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Post by Jokaine on May 26, 2019 16:55:14 GMT -5
Me, I'm always 100% down for believing victims off rip. Even with the Jussie Smollett situation from the beginning I was down for him. However, once new comments and details are introduced I start analyzing more because things aren't as easy to decode as they were in the beginning. In this case the fact that WWE's statement and that lawyer are involved, that makes me question some stuff. We also need one of these people to step up and clarify some things. This is so serious that there needs to be people speaking on it and the fact that those others who were there aren't is just, weird. I don't get it. At the end of the day it could have happened or it could not have happened. This is a weird and unfortunate story especially when Ashley isn't here to speak on it and the same for those others who refuse to comment as well. That's my last comment until we get new info because it's like a stalemate until then. I cant make heads or tails of anything. I with you're first two paragraphs. The only part I would disagree with is the piece about people speaking on it. It's my understanding, and I could be misreading it, that the individuals who Ashley claimed to have told about the alleged assault and who could corroborate her behavior after the alleged assault all said none of those things ever happened. That, plus the letter of apology which could have occurred during a time of sobriety, makes it hard for me to believe anything happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 17:02:45 GMT -5
Me, I'm always 100% down for believing victims off rip. Even with the Jussie Smollett situation from the beginning I was down for him. However, once new comments and details are introduced I start analyzing more because things aren't as easy to decode as they were in the beginning. In this case the fact that WWE's statement and that lawyer are involved, that makes me question some stuff. We also need one of these people to step up and clarify some things. This is so serious that there needs to be people speaking on it and the fact that those others who were there aren't is just, weird. I don't get it. At the end of the day it could have happened or it could not have happened. This is a weird and unfortunate story especially when Ashley isn't here to speak on it and the same for those others who refuse to comment as well. That's my last comment until we get new info because it's like a stalemate until then. I cant make heads or tails of anything. I with you're first two paragraphs. The only part I would disagree with is the piece about people speaking on it. It's my understanding, and I could be misreading it, that the individuals who Ashley claimed to have told about the alleged assault and who could corroborate her behavior after the alleged assault all said none of those things ever happened. That, plus the letter of apology which could have occurred during a time of sobriety, makes it hard for me to believe anything happened. When I mean they mentioning it I'm talking about recently. This story's gained some sort of traction so surely they could have heard about it especially Maria who was supporting Ashley's daughter's GoFundMe. She had the perfect opportunity to mention this and yet she didn't so, I don't know.
This is just a weird story from all sides.
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Post by Jokaine on May 26, 2019 17:02:54 GMT -5
The whole apology letter seems to undo accusation, thus taking away the "victim." Regardless, if an accuser, who at the time of accusation is struggling with addiction and also looking for a payday, tells you to ask five people for confirmation about the accusation and all five tell you it never happened like that, would you still trust the accuser? To stay on the part of addiction, you say trust the accuser. Cool. Would you trust that accuser, who is battling the illness of addiction and also looking for a cash-in, with unmonitored access to your checking, savings and retirement accounts? If the answer to that question is no, why would you trust that person's word under the exact same circumstances? Saying the apology letter undoes anything shows a complete lack of understanding of how abusive relationships work and the effect they have. I would recommend you look that up, because being able to spot it in someone you know would be a useful skill to have. I'm very familiar. I've physically and abusive relationships up close and have even had to drag someone out of a house of domestic violence. I'm also married to a LCSW. As I mentioned earlier, what you described was also the eighth of 12 steps. Based on Ashley's life, that would seem to be every bit as likely, possibly even more so, that she was working a program as opposed to she was treating a former employer from literally 10 years earlier the same as one would treat an abusive spouse.
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Post by Jokaine on May 26, 2019 17:06:36 GMT -5
I with you're first two paragraphs. The only part I would disagree with is the piece about people speaking on it. It's my understanding, and I could be misreading it, that the individuals who Ashley claimed to have told about the alleged assault and who could corroborate her behavior after the alleged assault all said none of those things ever happened. That, plus the letter of apology which could have occurred during a time of sobriety, makes it hard for me to believe anything happened. When I mean they mentioning it I'm talking about recently. This story's gained some sort of traction so surely they could have heard about it especially Maria who was supporting Ashley's daughter's GoFundMe. She had the perfect opportunity to mention this and yet she didn't so, I don't know.
This is just a weird story from all sides.
The fact that Maria is not mentioning it speaks volumes to me about its lack of merit. Hell some people on here want to annoint people into sainthood as soon as they die. It would be understandable that Maria wouldn't want to say Ashley made up a rape allegation before the ground is even hard in the cemetery.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 26, 2019 17:09:55 GMT -5
Saying the apology letter undoes anything shows a complete lack of understanding of how abusive relationships work and the effect they have. I would recommend you look that up, because being able to spot it in someone you know would be a useful skill to have. I'm very familiar. I've physically and abusive relationships up close and have even had to drag someone out of a house of domestic violence. I'm also married to a LCSW. As I mentioned earlier, what you described was also the eighth of 12 steps. Based on Ashley's life, that would seem to be every bit as likely, possibly even more so, that she was working a program as opposed to she was treating a former employer from literally 10 years earlier the same as one would treat an abusive spouse. It's entirely possible it was both at the same time. And substance abuse problems are extremely common in survivors of abuse. It being an eighth step letter doesn't immediately disqualify it from also being symptomatic of abuse she has suffered. If you know as many people as you're saying you do that have been through something like this, I am utterly baffled at your seeming unwillingness to not put more stock in Ashley's side of this than WWE's.
