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Post by Cyno on May 19, 2019 21:17:57 GMT -5
I wonder if any of the anti-hype people have actually seen these guys work any matches or storylines outside of Cody's WWE work.
Hell, Chris Jericho is on the payroll. He's the epitome of Sports Entertainment if anything.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 21:19:37 GMT -5
Well can they at least sign Luchasaurus
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Post by Mozenrath on May 19, 2019 21:20:32 GMT -5
It's fine to not care, either yet or ever, but if you're not the least bit curious where having another power in the wrestling landscape is going to lead, I don't really know what could interest you.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 21:25:31 GMT -5
They haven’t run a single show I’d wait till atleast the tv starts before forming my opinion on what AEW is.
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Post by Perfect Timing on May 19, 2019 21:29:39 GMT -5
I find it funny seeing guys wearing AEW hoodies at conventions over here in UK when they have not done a single show yet. I will give them a chance but I'm not a fan of Cody or generic guys. Who’s generic among them?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 21:32:42 GMT -5
I’ll watch the show when it’s on TNT.
I had a better more forcused post. But when it came to it, I just deleted everything kept to three or four bullet points and probably kept my most ridiculous ones. I was looking to start a decision more than anything.
I just don’t see how this can live up to the hype. I really hope they do succeed and force WWE to actually give a shit about their own product.
I know most of the main roster.I’ve watched the first Jericho vs. Omega match. I’ve seen the Cody/Dustin hype videos. I’ve seen enough Buck matches to know I hate them. Neville sucks and looks like an elf. Jericho is probably one of my favorite wrestlers of all time. I just don’t know if this is enough to keep my interest long or short term.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 22:08:41 GMT -5
Huh.
Most of these wrestlers have gimmicks though?
Watch All In and off the top of my head, you have a female doctor (Britt Baker), Chelsea Green who has a unique look with the smeared lipstick and Leva Bates who is doing a Librarian gimmick.
On the guy side, you have Sonny Kiss, Pentagon Jr, Kenny Omega, The Bucks, Jungle Boy... all of these guys surely stand out besides being “good rasslers”?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 22:40:02 GMT -5
I've detailed elsewhere so I'll be brief. Not a fan of any of the elite or their style of presentation, or much of their work.
Not a fan of Omega at all.
Jericho has reached "please go away" status every time I see or hear him speak. Overgrown fratboy behaviour is anathema to me. His recent account of mouthing off about Steph (regardless of how you feel about Steph the performer or person, she was completely in the right) struck me as massively entitled.
Tony Khan being given presented as some anti-Vince in some quarters is bothersome. I can't support him with what he's doing at Fulham. I think he's a lot closer to Vince than some realise.
I've been proven very wrong so far but I think there's still a risk of the Codybucks over inflating their bubble and killing their own boom. On this one I defer to them as incredibly canny businessmen.
There is a hint of hype backlash from me too.
THAT ALL SAID....I hope they're successful. If it lights a fire under WWE then that's good and more places to work is great for wrestlers. It's got fans excited and engaged too which can only be a positive.
I've just had to accept it's not a promotion for me.
That....wasn't brief. Apologies.
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Post by Venti on May 19, 2019 23:00:49 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to it just in the sense of seeing a new big scale wrestling show. I don't currently keep up on what any of the elite guys do, but I liked Cody in WWE, and I've always loved Jericho's work.
I do feel like there's people who are bound to be disappointed. Only because some people might be looking for a pure sports-like style(which they've been promising), some people might want something a little more over the top and entertainment based.
They won't be able to please every single person, but at the very least they have the opportunity to provide something new and exciting.
I admit that I almost got completely turned off because of how overbearing people on the internet have been, with the "AEW will destroy the fed" attitudes. But I realize that it's easy to tune that out, and most of those people are probably just really excited. And I know I'm rambling, but it's late lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 23:48:47 GMT -5
I don't necessarily agree with the OP, but one thing that does need to happen is them adding some bigger guys to the roster. We're talking about being on TNT, on worldwide television. Their core guys are mostly tiny, way smaller than what the general public expects to see when they see pro wrestling on their television screen. I know, the little guys are great workers. But perception is reality.
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Post by AwamoriRock on May 20, 2019 0:06:37 GMT -5
I dunno about "don't care", but the core of the product has been a hard sell for me a bit. I dislike The Elite and outside of the ring am a bit doubtful of their creative and ambitions, so I can't say it's a promotion I'm setting my watch to, particularly when I've never really sought a "WWE alternative" because I'm not invested very much in WWE and am juggling ten other promotions I enjoy that would fit that alternative bill for me anyway. In terms of Double or Nothing, I'm only interested in two matches and they largely feature outside talent.
I am keeping my eye on it however, because there's this interesting skeleton of an idea they have there with using outside talent to beef up shows as they mold their own roster. It happens in Japan a lot bu I like the idea of people seeing new stars (although I'm a bit selfishly opposed to them just straight up pilfering people vs. bringing them in for runs). That's a cool aspect, maybe someone sees Yuka tear it up and decides "oh hey, I wanna see more of that girl--wait, DDT is that affordable and I get like three promotions for it?" etc etc. I think there is some inherent naivety in thinking it can work seamlessly with outside champs, storylines, politics, etc., but at the very least the idea of getting all that different talent together is at least the start of good shows.
