXT-Michigan to directly be a WWE version of Juggalo Championship Wrestling.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 17, 2019 22:42:15 GMT -5
NXT 50 state Initiative? I for one, look forward to the Great Lakes roster of ragtag ne'er-do-wells and lovable scamps. I want NXT-Michigan to directly be a WWE version of Juggalo Championship Wrestling.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 17, 2019 22:43:56 GMT -5
I want NXT-Michigan to directly be a WWE version of Juggalo Championship Wrestling. Stragglermania!
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 17, 2019 22:46:19 GMT -5
I guess I see both sides.
Obviously wrestling is a tough business so if someone can get the best deal possible I'm happy for them, regardless of the intent by the company.
On the other hand as someone who wants an all out competition between two companies because it's the only thing that'll really make wrestling interesting again...sigh.
Then again, don't AEW have the money to spend too? If they're willing to play ball this could get interesting.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 17, 2019 22:58:53 GMT -5
NXT 50 state Initiative? I for one, look forward to the Great Lakes roster of ragtag ne'er-do-wells and lovable scamps. I want NXT-Michigan to directly be a WWE version of Juggalo Championship Wrestling. tired: Cody Rhodes leaving changed wrestling inspired: TNA signing the Ring Rydas changed wrestling
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Post by Error on Jan 17, 2019 23:00:28 GMT -5
I guess I see both sides. Obviously wrestling is a tough business so if someone can get the best deal possible I'm happy for them, regardless of the intent by the company. On the other hand as someone who wants an all out competition between two companies because it's the only thing that'll really make wrestling interesting again...sigh. Then again, don't AEW have the money to spend too? If they're willing to play ball this could get interesting. Rumor is the Khan family is putting $100 million into AEW. Also, with the money freed up from the Elite leaving as well as Sinclair giving them a bit of a bigger budget, ROH has more to play with. So there is at least competition for the 2 spot without even knowing what NJPW has planned for their US expansion over the next few years.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 17, 2019 23:02:29 GMT -5
I want NXT-Michigan to directly be a WWE version of Juggalo Championship Wrestling. tired: Cody Rhodes leaving changed wrestling inspired: TNA signing the Ring Rydas changed wrestling I just cackled super loud at this til I coughed.
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