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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 20, 2019 13:25:37 GMT -5
squash Alexa? What has she done to fall out of favour? Vince has a new "pretty blonde girl" character to super push in Lacey Evans.
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 20, 2019 13:27:19 GMT -5
I agree that those names you mentioned are kind of... whatever. But I'm just not down with saying they are at fault when management has failed talent better than them and worse than them and, if history is any indication, they'll fail the new four guys too. WWE's problems have become so blatant and so pronounced that it just seems like a waste of time to laugh and point at individual talents. The problems are structural. They start at the top. And I'm sure a better, more patient writing team could elevate even those guys you namedropped. Hell, the amount of times Dolph Ziggler has overcome shortfalls to become super over and the company has done nothing to capitalize on it because it’s not part of what they want should say everything for this. Because say what you will about the guy, by the end of 2014 and the summer of 2016, he was one of the most over guys. I agree about Ziggler. I think he's tossed away some goodwill with online fans because he's kind of annoying and he doesn't seem fussed about his placement. But that doesn't change the fact that the writing team failed him, like they do most of the roster.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 20, 2019 13:29:31 GMT -5
The injuries, plus he has Mandy and Lacey now. They gotta turn Alexa face already. She's super stale as a heel, one of the most likable people they have and she'd most likely be better in the ring as a face. What are they waiting for? When Becky goes to Raw, and Ronda leaves, I definitely think Alexa should go to Smackdown and turn face. She needs a fresh scene, and there won't be much room for babyface women on Raw, with Becky, Bayley and Sasha over there. Also, I'm thinking that a programme of plucky, underdog Alexa vs evil, psycho heel Charlotte could be money.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Feb 20, 2019 13:30:09 GMT -5
squash Alexa? What has she done to fall out of favour? Vince has a new "pretty blonde girl" character to super push in Lacey Evans. Which is a shame since she still has a lot to offer
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 20, 2019 13:32:19 GMT -5
Hell, the amount of times Dolph Ziggler has overcome shortfalls to become super over and the company has done nothing to capitalize on it because it’s not part of what they want should say everything for this. Because say what you will about the guy, by the end of 2014 and the summer of 2016, he was one of the most over guys. I agree about Ziggler. I think he's tossed away some goodwill with online fans because he's kind of annoying and he doesn't seem fussed about his placement. But that doesn't change the fact that the writing team failed him, like they do most of the roster. The writing team fails everyone. The only hot stories right now on RAW or SDL were born accidentally in both Becky's rise and Kofi's current support. Writing is the beginning and end of seemingly the largest problems in WWE right now.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 20, 2019 13:33:13 GMT -5
Hell, the amount of times Dolph Ziggler has overcome shortfalls to become super over and the company has done nothing to capitalize on it because it’s not part of what they want should say everything for this. Because say what you will about the guy, by the end of 2014 and the summer of 2016, he was one of the most over guys. I agree about Ziggler. I think he's tossed away some goodwill with online fans because he's kind of annoying and he doesn't seem fussed about his placement. But that doesn't change the fact that the writing team failed him, like they do most of the roster. Absolutely. He’s a coward for talking about leaving and never actually doing it and yeah, a lot of goodwill is gone. But he also has been failed by creative. Those two can coincide like you said.
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Post by Perd on Feb 20, 2019 13:45:35 GMT -5
“Damn it, pal. This Ringmaster guy just doesn’t have it. Who else do we have?”
”Damn it, pal. The fans hate Rocky Maivia. Let’s juwt move on.”
That mindset that everyon is beyond salvaging is ludicrous. You know how I know? Because WWE is still in business.
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Post by anglarite on Feb 20, 2019 14:01:28 GMT -5
I think what he meant was "Let's job out these four undamaged super over guys to make all the damaged main event talents we still want to push to look strong..."
