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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 15:59:41 GMT -5
I do think some people are being too harsh on Evans. Yea she was not great at the rumble but that can happen to anybody I can understand nerves getting in the way. Maybe in a couple of months, she will come off as a top tier talent. Won't be the first or last time a wrestler improves from a bad first impression. Yeah I agree with this. If they want to push her as a top level talent then hey, she's gotta prove she has what it takes. As usual with these experiments there's a cutoff time from Vince and if the wrestler doesn't meet the cutoff time then the push is abandoned. Strowman for example, he was getting the big push and the Taker WM match. Strowman didn't improve quick enough and had a bad match with Dean "I'm the guy they use to test you main event dudes" Ambrose. After that they depushed Strowman until he was ready again. It happened with Baron Corbin but he failed, it happened with Bobby Roode and he failed. It's happened with Dana Brooke, it's happened with tons of superstars, this isn't anything new. Carmella got a shot and she succeeded in the company's eyes. Alexa definitely got her chance and she succeeded. Lacey's just the next name. Lacey will do some stuff but there's going to be a match against someone or a segment where if she fails, it won't work out. It's all up to her now to prove herself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:06:15 GMT -5
I do think some people are being too harsh on Evans. Yea she was not great at the rumble but that can happen to anybody I can understand nerves getting in the way. Maybe in a couple of months, she will come off as a top tier talent. Won't be the first or last time a wrestler improves from a bad first impression. Supposedly her dark matches with Natalya have been good, so there’s that. I have no doubt that she’ll improve and be a damn good talent. That being said, it’s just a bit too soon for my liking. The segments they have her doing are doing her no favors at all. But, I’m sure I’ll come around to her eventually. But yeah, people are admittedly jumping the gun a bit too soon considering she’s had no main roster matches to really prove if she can hang and we have no clue when this push is going to begin or if it’ll even lead to anything. Remember the Lana push?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 20, 2019 16:15:37 GMT -5
I think one problem with Lacey is that I have zero clue how her gimmick would ever draw any heat. How is someone supposed to react to it? It's the sort of thing that would be cult material on GLOW but not anyone who gets a serious WWE main roster push. I joked in a previous thread that I can already imagine her feuding with Asuka, trying to avenge Pearl Harbor. Asuka would just be bewildered by the whole thing. I'd probably say Toni Storm would be a better pick as well, except I'm not sure if Vince would get the whole vaguely punk/metal aspect of her act. I think the one thing possibly holding Toni back is she's not a great promo. She's only 23 though and Paige ended up turning into a very good promo. Can someone please link me to one of these very good promos that people keep posting about Paige cutting? I haven't seen a single bit of mic work by page that was above passable. I'm really not trying to be mean here, I just don't get it at all. Why should she need to? Goldberg made WCW ludicrous amounts of money by just saying "Who's next?" then beating people up. Not everyone needs to be out there cutting 10 minute promos. This is the problem with the wrestling business today. Everyone is so cookie cutter and interchangeable. Guys like Goldberg and Steve Austin felt unique. Everyone today feels the same. Except weirdly, Asuka doesn't. Nakamura these days does, which is a real f***ing shame, but Asuka has managed to maintain some aura despite being badly used or barely on TV, AND unable to cut a lengthy promo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:17:07 GMT -5
They really should've started Lacey off in a tag team. Not with Alexa because I want her to be a face, but maybe Lana as the muscle of the team or something.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:17:35 GMT -5
I do think some people are being too harsh on Evans. Yea she was not great at the rumble but that can happen to anybody I can understand nerves getting in the way. Maybe in a couple of months, she will come off as a top tier talent. Won't be the first or last time a wrestler improves from a bad first impression. Supposedly her dark matches with Natalya have been good, so there’s that. I have no doubt that she’ll improve and be a damn good talent. That being said, it’s just a bit too soon for my liking. The segments they have her doing are doing her no favors at all. But, I’m sure I’ll come around to her eventually. I think a big thing we need to have a discussion about is how soon is "too soon." Lacey getting the title isn't happening at WM so it's just a matter of when she'll get it. Alexa took 5 months to get the title from Becky from when she was called up, Carmella took close to 2 years from her call-up to get the title, it just depends on when Lacey's planed to get the belt. Hypothetically, say Lacey does get the Asuka WM match, Asuka's winning that match. I'm not sure when Lacey's getting the belt but if she gets the MITB briefcase I'd say that would be good for her because hey if she's ready she can cash in when they feel she's ready and if she's not ready they can make her fail it. If she gets this big push I definitely don't see her winning the title anytime before Summerslam.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:19:07 GMT -5
