Nr1Humanoid
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 20, 2019 5:29:25 GMT -5
I want to watch to see if actions truly speaks louder than words.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 20, 2019 6:27:39 GMT -5
It’s hard to get my hopes up with all the hype for it. They haven’t even run a show yet. I’ll definitely watch their debut on TNT. As a lifelong wrestling fan I’ll give it a chance and I hope it does well but I also won’t be surprised if it doesn’t. Your typical internet wrestling fan will probably be tuning in but to grow the company will need to appeal to casual fans and new fans alike. I’m not sure if they can really do that given that wrestling isn’t exactly cool at the moment.
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 20, 2019 6:32:30 GMT -5
It's not that I don't care....I'm just not going to get excited until I see what they can do after a few shows. Like, they come out of the gate with consistently great stuff? They'll have captured my attention. If they're LOLTna levels of medicore? I'm out.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 6:42:24 GMT -5
I don't necessarily agree with the OP, but one thing that does need to happen is them adding some bigger guys to the roster. We're talking about being on TNT, on worldwide television. Their core guys are mostly tiny, way smaller than what the general public expects to see when they see pro wrestling on their television screen. I know, the little guys are great workers. But perception is reality. Alternately, they can take this opportunity to show that wrestling isn't what it used to be and that big muscle men lumbering around isn't really pro wrestling today. WWE's found plenty of success with smaller guys, and AEW could further that by emphasizing something else. More than twenty years ago, the best part of WCW was the luchadors and all the huge useless guys were kind of just in the way of that. The public can learn to see this more fast paced and athletic wrestling now as just the evolution of wrestling into something visually exciting. That was a lot of what Lucha Underground did well by putting a lot of early focus onto people who could move well and highlighting them right out of the gate, AEW can thrive pushing an extension of that philosophy. I don't mean "lumbering around muscle men." I just mean bigger guys who can work. They're out there.
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Post by mrtuesday on May 20, 2019 6:46:36 GMT -5
I have my concerns.
Fans have hyped this show up so much that it'll be impossible for AEW to meet them. The show would have to be the greatest wrestling show ever, and that's impossible.
If the new mystery opponent for Hangman Page isn't Jon Moxley (or someone on that level) people are going to feel lied to, when they weren't promised that.
I hope they can deliver a good show. The problem is the show is overhyped that good won't be enough for fans. And that will hurt them going into their show in the fall.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 20, 2019 6:51:28 GMT -5
Alternately, they can take this opportunity to show that wrestling isn't what it used to be and that big muscle men lumbering around isn't really pro wrestling today. WWE's found plenty of success with smaller guys, and AEW could further that by emphasizing something else. More than twenty years ago, the best part of WCW was the luchadors and all the huge useless guys were kind of just in the way of that. The public can learn to see this more fast paced and athletic wrestling now as just the evolution of wrestling into something visually exciting. That was a lot of what Lucha Underground did well by putting a lot of early focus onto people who could move well and highlighting them right out of the gate, AEW can thrive pushing an extension of that philosophy. I don't mean "lumbering around muscle men." I just mean bigger guys who can work. They're out there. But when you talk about perception, that's what the casual perception of pro wrestling is to anyone who still thinks "wrestleman big". There's a limited number of big guys who can work and they're who WWE has been most aggressive about trying to lock down, I think there's definitely something to be said for trying to present wrestling on the strengths of the people running the show and the styles they know more closely and letting that challenge those perceptions than just trying to get big guys because someone might expect wrestlers to be big.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 20, 2019 6:54:49 GMT -5
Well, yes, but you said Cody or generic guys, he doesn't count twice. Like them or not, wouldn't call the Bucks, Jericho, Omega, Jimmy Havoc, SCU, Sonny Kiss generic, they've got plenty of characters. I wouldn't call Cody generic, either, not for years now. He's one of the best character guys on the planet these days, but admittedly, I am biased. Cody is one of the least generic wrestlers in the industry today. I think some people when talking about "AEW won't have gimmicks or characters" have an extreme one-or-the-other view of the gimmick scale. As if there are no middle grounds between gimmicks like Iceman Dean Malenko and Doink the Clown. No, not true. There's a huge range of how nuanced or extreme a wrestling character can be. It depends on how good the performer is at engaging the crowd and drawing them into the match. And every wrestler doesn't achieve that the same way.
