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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 7, 2019 10:11:01 GMT -5
f*** it, I'm calling it.
ROH and Impact switched places again. ROH is the one full of bad ideas and the same old shit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 10:17:02 GMT -5
You know what the discussion should be about, the fact that the IWGP world championship changed hands outside of Japan for the first time ever. Or a potential MOTY candidate in Ibushi/Naito. Instead its about ROH and how poorly they did. NJPW should be fuming This is how awful Ring of Honor is now; we forget about the positives from the G1 SuperCard due to being reminded about how brain damaged ROH is.
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Post by boliv84 on Apr 7, 2019 10:21:50 GMT -5
Some people on the net speculated this may be because of the increased influence of Bully. Anyway, they clearly go for the edgy things now including a worked shoot with social media buzz. While I appreciate they were trying out new things and storylines advanced, I don't need a buzz copy of wwe's new "reality" era either. Let's not even talk about the women's division.
I liked the event though and Taven winning is okay. But I don't like the direction they are going.
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Post by markymark on Apr 7, 2019 10:22:25 GMT -5
Is it true Bully Ray joined ROH creative team? That could explain why Velvet has a job again, watch her unretire because her back "healed"
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 7, 2019 10:26:18 GMT -5
I was bewildered at some of the match times. The WOH match got over 10 minutes while the IWGP Jr. match and the tag unification got under 10? That's lunacy. And giving the whole Bully Ray nonsense 15? Those are curious moves but if the 3 way ladder match didn't deliver then that's just on those guys. It's a big match on a big stage given plenty of time.
I do try and watch ROH on a weekly basis and the TV show itself kinda sucks for the most part. All I ever see is a constant barrage of Beer City Bruiser, Brian Milonas, Silas Young, Cheeseburger, Shane Taylor, etc. It's like nothing but bush league jobbers, uninteresting angles, mediocre production values.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 7, 2019 10:26:41 GMT -5
Is it true Bully Ray joined ROH creative team? That could explain why Velvet has a job again, watch her unretire because her back "healed" If so, lateral move, I guess, since we already had a booker with iffy ideas and a desire to push his gal. At least Bully hasn't been doing it for years and noticeably burned out and increasingly devoid of ideas like Delirious is these days.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 7, 2019 10:31:49 GMT -5
I was bewildered at some of the match times. The WOH match got over 10 minutes while the IWGP Jr. match and the tag unification got under 10? That's lunacy. And giving the whole Bully Ray nonsense 15? Those are curious moves but if the 3 way ladder match didn't deliver then that's just on those guys. It's a big match on a big stage given plenty of time. I do try and watch ROH on a weekly basis and the TV show itself kinda sucks for the most part. All I ever see is a constant barrage of Beer City Bruiser, Brian Milonas, Silas Young, Cheeseburger, Shane Taylor, etc. It's like nothing but bush league jobbers, uninteresting angles, mediocre production values. They're like the modern day AWA. They meant something once, and put out shit-tier television shows because you've got to buy a ticket to see the good stuff. Unfortunately for them, like AWA, they've been unable to leverage that like they once could, and like AWA, they fail to understand the potential of the medium of television and that they're hamstringing themselves by being stingy on meaningful content. I'm not saying you have to Russo it and prioritize television to the detriment of pay per view and live shows, but you do not pull in new fans with shit television.
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Post by chrom on Apr 7, 2019 10:38:17 GMT -5
Seriously F Bully and that nonsense.
The Attitude Era and ECW are dead and they're never coming back. Get over it already.
Your becoming as pathetic as Dreamer
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Post by chrom on Apr 7, 2019 10:44:27 GMT -5
Management was happy so you can expect more of this crap
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 7, 2019 10:56:02 GMT -5
It really felt like NJPW was teaming up with some weird local promotion instead of...you know, Ring of Honor.
The ROH guys looked like shit. Like gear wise. Im not even talking about their wrestling. These dudes are honestly out there wearing highspots.com gear that doesn’t even fit.
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Post by Convoy on Apr 7, 2019 11:07:16 GMT -5
Also, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that Enzo/Cass was planned, but if you aren't sure there's video on IG of them coming from the back with security watching. I know some said that Cass was under the ring (I actually wasn't looking when they ran in), but that's not the case.
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Post by markymark on Apr 7, 2019 11:26:00 GMT -5
I can see Eli Drake heading to ROH.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 7, 2019 11:37:38 GMT -5
I was so underwhelmed by everything from ROH last night. They’re in dire straits right now, and if AEW has any modicum of success, it won’t be long til ROH is at the same level as Impact and MLW
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 7, 2019 11:39:35 GMT -5
On Observer Radio, it was also mentioned that ROH was pushing to have their world title match go on last since it was a 50-50 show. I get that you want to push your guys to a higher level but that would have been lunacy. Everyone knew what the real main event was and people wouldn't have been happy with them going last.