I think the one thing possibly holding Toni back is she's not a great promo. She's only 23 though and Paige ended up turning into a very good promo. Can someone please link me to one of these very good promos that people keep posting about Paige cutting? I haven't seen a single bit of mic work by page that was above passable. I'm really not trying to be mean here, I just don't get it at all. I' This is the problem with the wrestling business today. Everyone is so cookie cutter and interchangeable. Guys like Goldberg and Steve Austin felt unique. Everyone today feels the same. Except weirdly, Asuka doesn't. Nakamura these days does, which is a real f***ing shame, but Asuka has managed to maintain some aura despite being badly used or barely on TV, AND unable to cut a lengthy promo. No specific promos I can link you to, but what I should've said was that Paige turned into a good talker. She sounded very natural and comfortable on the mic when she was GM, it's for that reason I'd like to see her back as a manager at least.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 20, 2019 16:21:36 GMT -5
Can someone please link me to one of these very good promos that people keep posting about Paige cutting? I haven't seen a single bit of mic work by page that was above passable. I'm really not trying to be mean here, I just don't get it at all. I' Except weirdly, Asuka doesn't. Nakamura these days does, which is a real f***ing shame, but Asuka has managed to maintain some aura despite being badly used or barely on TV, AND unable to cut a lengthy promo. No specific promos I can link you to, but what I should've said was that Paige turned into a good talker. She sounded very natural and comfortable on the mic when she was GM, it's for that reason I'd like to see her back as a manager at least. Apologies, I wasn't singling you out in particular, but people have talked a lot about how good Paige was and I really didn't see it. I didn't even feel like she came across as natural.
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Post by Jokaine on Feb 20, 2019 16:23:05 GMT -5
This could be one of those cases where Vince sees Lacey as one day being on equal footing as Becky and Charlotte. "Goddamn pal, you have a great look and a touching story everyone can get behind. Keep it up and one day I can see you carrying the division along side Becky and Charlotte." It's not the absolute truth until it actually plays on TV. Aside from the fact that I think Meltzer says stuff that he knows will generate a reaction (especially since he can simply back out of whatever with, "plans changed"), if this was ever actually said I think your "GD, Pal," statement is the way it was said. I've heard plenty of people over the years who have sworn up and down Vince had plans for them to be the guy when it was more of a "maybe-someday" type of statement.
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 20, 2019 16:23:05 GMT -5
Supposedly her dark matches with Natalya have been good, so there’s that. I have no doubt that she’ll improve and be a damn good talent. That being said, it’s just a bit too soon for my liking. The segments they have her doing are doing her no favors at all. But, I’m sure I’ll come around to her eventually. I think a big thing we need to have a discussion about is how soon is "too soon." Lacey getting the title isn't happening at WM so it's just a matter of when she'll get it. Alexa took 5 months to get the title from Becky from when she was called up, Carmella took close to 2 years from her call-up to get the title, it just depends on when Lacey's planed to get the belt. Hypothetically, say Lacey does get the Asuka WM match, Asuka's winning that match. I'm not sure when Lacey's getting the belt but if she gets the MITB briefcase I'd say that would be good for her because hey if she's ready she can cash in when they feel she's ready and if she's not ready they can make her fail it. If she gets this big push I definitely don't see her winning the title anytime before Summerslam. Right the big push can mean I want her to be in a position to win the Women's Rumble next January which is much different than having her ready by Mania. And who knows maybe she is quite talented and there is a reason Vince is high on her. They have seen her more in development/training than any of us have seen so they think she can win over people over time. What is likely to happen is Vince gets bored and moves on to a new shiny toy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:29:50 GMT -5
I think a big thing we need to have a discussion about is how soon is "too soon." Lacey getting the title isn't happening at WM so it's just a matter of when she'll get it. Alexa took 5 months to get the title from Becky from when she was called up, Carmella took close to 2 years from her call-up to get the title, it just depends on when Lacey's planed to get the belt. Hypothetically, say Lacey does get the Asuka WM match, Asuka's winning that match. I'm not sure when Lacey's getting the belt but if she gets the MITB briefcase I'd say that would be good for her because hey if she's ready she can cash in when they feel she's ready and if she's not ready they can make her fail it. If she gets this big push I definitely don't see her winning the title anytime before Summerslam. Right the big push can mean I want her to be in a position to win the Women's Rumble next January which is much different than having her ready by Mania. And who knows maybe she is quite talented and there is a reason Vince is high on her. They have seen her more in development/training than any of us have seen so they think she can win over people over time. What is likely to happen is Vince gets bored and moves on to a new shiny toy. Yep. Dana Brooke, The IIconics, Mandy Rose, Braun Strowman, Baron Corbin, Bobby Roode, Apollo Crews, all of these stars were people that Meltzer said the company was high on. They were given the chance, it didn't work out and then Vince moved onto somebody else. This is just another one who might work out or might not work out.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 20, 2019 16:30:07 GMT -5
