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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 6, 2019 12:05:18 GMT -5
Cena this comes off as very tone deaf for you This company employs a lot of damn wrestlers, creative can't have shit for everyone that's just the damn truth. Even if you take the initiative to Vince, they can still have nothing for you because not everyone can get on TV You were a featured guy so you can say you are going to work with James Ellsworth and they will make it work but not everyone has that pull It’s their fault for having so many people. Then they turn around and go “We need new stars” and then you do nothing with the people you have, not even as fall guys. It’s literally the example of the greedy kid who breaks or neglects their toys suddenly asking for shinier toys.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 12:09:26 GMT -5
Hell for all the flack Russo/Ferrera got. At least they had SOMETHING for damn near every guy on the roster. Even a guy like Just Joe got to do something. Just Joe. This dude Cena mentioned Bray Wyatt lol. Wyatt, the guy who's always given 10 minutes to laugh and ramble about nonsense in the ring, shit that we don't even understand. Wyatt, a guy who has so much creativity that even his shitty stuff is more creative than 95% of midcarders. Yeah, aight. Bruh, EC3 couldn't even talk these past few months. Breeze's name is literally a whisper in the wind of those writings rooms. People forgot that Sanity was even on the roster. What are you saying? And Harper's resorting to indy shit to get attention. Harper literally had to do a Michinoku Driver to the floor in hopes of being noticed. Not to have great material, not to have shitty material but to be put in a position where you get material in general. This is Luke Harper.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 6, 2019 12:09:47 GMT -5
Cena this comes off as very tone deaf for you This company employs a lot of damn wrestlers, creative can't have shit for everyone that's just the damn truth. Even if you take the initiative to Vince, they can still have nothing for you because not everyone can get on TV You were a featured guy so you can say you are going to work with James Ellsworth and they will make it work but not everyone has that pull It’s their fault for having so many people. Then they turn around and go “We need new stars” and then you do nothing with the people you have, not even as fall guys. It’s literally the example of the greedy kid who breaks or neglects their toys suddenly asking for shinier toys. Yes and No
Every company needs depth and they have an overabundance of it. Guys take their chances with WWE because they want the opportunity to be bigger knowing there is no guarantees.
It's a two way street in that regard, the contract is offered and you still have to sign it. In that business it is all about breaks but if we are talking from just the remarks from Cena, he's putting the onerous on the wrestlers when it really isn't that black and white
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 6, 2019 12:12:05 GMT -5
It’s their fault for having so many people. Then they turn around and go “We need new stars” and then you do nothing with the people you have, not even as fall guys. It’s literally the example of the greedy kid who breaks or neglects their toys suddenly asking for shinier toys. Yes and No Every company needs depth and they have an overabundance of it. Guys take their chances with WWE because they want the opportunity to be bigger knowing there is no guarantees.
It's a two way street in that regard, the contract is offered and you still have to sign it. In that business it is all about breaks but if we are talking from just the remarks from Cena, he's putting the onerous on the wrestlers when it really isn't that black and white
Oh don’t get me wrong, no blame for anyone who signs a WWE contract and gets called up and accepts it. That’s awesome for you. But the point for me is if you call someone up and don’t have a plan for them, you can’t then blame them for not getting the initiative to try and get something when you’re not a priority and they call up another 67 people post WrestleMania.
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Post by prichardmark on Apr 6, 2019 12:13:04 GMT -5
You could have a dozen guys with more overall talent and getting more over on their own than Say a Rollins/Reigns, but 10 times out of 10, they will utilize Rollins/Reigns 1000x better and book them in better situations. So Cena basically has no argument. Austin would have stayed the "Ring Master" if WCW wasn't kicking WWE's ass in the ratings. The Rock would have been Rocky Maivia and both guys probably would have been kicked to the curb in today's climate.
Basically these guys not being used better hope AEW becomes competitors so the company will have no choice but to go a different direction and see what sticks
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Post by Perd on Apr 6, 2019 12:14:38 GMT -5
Even if his point has merit, it’s the kind of thing that the rank and file probably don’t want to hear from someone that’s been eating well, for over a decade. Saying “Just do what I did.” is a particularly glib way of addressing the issue.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 6, 2019 12:15:27 GMT -5
must be nice saying that when you are the guy which literally is the only one that matters for Vince.
Cmon Cena get out of the high horse
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Apr 6, 2019 12:17:13 GMT -5
I just sat through the whole interview and maybe it's just me but Cena comes across as such a smarmy jackass. I know he's trying to be nice and be motivational or whatever and so many of the comments are like "Cena is such a great dude!" etc but whenever I hear him talk "out of character" he just seems like such a phony guy who's hiding what he really thinks and passes everything off as just "doing what he's told".
