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Post by Shai on Sept 1, 2019 9:10:32 GMT -5
I guess I get where y'all are coming from. I just disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 9:32:07 GMT -5
Someone here told a story about how their friend said AEW signing Moxley was akin to TNA signing Rikishi, Test or whoever That was me, and for whatever it's worth that friend has pretty much done a complete 180 on Moxley since then. I largely agree with the rest of your post. However, I do also think the ex-WWE guys often doing bargain basement versions of their WWE gimmicks didn't help with the perception of TNA being a resting home for WWE rejects. My friend turned the corner on Mox because Mox completely reinvented himself - new name, new look, new finisher, much tighter ringwork, promos much less reliant on comedy, etc. And as much as I rag on Jericho looks-wise he's done the same thing - he wrestles differently and his promos are much less comedic. TNA brought in Sean Moorely billed him as "Sean Moorely, formerly known as WWE star Val Venis!" He won matches with the Money Shot and cut promos that started with "Ladies, I'm here." I think that latter situation is what AEW needs to avoid if they don't wanna seem second-rate. Having a reinvented Mox or Jericho is fine. Bringing in, say, Enzo and Cass and letting them do a Great Value version of their WWE shtick is not.
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Post by markymark on Sept 1, 2019 9:35:53 GMT -5
It was the best option tbh, Hangman will probably recover at Full Gear once we see him teaming up with a debuting Marty Scurll.
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Post by eJm on Sept 1, 2019 9:42:24 GMT -5
Someone here told a story about how their friend said AEW signing Moxley was akin to TNA signing Rikishi, Test or whoever That was me, and for whatever it's worth that friend has pretty much done a complete 180 on Moxley since then. I largely agree with the rest of your post. However, I do also think the ex-WWE guys often doing bargain basement versions of their WWE gimmicks didn't help with the perception of TNA being a resting home for WWE rejects. My friend turned the corner on Mox because Mox completely reinvented himself - new name, new look, new finisher, much tighter ringwork, promos much less reliant on comedy, etc. And as much as I rag on Jericho looks-wise he's done the same thing - he wrestles differently and his promos are much less comedic. TNA brought in Sean Moorely billed him as "Sean Moorely, formerly known as WWE star Val Venis!" He won matches with the Money Shot and cut promos that started with "Ladies, I'm here." I think that latter situation is what AEW needs to avoid if they don't wanna seem second-rate. Having a reinvented Mox or Jericho is fine. Bringing in, say, Enzo and Cass and letting them do a Great Value version of their WWE shtick is not. Oh, I can absolutely agree with that. Like, there are still things about Moxley that make him like the Ambrose people knew but it feels like he's ramped that all up to the point it's barely that guy anymore, which is great. But yeah, if AEW bring in Rusev and it's just Russian sympathiser Rusev, then that would suck and not really give a different version of themselves. Like, LAX being LAX with a different name I'm fine with because it's more a heritage thing then a gimmick thing but yeah, I can agree with what you're saying.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Sept 1, 2019 9:51:40 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the irony of these dudes talking about being different then WWE and their first champion is old, out of shape, future WWE Hall of Famer Chris Jericho. Like what?! Isn't this the exact opposite of everything they've been talking about? He is anything but out of shape. It isn’t against what they have been talking about. They went with the best worker and not the best “look” I would say thus was a refreshing and good start fir AEW. First champ is a consummate pro, legend and can still put on great matches and is a draw to casual fans
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Sept 1, 2019 9:55:07 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, it's smart. Jericho's not going to be there forever, even if he somehow stays with AEW till retirement (my gut tells me he's got at least one more match in the WWE before that though, if not a full blown part timer run). Jericho's value as a name and as a talent is finite, like every wrestler, and they're getting the most out of him and their money they've put into his wallet that they can while they can. Before he eats any major losses to any of their boys, before he puts over and helps groom a lot of their future main event (which let us be real here, he will). Yeah I think another thing people should consider is the future rather than the present. Assuming AEW is going to last long term and not collapse in 6 months then there needs to be things to build towards for YEARS not just for the time being. Yeah some fans might want Page or Omega to win the title now cos they're new, non WWE guys but I think it would be a bit too much "instant gratification" and doubt AEW want to get to this time next year and everyone is a 4 or 5 time world champion already. Also I think giving the old WWE guy the title is a logical way to get easy heat cos people want to see him lose it for storyline AND smarky reasons since it's so hard to get boos these days in the "workrate era". Especially in what will be the most "hardcore fan" promotion going.
