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Post by The Ichi on May 26, 2019 11:25:31 GMT -5
Really I think the only way we'll know for sure is if Maria, Ron Simmons or the others on the tour that she confessed to confirm.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 26, 2019 11:44:43 GMT -5
I believe her. WWE have in recent years shown more than ever that they have no moral compass and are prepared to do anything for their self interests.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on May 26, 2019 11:53:47 GMT -5
I don't know, something just doesn't seem right to me about the defense of "all these people listed who are still employed with us in one way or another, and thus have something to lose from speaking out, definitely didn't hear anything about this thing that could paint our company in a really bad light."
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Post by Jokaine on May 26, 2019 12:29:54 GMT -5
Really I think the only way we'll know for sure is if Maria, Ron Simmons or the others on the tour that she confessed to confirm. Haven't Maria, Ron Simmons and the others already said none of this happened? If you think they're not being truthful now, why would you believe them later, other than that it would lend credibility to something you want to believe? Finally, doesn't the fact that Maria never said anything make you skeptical?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 26, 2019 12:36:07 GMT -5
Really I think the only way we'll know for sure is if Maria, Ron Simmons or the others on the tour that she confessed to confirm. This is a nonsense. In so many ways.
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Post by jason1980s on May 26, 2019 13:12:09 GMT -5
I don't think anyone would come out and speak truth on her behalf. It would open up a huge can of worms for why they never spoke up to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 13:23:08 GMT -5
I believe her. WWE have in recent years shown more than ever that they have no moral compass and are prepared to do anything for their self interests. Please elaborate on how WWE has shown recently that they would voluntarily silence a victim's retelling of sexual abuse.
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Post by jason1980s on May 26, 2019 13:36:50 GMT -5
They've employed Bradshaw for over 20 years despite being involved in backstage sexual related assaults (soaping guys). They allowed Bradshaw to get away with physical assault (Blue Meanie the best example) and mental and emotional assault on Mauro Renallo. Point to any wrestler with the company since 1996 and if they are not lying to keep their jobs, they probably witnessed Bradshaw doing something bad or know of a truthful story about their fellow wrestlers where Bradshaw did something of the assaulting nature whether physical, sexual, emotional or mental. They not only allowed Hardcore Holly to abuse a rookie but it made the cut to be on a TV show. There's also the La Resistance guy story. I would also consider a naked persons but in another persons face to be sexual assault and it really was only after A LOT of backlash that they let go of Bill Demott. And what about the kiss my ass club? If any number of employees turned down that angle on TV, you know they would either no longer be employed or they would be demoted in some way. This is a company where one of the higher ups (though 18 years ago) compared the 9/11 terrorist attacks to the FBI going after her father for steroid distribution. The McMahons (at least three of them, not Linda or Shane) have no concept of anything but their own selfishness and power.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 26, 2019 13:43:55 GMT -5
I believe her. WWE have in recent years shown more than ever that they have no moral compass and are prepared to do anything for their self interests. Please elaborate on how WWE has shown recently that they would voluntarily silence a victim's retelling of sexual abuse. Doing business with a theocratic regime who butchered a journalist, for one.
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Post by Shy Guy on May 26, 2019 13:46:23 GMT -5
Really I think the only way we'll know for sure is if Maria, Ron Simmons or the others on the tour that she confessed to confirm. Because God forbid we just trust the victim herself
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 26, 2019 13:56:52 GMT -5
Really I think the only way we'll know for sure is if Maria, Ron Simmons or the others on the tour that she confessed to confirm. Because God forbid we just trust the victim herself I mean I doubt Maria would be the type of person to sweep something under the rug like this. Rape allegations should be taken seriously, but also “innocent until proven guilty”, and yes I know wwe has done some shady shit in the past but this is still a situation that could of gotten them in deep shit
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Post by Jokaine on May 26, 2019 14:08:08 GMT -5
Really I think the only way we'll know for sure is if Maria, Ron Simmons or the others on the tour that she confessed to confirm. Because God forbid we just trust the victim herself The whole apology letter seems to undo accusation, thus taking away the "victim." Regardless, if an accuser, who at the time of accusation is struggling with addiction and also looking for a payday, tells you to ask five people for confirmation about the accusation and all five tell you it never happened like that, would you still trust the accuser? To stay on the part of addiction, you say trust the accuser. Cool. Would you trust that accuser, who is battling the illness of addiction and also looking for a cash-in, with unmonitored access to your checking, savings and retirement accounts? If the answer to that question is no, why would you trust that person's word under the exact same circumstances?
