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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 0:07:46 GMT -5
Like I said in the general “rate the show” thread I get the logic behind Jericho winning, and the match itself wasn’t bad. But from a pure visual/optics standpoint it’s awful. This bloated guy who looks like the corpse of Axl Rose and turns Shane McMahon levels of red during the opening minutes of a main event; am I really supposed to buy him as a killer with an instant KO finisher who can beat the best in the industry totally clean?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 1, 2019 0:21:19 GMT -5
Right call IMO.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 1, 2019 0:44:43 GMT -5
Chris Jericho is now the only person to have held the WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, AND the AEW Championship!
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 1, 2019 0:46:46 GMT -5
Chris Jericho is now the only person to have held the WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, AND the AEW Championship! This just makes me think, probably going to be a good while before anyone else has been WWE champion and AEW champion. Not a lot of likely candidates for that around.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 1, 2019 0:50:04 GMT -5
Chris Jericho is now the only person to have held the WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, AND the AEW Championship! This just makes me think, probably going to be a good while before anyone else has been WWE champion and AEW champion. Not a lot of likely candidates for that around. Yeah it's pretty much just Jericho and Moxley who are former WWE Champions that are on the AEW roster as of now.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 1, 2019 0:52:26 GMT -5
This just makes me think, probably going to be a good while before anyone else has been WWE champion and AEW champion. Not a lot of likely candidates for that around. Yeah it's pretty much just Jericho and Moxley who are former WWE Champions that are on the AEW roster as of now. Yep, and I could see Moxley becoming champion, of course, but part of me thinks he wouldn't be in a huge hurry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 0:53:55 GMT -5
Although I'm not a huge fan, I think the guy to beat him should be Darby Allin and I'd do it in about 2 months.
He's got a really marketable look and crazy style that'd help sell the "we're a revolution" promises, and I think pissed off vets like PAC and Moxley trying to murder him would be good stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 1:01:07 GMT -5
Chris Jericho is now the only person to have held the WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, AND the AEW Championship! And WCW for that matter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 1:03:10 GMT -5
Jericho was gold on the post show lmao.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Sept 1, 2019 1:04:04 GMT -5
In a perfect world, Page would've won.
But I get the reasoning behind all of it. Like it or not, the fans weren't getting behind Page as much as some of their other top acts and this shows that AEW isn't going to do the modern WWE Top Face formula with anybody (even one of their boys) of shoving them down our throats until we accept them (or become apathetic enough to no longer resist).
This gives Page and them a chance to take a step back and maybe work a compelling story out of this that does see Page catch fire and maybe grow into the role of a world champion. He showed a lot of potential to be that guy tonight.
And I get why you'd go with Jericho, from the basic logic of he's a heel, to he can still work that high caliber match they'll want for their main events, to likely one of the big reasons that he's arguably the biggest name they have (definitely the biggest name they have right now with Moxley out).
To be perfectly honest, it's smart. Jericho's not going to be there forever, even if he somehow stays with AEW till retirement (my gut tells me he's got at least one more match in the WWE before that though, if not a full blown part timer run). Jericho's value as a name and as a talent is finite, like every wrestler, and they're getting the most out of him and their money they've put into his wallet that they can while they can. Before he eats any major losses to any of their boys, before he puts over and helps groom a lot of their future main event (which let us be real here, he will).
Do I wish it didn't have the unfortunate tinge of "WWE's over reliance on the Attitude Era guys" to it? Yeah. But one instance doesn't make it a habit. If AEW starts snatching up Attitude Era boys and pushing them over their home grown talent a year on, then there will be cause for concern.
As it is now, this was a very strategic business move that will hopefully pay off.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 1, 2019 1:40:49 GMT -5
I think they can make Pac work even if its heel v heel. With Mox in theory being g back for TV maybe he gets the nod. But yes right choice. Good showing for Hangman but unfortunately they didnt do a good job building him up since May until the last week or so. I was thinking the same damn thing. Or I guess they could make it a triple threat but who knows if they want to keep it as single bouts for a while. But damn after watching Kenny and PAC, I kept thinking put the damn title on the bastard eventually.
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Post by Shai on Sept 1, 2019 2:54:22 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the irony of these dudes talking about being different then WWE and their first champion is old, out of shape, future WWE Hall of Famer Chris Jericho. Like what?! Isn't this the exact opposite of everything they've been talking about?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 1, 2019 3:23:25 GMT -5
Right call because Y2J is the best option and as a heel just adds more ammunition
In a perfect world, Page would have won It but now he has fuel to his babyface Fire and the next time he faces Jericho he has a bit of history to get the fans behind him even more
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 1, 2019 3:48:22 GMT -5
I do get the logic behind it but ultimately I think it sends the wrong message. I'm not sure who would have been a better alternative, though.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 1, 2019 3:58:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the irony of these dudes talking about being different then WWE and their first champion is old, out of shape, future WWE Hall of Famer Chris Jericho. Like what?! Isn't this the exact opposite of everything they've been talking about? Not really, no. Jericho's here to ultimately put people over, and puts the work in. He's not here for a nostalgia pop and a pay day.
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Post by King Devitt on Sept 1, 2019 4:09:35 GMT -5
Vince McMahon would book the match based on looks.
Jericho has the psychology and carries himself like a star. Hangman doesn't.