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 20, 2019 14:28:49 GMT -5
"It was supposed to be Finn vs. Ricochet. Triple H apparently got that match changed because he thought that it made no sense to give that match away now and plus Ricochet would have to lose considering Balor just won the title." That didn't stop them from having the Revival lose. The Revival are going to get a passive-aggressive kind of treatment from here on out, since they were the ones who asked for their releases. They're going to need to be appeased somewhat until they fulfill their purpose, _then_ they'll be jobbed out. The titles were the concessionary bone thrown to them, but they're not going to look particularly good holding them, sadly. Finn's not in the same category - yes, AEW's probably got a big ol' contract waiting for him, but he himself's not gonna to start whipping pitches until his contract comes up for renewal (he probably kept his head down and his mouth shut while everyone was going ga-ga). The title run and whatever push he's getting is purely coming from WWE scared shitless at the prospect of losing him. Moreover, Finn's made himself indispensable to the company at the moment as the company's top babyface, with Seth injured, Roman out with leukemia, Dean leaving, Strowman deeply damaged from the feud with Corbin and McIntyre, etc. The last thing WWE needs to do is to dilute that pop by putting him against another popular spot-jockey like Ricochet. If anything, putting them together in a tag team actually helped them both - the Lafayette crowd seems alive only when Ricochet made the hot tags on Monday and, while Finn's role was to give Ricochet the rub, one could argue that they built each other up. If Seth is still not cleared or there's any concern about him by Fastlane, look for a Plan B program for someone else to face Lesnar. We may see the Beast defend again the Demon.
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Post by Doctor No on Feb 20, 2019 14:46:14 GMT -5
“Damn it, pal. This Ringmaster guy just doesn’t have it. Who else do we have?” ”Damn it, pal. The fans hate Rocky Maivia. Let’s juwt move on.” That mindset that everyon is beyond salvaging is ludicrous. You know how I know? Because WWE is still in business. A few eras of having no real competition for getting the talent they want really made them kinda lazy.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 20, 2019 15:04:50 GMT -5
Reports like this show you that Vince is very much the problem. While I doubt Triple H is the great savior that will lead WWE to the next great boom period, I have to imagine he at least knows what makes a better wrestling show than an increasingly more out-of-touch old man who books shows for his own ego and that it must be frustrating to see his NXT talents used as poorly as they have been on the main roster.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 20, 2019 15:07:58 GMT -5
I agree with Triple H's reasoning on Ricochet, that makes a lot of sense, actually.
The rest of it, ehhhhhhh....
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Post by lookout on Feb 20, 2019 15:09:00 GMT -5
Kofi has been there 11 years and has had the same gimmick for 4, and in the span of a week has become their most over face besides Becky. Anyone can be built back up. The roster isn't the problem, the writing is. My fav thing is that both Becky and Kofi got over when they were really not even supposed to. Fans just REALLY want to cheer for certain people, but we are often met with Vince getting in the way doing random things exactly...the fans force their hand sometimes but far too often vince appears resentful that fans don't agree with his weird views and actually works against people getting over. I always wonder how good and huge wwe could be if vince actually did listen to the fans.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 20, 2019 15:09:49 GMT -5
Vince is out of his dome, lmao.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 20, 2019 15:11:45 GMT -5
Kofi has been there 11 years and has had the same gimmick for 4, and in the span of a week has become their most over face besides Becky. Anyone can be built back up. The roster isn't the problem, the writing is. And also, f***ing this. If the Kofi stuff recently has shown anything, there are a number of guys who still have credibility with the fanbase and can be kickstarted with a couple strong performances. It's happened countless times. The issue is that WWE so rarely takes advantage of these situations because "they didn't plan it."
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 20, 2019 15:14:25 GMT -5
If the wrestler has a way of connecting with fans, there's no such thing as being damaged goods, especially when the damage is done by creative and not their own flaws.
They pushed Jinder Mahal to be a WWE Champion and the dude was a glorified jobber for most of his career beforehand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 15:18:44 GMT -5
Vince needs to go. It's abundantly clear he doesn't have any clue whatsoever what he is doing anymore and all he's really managing to accomplish is running people's careers into the ground on stupid whims.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 15:25:38 GMT -5
Alexa should be Lacey’s first feud. It’s perfect.
Lacey is the “classy” one who would think Bliss was beneath her.
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Post by Shy Guy on Feb 20, 2019 15:31:33 GMT -5
I think Ricochet beating Sanity and Black beating Almas shows you pretty much what their problem is. The push the NXT guys when they are new, sacrifice any heat they get to whatever new storyline they need to push, the new NXT guys go down on the card, and then will put over the next NXT guys. Can Sanity even be considered damaged if they barely got touched after taken of the box? Everything loses value when it's taken out of the box
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Post by Chiral on Feb 20, 2019 15:36:55 GMT -5
Also real good for locker room morale to let them know everyone else is f***ed but these new guys are gonna be the real stars from here on out. I can't see any way this can go wrong.
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