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Post by Raskovnik on May 20, 2019 7:03:06 GMT -5
I wonder if the people who think Cody is generic have watched ANY wrestling, even WWE, since like 2007 because he quickly outgrew that whole CAWdy phase.
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Post by Spider2024 on May 20, 2019 7:13:38 GMT -5
I'll put my concern this way: Will AEW be a 'just workrate' wrestling show, or will there be a decent fusion of entertainment? There is a big difference.
Ring Of Honor I think is the best comparison. the ROH years where James E Cornette was in charge were different than the ROH years where he wasn't.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 7:28:32 GMT -5
I'll put my concern this way: Will AEW be a 'just workrate' wrestling show, or will there be a decent fusion of entertainment? There is a big difference. Ring Of Honor I think is the best comparison. the ROH years where James E Cornette was in charge were different than the ROH years where he wasn't. Probably a fusion. The Elite do love their pageantry, especially Cody, and you have Jericho as one of the top guys, and colorful personalities like Joey Ryan and Pentagon Jr. coming in. There's also all of the Being the Elite stuff that, if it's any reflection on the kind of writing we can expect, has a lot of character work and a good bit of humor in service of that, not at its expense.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 7:31:19 GMT -5
I'm quite looking forward to it. I want another big promotion that isn't WWE, I like the Elite guys, I'm a fan of pretty much everyone they have signed, and All In was my favorite ppv of 2018.
I'm not expecting it to be so awesome that it melts my face off, but I'm sure it will be at least as good as TNA or ROH in their heyday, and that's good enough for me.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 20, 2019 7:45:11 GMT -5
Can’t stand Cody, don’t like the Bucks, neutral on Omega. Jericho is in peak “Go the fxxx away forever” form.
I want to care... but this crew isn’t one I want to root for.
Then I refuse to pay anywhere close to 50$ for a wrestling show, so their PPV’s are already out the window and that makes me care even less.
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Post by cassonova on May 20, 2019 7:45:13 GMT -5
I'm not terribly excited for AEW itself, mostly due to my extensive dislike for the Bucks. I am, however, excited for the concept of AEW and what it mean for the professional wrestling landscape. Competition is good for any industry.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 14:37:11 GMT -5
They just signed Luchasaurus for the battle royal. Now I’m a fan for life. I think they are watching this forum.
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 20, 2019 16:17:11 GMT -5
Eh. I kind of want them to be able to establish themselves, but I'm not even sure what I would want to see out of them.
I'm not super-enamored with the current roster as it stands, but also don't have a lot of names in mind that I'd want to see them pick up.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on May 20, 2019 16:25:09 GMT -5
My interest in Wrestling as a whole has pretty much declined over the years.. I still follow what's going on in the WWE etc but don't go out my way to watch it like I use too.
Had this whole AEW thing happened about 6 years ago I probably would have been more excited about it.. That said I do like some of the ideas I'm hearing about it like the Win/Loss system.
It's a brand new show so there is bound to be a few teething problems at the start..I'll certainly follow it but probably wont go out my way to watch it.
If anything it's the war between AEW and WWE fanboys I am dreading.. For whatever reason there seems to be this thing that if you like one then you have to hate the other.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on May 20, 2019 18:06:57 GMT -5
I hope it succeeds because it'll be better for the industry as a whole, but I understand the OP's point about being a fraternity. From what I've seen from the signings so far, it does feel like there's "too many generals and not enough troops", and the Pac/Page situation underlines this. I don't want to see a situation like WCW where too many people had "creative control".
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Post by Cyno on May 21, 2019 1:36:51 GMT -5
I think the PAC situation is more the exception to the rule because of his status as Dragon Gate's top champion and not realizing, at the time, that his reign would be this long. If they want to establish working relationships with international feds, they can't piss them off by having their top guy do the job.
I think if it was anyone else or if it was simply the case of PAC being a diva, they'd probably tell them to screw themselves.