I still think Page was done dirty in the build for the match, and none of it was his fault, but he didn't come off as a big time player at all. I took to calling him Hangman Reigns for a reason.
I do get what people are saying about Jericho, and it doesn't help when JR is like "it looks like he hasn't slept in 3 days", but honestly it was a wet fart of a main event for me personally (esp compared to the rest of the card). The crowd should have been electric and on fire for the closing moments of the first title match, and they weren't. They were into it, but it could've been so much more.
Even so, Jericho was the right choice.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 1, 2019 4:11:11 GMT -5
I used to be on the Page as first champ bandwagon, but they never gave him the booking he needed to really put him in the right position to be a strong first champion. Jericho on the other hand has been the top heel in the company by a country mile. I could understand the argument that the title match should have been booked for two diffrent people, but this is the hand they delt themselves, and ultimately they made the right choice. If they went with Page they risk their first world champion being completely cold (see Matt Taven for a fair comparison) and could possibly turn crowds against him if they stuck with that sort of push. Honestly, he's in a better position now for losing than he would be if he'd won with that weak an initial build.
The thing about arguing that it sends bad optics only works when you ignore the circumstances surrounding the situation. More people are likely to be interested in seeing a Jericho-centric show than those who would be turned off cause Adam Page, or someone else isn't champion right now. They need strong angles for their TV, and Jericho is probably the strongest character they've got to carry the main event right now.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Sept 1, 2019 5:52:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the irony of these dudes talking about being different then WWE and their first champion is old, out of shape, future WWE Hall of Famer Chris Jericho. Like what?! Isn't this the exact opposite of everything they've been talking about? Not really, no. Jericho's here to ultimately put people over, and puts the work in. He's not here for a nostalgia pop and a pay day. Yeah, let us not pretend that Jericho is somehow comparable to those in the WWE sphere that show up about five times a year, collect their millions of dollars, and get to squash all the young talent or keep them from being utilized in significant ways because an old man can rely on his old toys. It is apples and oranges. It may not be for long, but Jericho is full time by all appearances and everything that's been said. He's willing to put in the work and at this junction his body's still able to make good on that. In that regard I'd liken him and his station in AEW more to Rousey than a Brock or Triple H or Undertaker or Goldberg. And Jericho is infamous for how willing he is to put over new blood.
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Post by eJm on Sept 1, 2019 6:12:25 GMT -5
I just want to nip this whole “They want to be different but they’re signing older talent” thing in the bud because it’s annoyed me that it’s being used for years for every promotion.
Look, if you’re making a wrestling promotion and you want to get lapsed fans in, you need to get talent in who people know. That’s not me saying it as having no faith in newer talent but that’s the sort of thing you want to do unless you have a really high profile and confident brand that people will see regardless.
Someone here told a story about how their friend said AEW signing Moxley was akin to TNA signing Rikishi, Test or whoever so I’m going to say this; TNA’s problem was not, was not, that they brought in Booker T, Orlando Jordan, The Nasty Boys, Val Venis etc. In a way, some of those make sense. Yes, some are names associated with Hogan who he brings everywhere he goes because they’re his friends but if you do something with those talents that are different from what they did before, it can work because if the intention is to make your other talent look better in victory or defeat, then all the better.
The problem, and where the perception came from, was when those talents were repeatedly put over the new guys in definitive ways. Val Venis beat Christopher Daniels, The Nasty Boys beat up the tag division, Orlando Jordan beat Samoa Joe (I believe) and you make the rest of your roster look like goobers long term so after those guys win, there’s nothing else to watch because eventually, those guys will go and do other stuff.
When people leave WWE, they don’t suddenly just end up going to indies and doing the small promotions that book them against their champion to lose. I mean, they can do that and have and more power to them. But that should not mean nobody should hire them again if they’re just going to collect their paycheque and leave.
Hell, by this logic WWE themselves have picked up a bunch of TNA “rejects”. Samuel Shaw, Robbie E, Bobby Roode, Eric Young, Gunner, Chelsea Green, most of their new agent team. That part, in particular, some people were saying they were signing people who failed to make a national promotion bigger when in fact, they were signing experienced hands to guide the talent who weren’t as experienced. And Gunner.
So how does this lead to Jericho? Maybe I’m crazy here but I heard a crowd that was getting more into Page the more the match was going on and part of that went to Jericho for putting that work in and making him look like a beast and telling a story of the younger guy getting his shots in but getting more in his head as he couldn’t get the job done. Not that it was going to be nuclear pop city if he won but it wasn’t going to be boos and garbage if he did win. So Jericho took advantage of his younger opponent’s flaws and won. Cool.
Now the next step is where do you go from here and who wins because there are enough people who could do it and you need to make it count. The beauty of their situation is they have enough BTEs, Road Tos and TV weeks to start building a challenger for Full Gear but also a long term challenger to beat Jericho and be put over by it. If we’re into the deep end of 2020 and Jericho is still champ and beaten everyone, then we can have the conversation comparing him to Val Venis beating Christopher Daniels.
Edit: Also to add, if you sign a talent that’s still in their prime who left another company...that’s actually a really good thing. Like, it happens all the time in sport when a player whose really good for one team isn’t suited for that team and jumps to another team to fit there better. Again, not a bad thing.
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Post by Legion on Sept 1, 2019 6:43:49 GMT -5
Jericho is too old to be in this position IMO, but if you have to go with old and known, you could do worse
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