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Post by prichardmark on Apr 6, 2019 12:20:15 GMT -5
I just sat through the whole interview and maybe it's just me but Cena comes across as such a smarmy jackass. I know he's trying to be nice and be motivational or whatever and so many of the comments are like "Cena is such a great dude!" etc but whenever I hear him talk "out of character" he just seems like such a phony guy who's hiding what he really thinks and passes everything off as just "doing what he's told". Ive heard stories he's a real uptight jackass in real life. I don't know never seen Total Bellas or whatever the crappy shows name is. Probably doesn't divulge too much as there is still a camera on
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Post by Aceorton on Apr 6, 2019 12:27:46 GMT -5
This is the strongest argument I've ever heard for not having writers. The top star of the last 15 years is saying they NEVER come up with anything awesome and the talent ALWAYS has to improve it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 6, 2019 12:30:21 GMT -5
Imagine a fashion house where the designers say "we don't have any ideas" and they fire the models.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 12:33:53 GMT -5
I just sat through the whole interview and maybe it's just me but Cena comes across as such a smarmy jackass. I know he's trying to be nice and be motivational or whatever and so many of the comments are like "Cena is such a great dude!" etc but whenever I hear him talk "out of character" he just seems like such a phony guy who's hiding what he really thinks and passes everything off as just "doing what he's told". He reminds me of Patrick Bateman. He may (lol) not be fantasizing about/murdering people but his persona seems entirely false. It could be a situation like All-Might where he puts on a show for good purposes, but in real life when you know someones putting on a friendly act you assume dubious intentions.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Apr 6, 2019 12:38:27 GMT -5
I just sat through the whole interview and maybe it's just me but Cena comes across as such a smarmy jackass. I know he's trying to be nice and be motivational or whatever and so many of the comments are like "Cena is such a great dude!" etc but whenever I hear him talk "out of character" he just seems like such a phony guy who's hiding what he really thinks and passes everything off as just "doing what he's told". He reminds me of Patrick Bateman. He may (lol) not be fantasizing about/murdering people but his persona seems entirely false. It could be a situation like All-Might where he puts on a show for good purposes, but in real life when you know someones putting on a friendly act you assume dubious intentions. Haha yeah I'm not saying he's a murderer but everything seems so pre meditated. Like he's so desperate to absolve himself of any booking decisions and stuff like that. Like he could just say "sure it would be nice to break Flair's record" or "it'd be nice to face Angle" but instead he's like I DON'T WRITE THE SHOW I HAVE NO INFLUENCE OK GUYS I DON'T THE WRITE THE SHOW OR ASK FOR ANYTHING I SWEAR I HAVE NO CONTROL. I guess he might just be a weird dude.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 6, 2019 12:48:10 GMT -5
If they practiced Hustle, Loyalty, and Respect, they’d be aight
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Post by thetower52 on Apr 6, 2019 12:54:24 GMT -5
Shove it up your ass cena.
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Post by spagett on Apr 6, 2019 12:56:09 GMT -5
I just sat through the whole interview and maybe it's just me but Cena comes across as such a smarmy jackass. I know he's trying to be nice and be motivational or whatever and so many of the comments are like "Cena is such a great dude!" etc but whenever I hear him talk "out of character" he just seems like such a phony guy who's hiding what he really thinks and passes everything off as just "doing what he's told". He reminds me of Patrick Bateman. He may (lol) not be fantasizing about/murdering people but his persona seems entirely false. It could be a situation like All-Might where he puts on a show for good purposes, but in real life when you know someones putting on a friendly act you assume dubious intentions. He comes across super robotic and insincere whenever he's just being his actual self.
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Post by darbus alan on Apr 6, 2019 12:57:03 GMT -5
That is a very privileged perspective, John.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 12:59:39 GMT -5
he acts like everyone has the creative freedom that a guy that's been on top for 16 years has. Vince screams if you don't do things the way he envisions it
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 6, 2019 13:12:48 GMT -5
Yes and No Every company needs depth and they have an overabundance of it. Guys take their chances with WWE because they want the opportunity to be bigger knowing there is no guarantees.
It's a two way street in that regard, the contract is offered and you still have to sign it. In that business it is all about breaks but if we are talking from just the remarks from Cena, he's putting the onerous on the wrestlers when it really isn't that black and white
Oh don’t get me wrong, no blame for anyone who signs a WWE contract and gets called up and accepts it. That’s awesome for you. But the point for me is if you call someone up and don’t have a plan for them, you can’t then blame them for not getting the initiative to try and get something when you’re not a priority and they call up another 67 people post WrestleMania. Right. Don't get me wrong I can get the frustration of a lot of guys on that roster especially when you go from a hot commodity to just an afterthought
Like I said it's not really black and white. Some wrestlers are happy just being part of the wheel while others want to get out. It's all about where you stand and what you're willing to put up with. Most guys look to be like a Kofi Kingston but it is also to remember, that dude is always active even when he was aimless in the midcard mafia
Cena can say those things but he got to remember he position as well as others. Some hope for that lucky break while others really don't care anymore and just colelcting a check
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Post by realist on Apr 6, 2019 13:13:52 GMT -5
As a guy fairly new to Hollywood, John Cena is still establishing himself there. In WWE, he's a main eventer but in Hollywood, he's a midcarder. Imagine if a Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise told Cena that Hollywood is easy to navigate. If you can't find a part that you like, just talk to a famous director like Steven Spielberg or Martin Scorsese and have him write a 200 million dollar movie specifically with you in mind. See how well that goes over. That's what he just said about the lower card WWE guys.
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