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Post by Starshine on May 20, 2019 0:32:06 GMT -5
Even if you're not interested in AEW's product by itself, you have to be excited at the potential good it existing can have for pro wrestling as a whole. If just by its existence it encourages WWE to improve itself and fix it's various business and booking flaws, that's a good thing for everyone. When WWE does well, pro wrestling as a whole tends to be a lot healthier. Plus giving more wrestlers genuine options to wrestle for good money is only a good thing.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 20, 2019 1:18:28 GMT -5
I don't necessarily agree with the OP, but one thing that does need to happen is them adding some bigger guys to the roster. We're talking about being on TNT, on worldwide television. Their core guys are mostly tiny, way smaller than what the general public expects to see when they see pro wrestling on their television screen. I know, the little guys are great workers. But perception is reality. Alternately, they can take this opportunity to show that wrestling isn't what it used to be and that big muscle men lumbering around isn't really pro wrestling today. WWE's found plenty of success with smaller guys, and AEW could further that by emphasizing something else. More than twenty years ago, the best part of WCW was the luchadors and all the huge useless guys were kind of just in the way of that. The public can learn to see this more fast paced and athletic wrestling now as just the evolution of wrestling into something visually exciting. That was a lot of what Lucha Underground did well by putting a lot of early focus onto people who could move well and highlighting them right out of the gate, AEW can thrive pushing an extension of that philosophy.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 1:22:51 GMT -5
There are only a small handful of big guys in wrestling compared to how it used to be.
I mean, sure, if Rusev or Harper became available and got signed, I'd love to see them come in and play the big man, but who are the available hosses that are any good?
On the women's side, they do have Nyla Rose, who has a good size, I wouldn't be shocked if she got over in a big way due to standing out.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 20, 2019 1:48:45 GMT -5
In its own way, the hype has grown to such a critical mass that, far from being a detriment, it's become AEW's biggest asset. I don't actually expect the shows to be as strong as prime Lucha Underground, but the sheer fact that AEW's generated so much excitement means it's got the best shot this century of shaking WWE and pro wrestling out of its complacent rut, and providing a platform to taking the genre in new directions.
I still think the biggest test is going to be whether the core quartet are willing to step back and let the right performers look better than them when the booking calls for it. If they can't, this is never going to grow beyond a bloated vanity project for Cody/Omega/the Bucks.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 2:38:38 GMT -5
In its own way, the hype has grown to such a critical mass that, far from being a detriment, it's become AEW's biggest asset. I don't actually expect the shows to be as strong as prime Lucha Underground, but the sheer fact that AEW's generated so much excitement means it's got the best shot this century of shaking WWE and pro wrestling out of its complacent rut, and providing a platform to taking the genre in new directions. I still think the biggest test is going to be whether the core quartet are willing to step back and let the right performers look better than them when the booking calls for it. If they can't, this is never going to grow beyond a bloated vanity project for Cody/Omega/the Bucks. I don't think that's going to be a problem. These guys are willing to put people over, historically, without getting an ego trip. For me, the test will be if they'll treat their workers right, or if we're going to get stories of predatory contracts with shitty pay like Lucha Underground was plagued by, TNA's broken promises, or WWE's weird, mercurial treatment of workers where one week, someone is valued, and then the next, the company can't depush them fast enough.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 20, 2019 3:34:05 GMT -5
In its own way, the hype has grown to such a critical mass that, far from being a detriment, it's become AEW's biggest asset. I don't actually expect the shows to be as strong as prime Lucha Underground, but the sheer fact that AEW's generated so much excitement means it's got the best shot this century of shaking WWE and pro wrestling out of its complacent rut, and providing a platform to taking the genre in new directions. I still think the biggest test is going to be whether the core quartet are willing to step back and let the right performers look better than them when the booking calls for it. If they can't, this is never going to grow beyond a bloated vanity project for Cody/Omega/the Bucks. I don't think that's going to be a problem. These guys are willing to put people over, historically, without getting an ego trip. For me, the test will be if they'll treat their workers right, or if we're going to get stories of predatory contracts with shitty pay like Lucha Underground was plagued by, TNA's broken promises, or WWE's weird, mercurial treatment of workers where one week, someone is valued, and then the next, the company can't depush them fast enough. I think it's really telling that the Bucks specifically have said openly that they feel they only have a few years left in their respected tanks and they very much want to use AEW as a way to scale back as active performers and take a backstage role within the company ASAP. Namely using themselves as fodder within the tag division for the launch and as a way to bring in initial hype till other teams are more established. Cody has expressed similar sentiments, albeit without the expiration date the Bucks have put on themselves. Admittedly it could be hot air, but the Bucks have been pretty candid throughout their careers (sometimes to the detriment of them). I see no reason why they'd lie now. So, in short, I don't see AEW being a vanity project in the sense of it'll always be Cody, Omega and the Bucks at the top of their respected divisions.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 20, 2019 4:04:09 GMT -5
Who’s generic among them? CAWDY
Well, yes, but you said Cody or generic guys, he doesn't count twice. Like them or not, wouldn't call the Bucks, Jericho, Omega, Jimmy Havoc, SCU, Sonny Kiss generic, they've got plenty of characters.
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Post by honsou on May 20, 2019 4:28:35 GMT -5
I don't think AEW is going to be the best wrestling on the planet but I do find the entire backstory and concept interesting enough that I do find it kinda odd if a wrestling fan didn't at least find it intriguing
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 4:40:24 GMT -5
Well, yes, but you said Cody or generic guys, he doesn't count twice. Like them or not, wouldn't call the Bucks, Jericho, Omega, Jimmy Havoc, SCU, Sonny Kiss generic, they've got plenty of characters. I wouldn't call Cody generic, either, not for years now. He's one of the best character guys on the planet these days, but admittedly, I am biased.
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