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Post by bob on Sept 1, 2019 10:02:43 GMT -5
the right choice: he is much more popular then Page is to the casual fan
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Post by eJm on Sept 1, 2019 10:06:04 GMT -5
I guess I get where y'all are coming from. I just disagree. What I will say, and it’s not to counter your view because you have your right to it, I also get the vibe this wasn’t their A plan. Considering what happened with PAC (whether Visa related or Dragon Gate related, none of us really know), the plan seemed to be PAC/Omega headlining and Omega becoming the first champion but that’s never been definitively proven outside of hearsay. And possibly an MJF type winning to face the champ on one of the future TV episodes. But regardless, from the pieces they had originally, it was the best plan they had.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Sept 1, 2019 10:20:44 GMT -5
Chris Jericho is now the only person to have held the WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, AND the AEW Championship! This just makes me think, probably going to be a good while before anyone else has been WWE champion and AEW champion. Not a lot of likely candidates for that around. Moxley is the only other one there right now. There could be another in the future, but there's no telling who.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 1, 2019 12:41:20 GMT -5
We also don't really know what AEW's booking style will be once they settle into a regular schedule. The two biggest promotions besides them have radically different booking styles. On one end, you have WWE where booking decisions can and often do change on Vince McMahon's whim while any long-term plans aren't really built upon until like a month out. On the other end, you have NJPW where it feels like Gedo books things like a year in advance with all the shows and matches building up to that moment. But at times it does feel like it can drag in the short term, just that with the generally consistent match quality you don't care as much.
We don't know if AEW will lean more towards either or be somewhere in the middle. We probably won't know for a good year or two.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 1, 2019 12:45:23 GMT -5
Jericho as champ is probably leading to Alpha/Omega 3 at some point before the end of the year, but I could see them wanting to go to All Out next year. I like the idea of MJF/Page having a pretty long feud over a midcard title before eventually continuing it in the main event ala Rock/Austin.
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Post by the2ndevil on Sept 1, 2019 12:56:13 GMT -5
I’m of two minds with this.
On one hand, it makes the most sense business wise. Jericho is still a name in the industry and someone lapsed fans might gravitate to.
On the other hand, it is SUPER easy to mock and joke about. Like, they did say they wanted to pick up the torch left by WCW with wrestling on TNT. And what’s more WCW than a guy in his 50s winning the world title over a much younger guy still in his prime?
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Sept 1, 2019 13:57:25 GMT -5
I’m of two minds with this. On one hand, it makes the most sense business wise. Jericho is still a name in the industry and someone lapsed fans might gravitate to. On the other hand, it is SUPER easy to mock and joke about. Like, they did say they wanted to pick up the torch left by WCW with wrestling on TNT. And what’s more WCW than a guy in his 50s winning the world title over a much younger guy still in his prime? In kayfabe it’s funny too cause it’s by one of those used to be young guys who was held down by those old guys back in the day. “Hey remember when Hulk Hogan was a selfish dick to me in the 90s? Good f***ing idea.” It’s like poetry.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 1, 2019 14:57:15 GMT -5
Jericho as champ is probably leading to Alpha/Omega 3 at some point before the end of the year, but I could see them wanting to go to All Out next year. I like the idea of MJF/Page having a pretty long feud over a midcard title before eventually continuing it in the main event ala Rock/Austin. Given they booked Omega/Bucks versus Jericho and two mystery partners (probably LAX) well in advance for TV, it isn't impossible or anything for Omega and Jericho to be facing off sooner than later.
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Post by nm on Sept 1, 2019 15:07:14 GMT -5
I was reading some tweets about how out of shape Jericho looked and caught some highlights/pictures of the match today and he looks f***ing fine. He's 48 god damn years old he's in great shape for that age.
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Post by Facetious on Sept 1, 2019 15:18:09 GMT -5
I was reading some tweets about how out of shape Jericho looked and caught some highlights/pictures of the match today and he looks f***ing fine. He's 48 god damn years old he's in great shape for that age. A year ago? Sure, fair statement. Even I said the same. Now? He looks good for his age. Especially for a raging alcoholic.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 1, 2019 15:21:26 GMT -5
I was reading some tweets about how out of shape Jericho looked and caught some highlights/pictures of the match today and he looks f***ing fine. He's 48 god damn years old he's in great shape for that age. He's almost the exact shame shape Harley Race was during Race's top years.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 1, 2019 15:51:06 GMT -5
I wanna know what some peoples definition of "Out of shape" is when Jericho came into this match sporting abs.
Dude looks incredible for his age right now and is clearly putting in the work to be in this position. Jericho's gonna be good as the first champ, a lot of story opportunity here, and a good way to get casual eyes on the product. Nothing about Jericho is a turnoff right now imo. Good promos, can still work quality matches, and is constantly reinventing himself.
Very much ok with this.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 1, 2019 15:53:23 GMT -5
I wanna know what some peoples definition of "Out of shape" is when Jericho came into this match sporting abs. Dude looks incredible for his age right now. What they mean is he doesn’t look nearly as cool as he looked at 28.
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Sept 1, 2019 16:01:27 GMT -5
I wanna know what some peoples definition of "Out of shape" is when Jericho came into this match sporting abs. Dude looks incredible for his age right now. What they mean is he doesn’t look nearly as cool as he looked at 28. Mid life crisis Jericho is a great look. He's in good enough shape to not look out of place in n a ring with Page but he's not hiding the fact he's nearly 50. I think the difference between Jericho and say Hogan is Jericho can still go and he absolutely makes his opponent look good at the same time.
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