The main reason they're so high on Lacey is due to her background
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 20, 2019 16:42:16 GMT -5
Lacey wasn't even ready to be a featured player on NXT let alone on the main roster. She's gonna flop horribly because she ain't close to being ready
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:46:56 GMT -5
Supposedly her dark matches with Natalya have been good, so there’s that. I have no doubt that she’ll improve and be a damn good talent. That being said, it’s just a bit too soon for my liking. The segments they have her doing are doing her no favors at all. But, I’m sure I’ll come around to her eventually. I think a big thing we need to have a discussion about is how soon is "too soon." Lacey getting the title isn't happening at WM so it's just a matter of when she'll get it. Alexa took 5 months to get the title from Becky from when she was called up, Carmella took close to 2 years from her call-up to get the title, it just depends on when Lacey's planed to get the belt. Hypothetically, say Lacey does get the Asuka WM match, Asuka's winning that match. I'm not sure when Lacey's getting the belt but if she gets the MITB briefcase I'd say that would be good for her because hey if she's ready she can cash in when they feel she's ready and if she's not ready they can make her fail it. If she gets this big push I definitely don't see her winning the title anytime before Summerslam. That’s true. If she’s slotted to take on Asuka and wins? Then that’s a push happening to soon to me. If she faces asuka and loses? Then she’ll likely win MITB and realistically go after Becky which will not go over well in the slightest. If she wins MITB and it takes her a year or even 5 months then I’m fine with it as she’s proven to be a good talent in NXT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:49:30 GMT -5
The main reason they're so high on Lacey is due to her background Vince liking blondes really isn’t as bad as most make it out to be anymore as these aren’t the same models who were taught a different style and way to wrestle. These girls clearly have a passion for it and want to improve. The color of their hair shouldnt change that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 17:05:34 GMT -5
The main reason they're so high on Lacey is due to her background By background he meant her story. Here's what it says on WWE.com. After reading that and getting more info on her background (about her family doing drugs, having alcoholism problems, being in trouble with the law, having to live in tents, her mom leaving them when Lacey was 10 and her dad ODing and passing before her WWE tryout) I DEFINITELY know why Vince would like her. That's that "grabbing the brass ring" thing he's always talking about. Yeah she's a tall blonde but all that other stuff is something you know Vince loves. She's got some anime character backstory.
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Post by BoomPeriod on Feb 20, 2019 17:30:56 GMT -5
I thought they have Ronda under contract for like 3 or 4 years. The news these days is so much back and forth. I thnk no one really knows what the hell is going on.
Ronda's leaving, Ronda's not leaving, Ronda's leaving
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Feb 20, 2019 17:32:47 GMT -5
I know Ronda was a bit shit, but jeez, are we sure a stable called Big Cocks Limited is really a suitable replacement?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 20, 2019 17:34:26 GMT -5
By background he meant her story. Here's what it says on WWE.com. After reading that and getting more info on her background (about her family doing drugs, having alcoholism problems, being in trouble with the law, having to live in tents, her mom leaving them when Lacey was 10 and her dad ODing and passing before her WWE tryout) I DEFINITELY know why Vince would like her. That's that "grabbing the brass ring" thing he's always talking about. Yeah she's a tall blonde but all that other stuff is something you know Vince loves. She's got some anime character backstory. And her house apparently got knocked down by a hurricane about a year or two ago. She’s basically got the luck of Frank Grimes, but with another Frank Grimes being resentful of her as though she’s Homer Simpson.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 20, 2019 17:37:48 GMT -5
I know Ronda was a bit shit, but jeez, are we sure a stable called Big Cocks Limited is really a suitable replacement? Let me ask you a goddamn question in return. Why isn't EVERY stable already called that? Their tag team finisher could be called 'Big Dick Energy.'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 17:39:24 GMT -5
By background he meant her story. Here's what it says on WWE.com. After reading that and getting more info on her background (about her family doing drugs, having alcoholism problems, being in trouble with the law, having to live in tents, her mom leaving them when Lacey was 10 and her dad ODing and passing before her WWE tryout) I DEFINITELY know why Vince would like her. That's that "grabbing the brass ring" thing he's always talking about. Yeah she's a tall blonde but all that other stuff is something you know Vince loves. She's got some anime character backstory. And her house apparently got knocked down by a hurricane about a year or two ago. She’s basically got the luck of Frank Grimes, but with another Frank Grimes being resentful of her as though she’s Homer Simpson. It's always a good day when we can use a Frank Grimes reference. Very accurate.
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