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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 22, 2019 17:36:43 GMT -5
What are guys you can think of that seemed to have the world championship pedigree as far as looks, height, whatever the case may be but they didn't have that "It" factor
Now the guys could have won the world title but never was a fixture in the main event (example Jinder Mahal). Jinder had the look but didn't have the staying power
Sean O'Haire. Had the look and eventually had the gimmick but just seemed like the hype died the min he came out the curtain
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Post by karl100589 on Jan 22, 2019 18:59:51 GMT -5
Billy Gunn has to be the ultimate example.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:02:07 GMT -5
Del Rio
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 22, 2019 19:07:24 GMT -5
Jack Swagger. Good look, good size, great athlete but did not have 'it'.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 22, 2019 19:08:26 GMT -5
"It factor" doesn't... really mean anything, does it?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 22, 2019 19:27:22 GMT -5
"It factor" doesn't... really mean anything, does it? It does to an extent
It's not really something tangible tho, just your own perception of how you see it
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Post by Starshine on Jan 22, 2019 19:30:56 GMT -5
"It factor" doesn't... really mean anything, does it? It's presence. That's basically what anyone means when they say "it." It's the combination of every admirable factor into a package that makes it appear as if it belongs.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 22, 2019 19:34:34 GMT -5
"It factor" doesn't... really mean anything, does it? To me it means more than any other thing in wrestling. Like the examples in this thread You can have these guys who look like they’re sculpted out of stone and tower over their opponents, yet they don’t have “it”. Then there are people like Mick Foley, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Nick Bockwinkel, Ted DiBiase, Pedro Morales who don’t have the height or physique most associated with a wrestler. But they have something about them that connected. In some cases you could say mic skills are as important as the look but I’d go with the X Factor any day (and not the lame 2001 faction with the Uncle Cracker theme).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:40:41 GMT -5
Orton for me.
He is as vanilla as they come. He LOOKS the part but he is only basic in the ring. His promos are nothing to write home about. The only reason he’s so over is because of the RKO.
Miz is another one. He just doesn’t have “it” to me. Purely because I just don’t see anyone spending their hard earned money to see him in a high profile match. He’s the Ryan Seacrest of the WWE and he does that role well. But he should stick to the talk shows and midcard feuds. His main event run was dreadful.
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Post by Scott on Jan 22, 2019 19:41:17 GMT -5
I always go back and forth on Lex Luger.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 22, 2019 19:41:23 GMT -5
"It factor" doesn't... really mean anything, does it? To me it means more than any other thing in wrestling. Like the examples in this thread You can have these guys who look like they’re sculpted out of stone and tower over their opponents, yet they don’t have “it”. Then there are people like Mick Foley, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Nick Bockwinkel, Ted DiBiase, Pedro Morales who don’t have the height or physique most associated with a wrestler. But they have something about them that connected. In some cases you could say mic skills are as important as the look but I’d go with the X Factor any day (and not the lame 2001 faction with the Uncle Cracker theme). Jeff Hardy is the one I always point to. Shit on the mic, decent high flyer but nothing super special in the ring, but has always been over as f*** and people believe in him as a main eventer. He’s the epitome of “it factor” to me
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 22, 2019 19:44:53 GMT -5
As much as I think Jeff Jarrett got s*** on more than he deserved, ideal world champ material he wasn't. Guy could talk pretty well, had a solid look after he cut his hair, and with the right person could put on some entertaining matches, but it never felt right when a company put the world title on him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 22, 2019 19:45:14 GMT -5
Orton for me. He is as vanilla as they come. He LOOKS the part but he is only basic in the ring. His promos are nothing to write home about. The only reason he’s so over is because of the RKO. Randy has had "It" in his career
It just comes and goes when he cares
When he first turned face a few years after Legacy the crowd was going crazy over him without him even saying a word. He just got his intensity over with his body language and facial expressions
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:46:29 GMT -5
Johnny Nitro...He seems to have everything you would want but "something" just seems to be off and I never could be sure exactly what it is he is lacking...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 22, 2019 19:49:26 GMT -5
Johnny Nitro...He seems to have everything you would want but "something" just seems to be off and I never could be sure exactly what it is he is lacking... When he has a decent writer who gets him, he comes across so much better
Left to his own devices tho, he's not the same
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jan 22, 2019 20:28:23 GMT -5
If you want to go back to the 80s or 90s I think of guys like Paul Orndorff, Hercules, Razor Ramon and Curt Hennig.
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Post by Wilfred on Jan 22, 2019 21:16:43 GMT -5
Test. I know most of the internet thinks he sucks, but I’m not one of them. Obviously his charisma/mic skills held him back but to me he had everything else.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 22, 2019 23:19:11 GMT -5
As much as I think Jeff Jarrett got s*** on more than he deserved, ideal world champ material he wasn't. Guy could talk pretty well, had a solid look after he cut his hair, and with the right person could put on some entertaining matches, but it never felt right when a company put the world title on him. I think two things really hurt the perception of Jarrett as a legit main eventer: 1. The guitar. So long as his gimmick involved the damned guitar, he was never escaping the vestiges of the long-outdated original singer gimmick. 2. The bigger problem - there was almost no point after his first WWF run when he was his own man. The Horsemen, Owen and Debra, Southern Justice, the NWO, Harris Twins, etc, etc. No matter what was going on, Jarrett has almost never been on his own in order to show that he is capable of doing so.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 22, 2019 23:34:54 GMT -5
As much as I think Jeff Jarrett got s*** on more than he deserved, ideal world champ material he wasn't. Guy could talk pretty well, had a solid look after he cut his hair, and with the right person could put on some entertaining matches, but it never felt right when a company put the world title on him. I think two things really hurt the perception of Jarrett as a legit main eventer: 1. The guitar. So long as his gimmick involved the damned guitar, he was never escaping the vestiges of the long-outdated original singer gimmick. 2. The bigger problem - there was almost no point after his first WWF run when he was his own man. The Horsemen, Owen and Debra, Southern Justice, the NWO, Harris Twins, etc, etc. No matter what was going on, Jarrett has almost never been on his own in order to show that he is capable of doing so. I think it also didn't help that he didn't know when to step away from the title belt. If he had booked himself better, people would have probably given him a lot more leeway.
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Post by Aceorton on Jan 22, 2019 23:39:51 GMT -5
Al Snow. There were a couple times when he seemed right on the cusp of breaking through, but he never found the magic ingredient he needed outside ECW after the WWF decided not to push him the same way. As a heel, he was bland. As a face, he had charisma, but not the kind that made you pull for him the way you would for Rock or Austin or Foley, and eventually his act just felt super forced.
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