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Post by Convoy on Apr 7, 2019 11:52:37 GMT -5
On Observer Radio, it was also mentioned that ROH was pushing to have their world title match go on last since it was a 50-50 show. I get that you want to push your guys to a higher level but that would have been lunacy. Everyone knew what the real main event was and people wouldn't have been happy with them going last. Hell no. I mean, it would've been nice to leave early and get home before 1am, but Okada/White was the true main event. Shame on ROH for even thinking Taven winning their belt would make a great final image from MSG.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 11:57:44 GMT -5
It’s such a shame to see the shambling corpse of a once trendsetting company. They were the 00’s version of ECW insofar as influence on the wrestling landscape. They set the style that would become the norm in North America and moulded at least 2 legitimate national main eventers.
Whatever that was, polluting the air around the really good NJPW card, had nothing to do with that company. It had many flaws, but it was a million times more engaging than that,
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 7, 2019 13:45:31 GMT -5
It's funny, inside the arena I didn't think ROH's stuff was that bad...not great, mind you, and REALLY overshadowed by how great NJPW's material was, which makes it highly disappointing given the stakes of this show, but I didn't think anybody came out and took a shit in the middle of the ring or something (unless we want to count the Enzo/Cass angle). I think I just viewed the bulk of the ROH stuff as the first half of the card and so didn't mind it so much when it wasn't great, I just took it as allowing things to build to the second half of the show.
Still, it's really too bad; I heard the 17th Anniversary Show PPV was solid, but for this show they screwed up by not following NJPW's lead and coming out guns blazing. You can tell New japan wanted to make a massive impact with this show: they brought their top talent, gave them marquee matches, fully unleashed them and basically said "go show the world what we are and what we do". ROH could've done something similar if they treated this more like their last PPV, but instead they ran with angles and starting new storylines rather than satisfactorily wrapping up older ones, ladder match aside. Make Rush/Castle an actual match, book the street fight as a six man match from the get-go and forgo the prematch silliness, and I think even just those two changes alone would've left a much better taste in people's mouths.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 7, 2019 15:16:01 GMT -5
It's funny, inside the arena I didn't think ROH's stuff was that bad...not great, mind you, and REALLY overshadowed by how great NJPW's material was, which makes it highly disappointing given the stakes of this show, but I didn't think anybody came out and took a shit in the middle of the ring or something (unless we want to count the Enzo/Cass angle). I think I just viewed the bulk of the ROH stuff as the first half of the card and so didn't mind it so much when it wasn't great, I just took it as allowing things to build to the second half of the show. Still, it's really too bad; I heard the 17th Anniversary Show PPV was solid, but for this show they screwed up by not following NJPW's lead and coming out guns blazing. You can tell New japan wanted to make a massive impact with this show: they brought their top talent, gave them marquee matches, fully unleashed them and basically said "go show the world what we are and what we do". ROH could've done something similar if they treated this more like their last PPV, but instead they ran with angles and starting new storylines rather than satisfactorily wrapping up older ones, ladder match aside. Make Rush/Castle an actual match, book the street fight as a six man match from the get-go and forgo the prematch silliness, and I think even just those two changes alone would've left a much better taste in people's mouths. Really bad production values have plagued them for like, most if not all of their existence. It's not good enough to not be Triplemania levels of incompetent, it's worth spending some money on, so I don't get how it has always been such a low priority for them.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 7, 2019 15:21:26 GMT -5
It's funny, inside the arena I didn't think ROH's stuff was that bad...not great, mind you, and REALLY overshadowed by how great NJPW's material was, which makes it highly disappointing given the stakes of this show, but I didn't think anybody came out and took a shit in the middle of the ring or something (unless we want to count the Enzo/Cass angle). I think I just viewed the bulk of the ROH stuff as the first half of the card and so didn't mind it so much when it wasn't great, I just took it as allowing things to build to the second half of the show. Still, it's really too bad; I heard the 17th Anniversary Show PPV was solid, but for this show they screwed up by not following NJPW's lead and coming out guns blazing. You can tell New japan wanted to make a massive impact with this show: they brought their top talent, gave them marquee matches, fully unleashed them and basically said "go show the world what we are and what we do". ROH could've done something similar if they treated this more like their last PPV, but instead they ran with angles and starting new storylines rather than satisfactorily wrapping up older ones, ladder match aside. Make Rush/Castle an actual match, book the street fight as a six man match from the get-go and forgo the prematch silliness, and I think even just those two changes alone would've left a much better taste in people's mouths. Really bad production values have plagued them for like, most if not all of their existence. It's not good enough to not be Triplemania levels of incompetent, it's worth spending some money on, so I don't get how it has always been such a low priority for them. The most insulting part of ROH being consistently shit at live production is Sinclair owns like half of the news channels in America.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Apr 7, 2019 15:29:34 GMT -5
We also have Bully Ray! Remember him from ECW and The Attitude Era? He’s pushing 50 but we have him! Ah, the Cousin Eddie argument. Yep, Bully Ray's shitter is full
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