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Post by jason1980s on May 23, 2019 18:45:07 GMT -5
Considering they are focusing more on the lawyer's bad character than anyone in WWE's good character is telling, in my opinion. Sounds more like they are trying to get revenge on Kryos at the expense of Ashley's life and death. And they probably know if they portray Vince McMahon of good quality character that witnesses against him will come out and his past will come back to light.
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Post by stevec484 on May 23, 2019 19:19:57 GMT -5
With how under-reported sexual assaults are for multitudes of reasons, I wouldn't be surprised if this actually happened, but Ashley never told anyone about it until she got talked into it by that ambulance chaser. I could also believe it's a giant cover-up (and not even one perpetrated by WWE higher ups) because we've seen these types of massive institutional cover-ups surrounding sexual assault a disturbing amount of times the past couple of decades or so. Could you also believe the simplest explanation, that she made it up in order to help win the lawsuit and get money?
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Post by jason1980s on May 24, 2019 15:23:00 GMT -5
The simpler explanation is that an individual who covered up a possible murder would cover up sexual assault especially when it involved negativity about a good public relations trip with the troops. The same person played the victim when his own business was in the dumps against competitors yet stopped at nothing to destroy every other head of the competition when he could. The McMahon mindset is not like a normal human beings. Vince's own daughter equated the 9/11 terrorist attacks with the government putting Vince McMahon on trial for steroids. As for the lawsuit, Ashley got nothing from it. If money was her gain she could have gone right to WWE before being a part of it and held them up for money. Many victims not only blame themselves for being raped but also often decide not to come forward because they are automatically not believed. Vince McMahon may live out the rest of his life never paying for some of the evils he's done or the evils he's allowed to happen but if this is true (I believe it is) and Ashley gets some justice, I don't see the kids being able to sustain the business without the pure evilness of Vince McMahon heading the company.
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 24, 2019 15:31:04 GMT -5
The simpler explanation is that an individual who covered up a possible murder would cover up sexual assault especially when it involved negativity about a good public relations trip with the troops. The same person played the victim when his own business was in the dumps against competitors yet stopped at nothing to destroy every other head of the competition when he could. The McMahon mindset is not like a normal human beings. Vince's own daughter equated the 9/11 terrorist attacks with the government putting Vince McMahon on trial for steroids. As for the lawsuit, Ashley got nothing from it. If money was her gain she could have gone right to WWE before being a part of it and held them up for money. Many victims not only blame themselves for being raped but also often decide not to come forward because they are automatically not believed. Vince McMahon may live out the rest of his life never paying for some of the evils he's done or the evils he's allowed to happen but if this is true (I believe it is) and Ashley gets some justice, I don't see the kids being able to sustain the business without the pure evilness of Vince McMahon heading the company. I mean I wouldn’t doubt that Vince would do this, but it’s still innocent till proven guilty and Nobody in the story had corroborated with the information given, plus this lawyer is shady AF as well. However, the one thing that stuck out to me was her working hurt/getting her cast off early. Did wwe ever dispute that
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Post by Sparkybob on May 24, 2019 15:39:34 GMT -5
I think something happen to Ashley but I can't say with confidence that the WWE actively tried to cover it up. If you want to go after the WWE/Vince there are other aspects of their behavior that deserves negative attention that are a bit more clear cut.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 24, 2019 16:02:03 GMT -5
Something is still very, very off about this whole thing. What seems off to you? The fact that when she passed, they immediately released a statement that essentially said "It's sad she died. BY THE WAY, HERE'S A STATEMENT SHE SENT US APOLOGIZING TO US AND EXONERATING US OF ANY WRONGDOING YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE HEARING ABOUT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE AND ALSO BY THE WAY, THE ONE LAWYER IS A QUACK AND WE WANT TO MAKE THAT THE POINT OF THIS!!!!!"
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Post by jason1980s on May 24, 2019 16:42:45 GMT -5
The fact that when she passed, they immediately released a statement that essentially said "It's sad she died. BY THE WAY, HERE'S A STATEMENT SHE SENT US APOLOGIZING TO US AND EXONERATING US OF ANY WRONGDOING YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE HEARING ABOUT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE AND ALSO BY THE WAY, THE ONE LAWYER IS A QUACK AND WE WANT TO MAKE THAT THE POINT OF THIS!!!!!" It definitely reeked of typical WWE pettiness. Her life and death took a back seat to WWE's issues with Kryos. It's a shame he put together a lawsuit with so many guys who rarely worked for WWF throughout their history. He could have gone with a smaller group where there's more possibility for proof. WWE wants to control all over wrestling so I get some of the ECW guys wanting to be involved because I'm sure they are the most hurt but ultimately their damages most likely didn't happen in the actual WWE.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 16:53:50 GMT -5
The fact that when she passed, they immediately released a statement that essentially said "It's sad she died. BY THE WAY, HERE'S A STATEMENT SHE SENT US APOLOGIZING TO US AND EXONERATING US OF ANY WRONGDOING YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE HEARING ABOUT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE AND ALSO BY THE WAY, THE ONE LAWYER IS A QUACK AND WE WANT TO MAKE THAT THE POINT OF THIS!!!!!" You would stay silent when an Internet story surfaces that basically accuses the owner of your company of downplaying and then hiding a rape? This doesn't seem odd to me whatsoever. If no one corroborated the story, including a very vocal friend of the deceased victim, then what exactly is so fishy?