Also in 2019 some of the most over guys in WWE are the likes of AJ Styles, Daniel Bryan, and Seth Rollins. Hell, even John Cena wasn't that big in terms of overall height. Just bulky. I think it's long past time to abandon the mindset that the Big McLargeHuge guys are the only way to draw in casual audiences as it simply doesn't reflect reality anymore.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 21, 2019 9:38:56 GMT -5
I think the PAC situation is more the exception to the rule because of his status as Dragon Gate's top champion and not realizing, at the time, that his reign would be this long. If they want to establish working relationships with international feds, they can't piss them off by having their top guy do the job. I think if it was anyone else or if it was simply the case of PAC being a diva, they'd probably tell them to screw themselves. Also in 2019 some of the most over guys in WWE are the likes of AJ Styles, Daniel Bryan, and Seth Rollins. Hell, even John Cena wasn't that big in terms of overall height. Just bulky. I think it's long past time to abandon the mindset that the Big McLargeHuge guys are the only way to draw in casual audiences as it simply doesn't reflect reality anymore. Body expectations are just different now, since ability is the draw now more than muscle. Having a nice looking build doesn’t hurt, it’s certainly something that works in Kenny Omega’s favor. But the perception of what a pro wrestler is has evolved past Hogan’s 24 inch pythons. The 1980s passed, and the He-Man/Rambo/Real American view of a combat sport badass was always going to be passé eventually. Even though his first reign wasn’t all that great and he did bulk up a bit, I think that WrestleMania 22 match with Mysterio becoming champion was more historically significant than we probably assume. And then you had Bret Hart and HBK before that. Now you have a generation growing up seeing this stuff in highlight reels with Bryan holding both belts at WM30. Vince still loves big guys and always will, but WWE played a part in the death of the muscleman draw. And there’s the rise of MMA with smaller weight classes drawing good PPV buys. So I think the Bucks, Cody, PAC and others won’t have an issue looking tough to casuals.
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Post by ssdrivin on May 21, 2019 9:40:21 GMT -5
I'm cautiously optimistic. I don't care hugely for the top guys involved (I don't actively dislike them, I just haven't followed all of their careers), but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because of their statures in the wrestling industry.
I'm a little put off by the "it's about sports" thing, I don't want to watch pure workrate stuff, I want storyline stuff but - crucially (and unlike WWE right now) - actually logical storylines with consequences, continuity, and consistency. If that's what they mean by a win/loss system, something to tie it all together, to give people some sort of tangible place in the roster, something that can show the viewer (new or old) how good this person is compared to that person based on their past performance (and not just a throwaway gimmick or streak), that might be interesting. WWE's guys tend to be either "always loses", "always wins", or "just sort of exists", and I think the "just sort of exists" middle ground needs some definition that AEW seems like they're trying to solve.
There's definitely a lot of hype, and that's probably the only reason I've begun to show an active interest at all, whether that'll translate to a good show I've no idea. Only time can tell, it's a new brand, a new organisation, they'll need time to settle in and find their style I think, so it'll be a while before we can really say how anything's going (though it won't stop me or others from judging almost immediately if it's really really bad).
I expect to be watching the pre-show on ITV4, but I'm still a little hesitant to buy the main event based on basically just hype and a few names I recognise (I can only imagine those watching outside of the UK will be even more hesitant, with the price being significantly higher). When the show begins proper on TNT (and potentially other networks, maybe ITV if everything goes well), I think that's when we'll start to get a much better idea of who the show is for, what it's trying to do, and how it's trying to do it. Nobody's buying Double or Nothing unless they're a hardcore fan, and I'm really not sure I am one, so anybody less interested than me really isn't going to know or care that AEW exists until it's on national TV for free (or as part of a package they already have).
Bit rambly, but in summary: yeah, there's loads of hype, no, it's not going to kill off WWE tomorrow, yes, there's potential, no, everyone's not going to be into it, and I can see why it might fall either way at this point when it comes to being overhyped and underproductive.
Edit to mention the PAC thing: If it's a work, it's a really stupid work, because he's one of the names I best recognise from the card, and for him not to be on it lessens my interest. Only if there's legit cause for him to not be on the show/not join the company should there be any talk of him not being there. I can understand if he's genuinely not interested in joining at the moment on AEW's terms, but don't start playing with peoples' expectations before you've even got off the ground, you need people to pay for this event.
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