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Post by The Ichi on May 26, 2019 14:59:41 GMT -5
Really I think the only way we'll know for sure is if Maria, Ron Simmons or the others on the tour that she confessed to confirm. Because God forbid we just trust the victim herself I do believe her, please do not put words in my mouth. I 100% believe her. I meant more that's the only way the skeptics will, sadly.
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Post by jason1980s on May 26, 2019 15:40:32 GMT -5
If she were looking for a cash in, as some have suggested, she would've approached WWE about money whether a pay off or coming back under contract. And maybe the majority of the Kryos lawsuit was junk but maybe there were a few people who really do deserve justice from WWE and she was one of them. Maybe those few people felt this guy was their only hope and they would take whoever they could to get their justice. Maybe being involved with the lawsuit backfired on the few deserving but when you're in a jam you'll go with anyone who you think can prove your case or fight on your behalf. Vince McMahon may live out the rest of his life relatively untouched by evils he's done or allowed to happen but the house of cards will eventually fall down on Stephanie and Hunter. Time will not be on their side like it is with Vince.
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Post by Jokaine on May 26, 2019 16:06:15 GMT -5
If she were looking for a cash in, as some have suggested, she would've approached WWE about money whether a pay off or coming back under contract. And maybe the majority of the Kryos lawsuit was junk but maybe there were a few people who really do deserve justice from WWE and she was one of them. Maybe those few people felt this guy was their only hope and they would take whoever they could to get their justice. Maybe being involved with the lawsuit backfired on the few deserving but when you're in a jam you'll go with anyone who you think can prove your case or fight on your behalf. Vince McMahon may live out the rest of his life relatively untouched by evils he's done or allowed to happen but the house of cards will eventually fall down on Stephanie and Hunter. Time will not be on their side like it is with Vince. Well, that's certainly a way to see it. A whole lot of maybes there but you definitely seem convinced. Try a few more maybes. Maybe the reason she didn't try to cash in back in 2006 is because nothing happened in 2006. Maybe she got lured into a class-action suit who thought his case (which got tossed out for being frivolous) was not strong enough and he needed something extra to vilify the defendants. Maybe that lawyer found a co-conspirator who was in a bad enough way and willing enough to concoct the whole story and enter it as part of the suit. Then a couple years later when said person was trying beat back her addictions decided to apologize for the whole thing and basically say the lawyer had lured her into the case. Again, I'm just theorizing and connecting dots but at least I'm drawing from stuff that actually happened.
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Post by FinalGwen on May 26, 2019 16:16:05 GMT -5
Why would they feel the need to concoct this story when Ashley's case was already the perfect example of everything they accused WWE of?
- Never worked for other major companies taking crazy bumps. - Wasn't trained correctly, and was denied opportunities to learn how to wrestle more safely. - Was thrown in the deep end and put in matches before she was ready, leading to injuries. - Had her existing injuries disregarded, putting her physical safety in greater peril. - Didn't know the full danger of concussions.
That's all you really need for her to be a picture of WWE being negligent. This, however, is so different to pretty much everything else in the Kyros lawsuit that it'd be weirder for it to be made up from whole cloth. And are we really doubting she was dealing with some serious mental trauma given what's happened since?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 16:16:33 GMT -5
Me, I'm always 100% down for believing victims off rip. Even with the Jussie Smollett situation from the beginning I was down for him. However, once new comments and details are introduced I start analyzing more because things aren't as easy to decode as they were in the beginning.
In this case the fact that WWE's statement and that lawyer are involved, that makes me question some stuff. We also need one of these people to step up and clarify some things. This is so serious that there needs to be people speaking on it and the fact that those others who were there aren't is just, weird. I don't get it.
At the end of the day it could have happened or it could not have happened. This is a weird and unfortunate story especially when Ashley isn't here to speak on it and the same for those others who refuse to comment as well.
That's my last comment until we get new info because it's like a stalemate until then. I cant make heads or tails of anything.