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Post by Jokaine on May 26, 2019 17:24:29 GMT -5
I'm very familiar. I've physically and abusive relationships up close and have even had to drag someone out of a house of domestic violence. I'm also married to a LCSW. As I mentioned earlier, what you described was also the eighth of 12 steps. Based on Ashley's life, that would seem to be every bit as likely, possibly even more so, that she was working a program as opposed to she was treating a former employer from literally 10 years earlier the same as one would treat an abusive spouse. It's entirely possible it was both at the same time. And substance abuse problems are extremely common in survivors of abuse. It being an eighth step letter doesn't immediately disqualify it from also being symptomatic of abuse she has suffered. If you know as many people as you're saying you do that have been through something like this, I am utterly baffled at your seeming unwillingness to not put more stock in Ashley's side of this than WWE's. I'm not putting a lot of stock in her initial accusation because it seems she walked it back in her apology. I'm not putting a lot of stock in her initial accusation because she named a bunch of people who supposedly could corroborate her story and they subsequently denied it. One of those people, Maria, seems like she would have co-signed on it if it was true. And I do know people who were in the situation you have created for Ashley (abusive relationship). I also know plenty of people who are and were in the same situation Ashley was apparently in at the time she levied the accusation. In my experience they are typically not the most reliable and trustworthy individuals, especially not when the need for or possibility of acquiring money is involved.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 17:27:09 GMT -5
When I mean they mentioning it I'm talking about recently. This story's gained some sort of traction so surely they could have heard about it especially Maria who was supporting Ashley's daughter's GoFundMe. She had the perfect opportunity to mention this and yet she didn't so, I don't know.
This is just a weird story from all sides.
The fact that Maria is not mentioning it speaks volumes to me about its lack of merit. Hell some people on here want to annoint people into sainthood as soon as they die. It would be understandable that Maria wouldn't want to say Ashley made up a rape allegation before the ground is even hard in the cemetery. Who knows. She could be lawyering up, she could just not want to address it yet but regardless it's too fishy to make heads or tails of it. Anyway yeah that's really my last post on it until more details lol. I feel like I've been saying the same stuff for pages now so yeah lol.
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Post by jason1980s on May 26, 2019 18:12:35 GMT -5
Most class-action lawsuits have some people who deserve money and other people who are trying to cash-in. I don't know where to start with your second paragraph. You actually state that you form your opinions off of of people based on the characters they portray on TV. By the way Paul Levesque is not the Chief Operating Officer of WWE. That's the character named Triple H who he plays on TV. Levesque's actual position with the company, aside from that of actor, is Executive Vice President of Talent Relations and Live Events. I like the part where you get into criticizing wrestling fans in the 21st Century of being too stupid to recognize that the stuff they are watching is scripted. Seriously, you're all over the pace. You're entire take could be summed up with, "I believe the accusations because they're heels!" Many people obviously believed the angle that Donald Trump was the new owner of Raw otherwise the stock market wouldn't have been affected. Again, WWE's blurred lines between fantasy and reality. So why shouldn't we believe that some of the disgusting storylines or angles are in fact reality. They may not be reality to you or other fans but they certainly appear to be Vince McMahon's reality. In fact, given one suggested storyline of incest with his own daughter, perhaps one should believe he harbored bitterness towards Randy Savage because he believed the Savage-Stephanie rumor and he himself wished that it had been him, and not Savage, who was part of a sexual incident with Stephanie. One can not deny the sickness in the man's mind. If he OKs some of the storylines or suggests storylines of such sickness who shouldn't put it past him to cover up a sexual assault? Pretty much done with this post but will respond to any and all future posts that can help further justice for Ashley but points being: McMahon enjoys blurring fantasy and reality and his fantasies are often very sickening and most times against his employees. He's already been involved in covering up a crime (death of Nancy Argentino) Ashley gained nothing, absolutely nothing from being part of the lawsuit. If money and cash grab was her intent then she could have exited the lawsuit, approached WWE by herself and made up a story to get hush money from them or approached WWE with her lawyer or any lawyer who would take her money, approached WWE and tried to extort money.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 26, 2019 21:39:06 GMT -5
This is another one that won't go away, but has been impossible to prove. Several members of the police department at the time had been interviewed, and even today, they emphatically deny there was any kind of a bribe or impropriety. Like this recent thing with Ashley, there's a chance it's true, but until someone else corroborates it, it's just speculation.
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Post by Jokaine on May 27, 2019 10:11:19 GMT -5
This is another one that won't go away, but has been impossible to prove. Several members of the police department at the time had been interviewed, and even today, they emphatically deny there was any kind of a bribe or impropriety. Like this recent thing with Ashley, there's a chance it's true, but until someone else corroborates it, it's just speculation. That was my understanding of the case, as well, but I didn't want to get into that with the guy who introduced it to this thread. The entire basis of his hatred for McMahon and apparently Triple H, too, is they do heelish stuff on a scripted TV program. I bet he thinks Bill Skarsgard is a real bastard for what he did to those poor kids in Derry, Maine.
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Post by KofiMania on May 27, 2019 16:36:08 GMT -5
At the time of the lawsuit, WWE denied the allegations in a footnote in one of their briefs and said:
So they acknowledged that she told others about a pelvic exam. But it seems no one ever corroborated her other allegations.
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