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 24, 2019 16:58:51 GMT -5
The fact that when she passed, they immediately released a statement that essentially said "It's sad she died. BY THE WAY, HERE'S A STATEMENT SHE SENT US APOLOGIZING TO US AND EXONERATING US OF ANY WRONGDOING YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE HEARING ABOUT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE AND ALSO BY THE WAY, THE ONE LAWYER IS A QUACK AND WE WANT TO MAKE THAT THE POINT OF THIS!!!!!" You would stay silent when an Internet story surfaces that basically accuses the owner of your company of downplaying and then hiding a rape? This doesn't seem odd to me whatsoever. The affidavit with the details of the rape accusation hit AFTER WWE posted her old apology to them.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 24, 2019 18:52:34 GMT -5
You would stay silent when an Internet story surfaces that basically accuses the owner of your company of downplaying and then hiding a rape? This doesn't seem odd to me whatsoever. The affidavit with the details of the rape accusation hit AFTER WWE posted her old apology to them. Yeah it's sort of like the ProJared thing where he preemptively said he didn't do anything wrong before anybody accused him of anything.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 24, 2019 18:53:50 GMT -5
Yeah something is weird there, even if it's just them in a rush to head off a PR hit
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Post by Jokaine on May 25, 2019 7:04:27 GMT -5
You would stay silent when an Internet story surfaces that basically accuses the owner of your company of downplaying and then hiding a rape? This doesn't seem odd to me whatsoever. The affidavit with the details of the rape accusation hit AFTER WWE posted her old apology to them. The Blast reported Ashley had died on May 16th. The affidavit was already out there. The Blast then ran a piece on the 17th in which the outlet used the phrase, "WWE tells us," and mentions the letter. The full response from WWE with mentions of a meeting that never occurred seems to have come on or around the 22nd. It seems reasonable to believe that a journalist from the Blast came across the not-exactly hidden information about the sexual assault allegation while putting together the piece about her passing and reached out to WWE for comment.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 25, 2019 7:15:03 GMT -5
It’s still weird WWE’s response is basically “She totally wasn’t raped here”.
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Post by KofiMania on May 25, 2019 8:33:20 GMT -5
It’s still weird WWE’s response is basically “She totally wasn’t raped here”. Except that’s not what their response is? They said she didn’t tell them about a rape and the meeting with Vince, Johnny Ace, etc. never happened.
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Post by KofiMania on May 25, 2019 8:34:09 GMT -5
You would stay silent when an Internet story surfaces that basically accuses the owner of your company of downplaying and then hiding a rape? This doesn't seem odd to me whatsoever. The affidavit with the details of the rape accusation hit AFTER WWE posted her old apology to them. The affidavit itself with all the details might have come out after, but the allegations have been out there for years.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 25, 2019 12:52:24 GMT -5
The fact that when she passed, they immediately released a statement that essentially said "It's sad she died. BY THE WAY, HERE'S A STATEMENT SHE SENT US APOLOGIZING TO US AND EXONERATING US OF ANY WRONGDOING YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE HEARING ABOUT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE AND ALSO BY THE WAY, THE ONE LAWYER IS A QUACK AND WE WANT TO MAKE THAT THE POINT OF THIS!!!!!" Is it really that weird they wouldn’t be feeling the warm fuzzies for a former employee who sued them, and that knowing these allegations would resurface they wanted to get out ahead of them?
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 25, 2019 13:27:54 GMT -5
The fact that when she passed, they immediately released a statement that essentially said "It's sad she died. BY THE WAY, HERE'S A STATEMENT SHE SENT US APOLOGIZING TO US AND EXONERATING US OF ANY WRONGDOING YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE HEARING ABOUT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE AND ALSO BY THE WAY, THE ONE LAWYER IS A QUACK AND WE WANT TO MAKE THAT THE POINT OF THIS!!!!!" Is it really that weird they wouldn’t be feeling the warm fuzzies for a former employee who sued them, and that knowing these allegations would resurface they wanted to get out ahead of them? The route they took is absolutely weird. At least two others from the lawsuit died and all they did was send condolences
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 26, 2019 9:51:09 GMT -5
If the email from Ashley is legit, it reads like a textbook abuse survivor trying to get back with their abuser anyway. Like, even if it is true I think it's an indication of how out of touch they are that they thought that would help them.
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Post by Jokaine on May 26, 2019 10:13:17 GMT -5
If the email from Ashley is legit, it reads like a textbook abuse survivor trying to get back with their abuser anyway. Like, even if it is true I think it's an indication of how out of touch they are that they thought that would help them. The apology letter could also be seen as a textbook 8th step move too, right? I'm sure if she was battling her addictions at the time of the affidavit and then got clean, she or her sponsor could certainly see those actions as wronging people. It would make sense that the letter of apology would be the making amends part of the 8th step.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 26, 2019 10:19:34 GMT -5
If the email from Ashley is legit, it reads like a textbook abuse survivor trying to get back with their abuser anyway. Like, even if it is true I think it's an indication of how out of touch they are that they thought that would help them. The apology letter could also be seen as a textbook 8th step move too, right? I'm sure if she was battling her addictions at the time of the affidavit and then got clean, she or her sponsor could certainly see those actions as wronging people. It would make sense that the letter of apology would be the making amends part of the 8th step. That paints a slightly more flattering light on it, but it does make sense; it is also wholely possible for it to be both.
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