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Post by jason1980s on May 26, 2019 16:26:47 GMT -5
Well, that's certainly a way to see it. A whole lot of maybes there but you definitely seem convinced. Try a few more maybes. Maybe the reason she didn't try to cash in back in 2006 is because nothing happened in 2006. Maybe she got lured into a class-action suit who thought his case (which got tossed out for being frivolous) was not strong enough and he needed something extra to vilify the defendants. Maybe that lawyer found a co-conspirator who was in a bad enough way and willing enough to concoct the whole story and enter it as part of the suit. Then a couple years later when said person was trying beat back her addictions decided to apologize for the whole thing and basically say the lawyer had lured her into the case. Again, I'm just theorizing and connecting dots but at least I'm drawing from stuff that actually happened. You're right, I have a lot of maybes. My point is, she shouldn't be made to look like someone looking to "cash in" just based on being involved in the lawsuit. Other than that one particular instance was there any other instance of her trying to get any kind of money out of WWE? And I wouldn't even classify being involved in the lawsuit as her trying specifically to get money or cash grab etc...I think every person involved probably feels wronged by WWE for some reason and probably feels their case is just as strong as any. They should not be put down for believing they are wronged by an employer who truly has wronged a lot of people. I would not put anything and I mean ANYTHING past a company whose owner has a kiss my ass club on TV or a COO who did a skit involving a sexual act with a dead body. And yes, I know it's a scripted entertainment show just like Law & Order but wrestling companies blur the lines between fact and fiction so often that it's not always a clear cut case of this is a scripted television show like a fictionalized show like a Law & Order. The owner and future U.S. President had people believing the company was really being sold which resulted in very real stock decline because the company so often attempts to portray fiction as reality for some sort of twisted entertainment value. The owner of the company has a 36 year history (if it starts with Nancy Argentino's death) of attempting to keep all power gained no matter the cost. It certainly wouldn't end with sexual assault of an employee.
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Post by Jokaine on May 26, 2019 16:50:33 GMT -5
Well, that's certainly a way to see it. A whole lot of maybes there but you definitely seem convinced. Try a few more maybes. Maybe the reason she didn't try to cash in back in 2006 is because nothing happened in 2006. Maybe she got lured into a class-action suit who thought his case (which got tossed out for being frivolous) was not strong enough and he needed something extra to vilify the defendants. Maybe that lawyer found a co-conspirator who was in a bad enough way and willing enough to concoct the whole story and enter it as part of the suit. Then a couple years later when said person was trying beat back her addictions decided to apologize for the whole thing and basically say the lawyer had lured her into the case. Again, I'm just theorizing and connecting dots but at least I'm drawing from stuff that actually happened. You're right, I have a lot of maybes. My point is, she shouldn't be made to look like someone looking to "cash in" just based on being involved in the lawsuit. Other than that one particular instance was there any other instance of her trying to get any kind of money out of WWE? And I wouldn't even classify being involved in the lawsuit as her trying specifically to get money or cash grab etc...I think every person involved probably feels wronged by WWE for some reason and probably feels their case is just as strong as any. They should not be put down for believing they are wronged by an employer who truly has wronged a lot of people. I would not put anything and I mean ANYTHING past a company whose owner has a kiss my ass club on TV or a COO who did a skit involving a sexual act with a dead body. And yes, I know it's a scripted entertainment show just like Law & Order but wrestling companies blur the lines between fact and fiction so often that it's not always a clear cut case of this is a scripted television show like a fictionalized show like a Law & Order. The owner and future U.S. President had people believing the company was really being sold which resulted in very real stock decline because the company so often attempts to portray fiction as reality for some sort of twisted entertainment value. The owner of the company has a 36 year history (if it starts with Nancy Argentino's death) of attempting to keep all power gained no matter the cost. It certainly wouldn't end with sexual assault of an employee. Most class-action lawsuits have some people who deserve money and other people who are trying to cash-in. I don't know where to start with your second paragraph. You actually state that you form your opinions off of of people based on the characters they portray on TV. By the way Paul Levesque is not the Chief Operating Officer of WWE. That's the character named Triple H who he plays on TV. Levesque's actual position with the company, aside from that of actor, is Executive Vice President of Talent Relations and Live Events. I like the part where you get into criticizing wrestling fans in the 21st Century of being too stupid to recognize that the stuff they are watching is scripted. Seriously, you're all over the pace. You're entire take could be summed up with, "I believe the accusations because they're heels!"
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 26, 2019 16:51:06 GMT -5
Because God forbid we just trust the victim herself The whole apology letter seems to undo accusation, thus taking away the "victim." Regardless, if an accuser, who at the time of accusation is struggling with addiction and also looking for a payday, tells you to ask five people for confirmation about the accusation and all five tell you it never happened like that, would you still trust the accuser? To stay on the part of addiction, you say trust the accuser. Cool. Would you trust that accuser, who is battling the illness of addiction and also looking for a cash-in, with unmonitored access to your checking, savings and retirement accounts? If the answer to that question is no, why would you trust that person's word under the exact same circumstances? Saying the apology letter undoes anything shows a complete lack of understanding of how abusive relationships work and the effect they have. I would recommend you look that up, because being able to spot it in someone you know would be a useful skill to have.
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