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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 21, 2022 19:16:30 GMT -5
I mean, I guess I'm glad Rock got to make the movie if only because of how long he was attached to the damn project, but yeah, probably not much juice you can squeeze out of the character in a solo film. Now I wonder how long until Rock is in MCU. Still don’t think it happens. Rock’s ..very driven in his Hollywood endeavors. Part of that is having control, sometimes extraneously, and that even proves true in the times he’s come back to WWE. Marvel don’t play. As evidenced by directors they’ve cut ties with when everything isn’t copacetic. Could it happen? Yea but I find it highly unlikely. Also, who’d he play? Hercules would have been a bit on the nose but probably his best fit, and well he’s already cast… The big problem is much of the notable Marvel characters have already been cast by now, and more or less whose is left wouldn’t possibly fit The Rock’s “I don’t lose” policy. Like I’m sure they’d be able to fit him in as a Mutant character but it’d probably be an at best B-tier X-Men character, the kind that they could realistically use The Rock as part of the marketing, but is also likely to die in the same film he is introduced in. Edit: Unless they want to go super meta and have him be Juggernaut, who has the power set that he basically can’t be stopped, cause magical god bullshit.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 21, 2022 19:31:53 GMT -5
Still don’t think it happens. Rock’s ..very driven in his Hollywood endeavors. Part of that is having control, sometimes extraneously, and that even proves true in the times he’s come back to WWE. Marvel don’t play. As evidenced by directors they’ve cut ties with when everything isn’t copacetic. Could it happen? Yea but I find it highly unlikely. Also, who’d he play? Hercules would have been a bit on the nose but probably his best fit, and well he’s already cast… The big problem is much of the notable Marvel characters have already been cast by now, and more or less whose is left wouldn’t possibly fit The Rock’s “I don’t lose” policy. Like I’m sure they’d be able to fit him in as a Mutant character but it’d probably be an at best B-tier X-Men character, the kind that they could realistically use The Rock as part of the marketing, but is also likely to die in the same film he is introduced in. Edit: Unless they want to go super meta and have him be Juggernaut, who has the power set that he basically can’t be stopped, cause magical god bullshit. If he wasnt already cast, and not a Disney + show (because I cant see Rock doing that) I would have loved Rock as Wonder Man. But the no lose thing is a deal breaker.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 21, 2022 19:43:58 GMT -5
The big problem is much of the notable Marvel characters have already been cast by now, and more or less whose is left wouldn’t possibly fit The Rock’s “I don’t lose” policy. It's probably worth mentioning that the "I don't lose" contract stuff has been exaggerated and taken on a life of its own. It only ever applied to the Fast & Furious movies. It started with Vin Diesel having that clause put into his contract when he returned for Fast & Furious and his production company took over the franchise. When Rock was approached for Fast Five he was told about the clause and demanded parity, and when Jason Statham joined in Furious 7 he did the same. This carried over to the Hobbs & Shaw spinoff. Rock's movies in general have very few outright fight scenes prior to the finale. The majority of the time he's up against things like natural disasters, burning buildings, and animals of vary levels of size and ferocity. Any fights tend to be limited to the final act, where the hero always triumphs.
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Post by ace on Dec 21, 2022 21:08:09 GMT -5
The big problem is much of the notable Marvel characters have already been cast by now, and more or less whose is left wouldn’t possibly fit The Rock’s “I don’t lose” policy. It's probably worth mentioning that the "I don't lose" contract stuff has been exaggerated and taken on a life of its own. It only ever applied to the Fast & Furious movies. It started with Vin Diesel having that clause put into his contract when he returned for Fast & Furious and his production company took over the franchise. When Rock was approached for Fast Five he was told about the clause and demanded parity, and when Jason Statham joined in Furious 7 he did the same. This carried over to the Hobbs & Shaw spinoff. Rock's movies in general have very few outright fight scenes prior to the finale. The majority of the time he's up against things like natural disasters, burning buildings, and animals of vary levels of size and ferocity. Any fights tend to be limited to the final act, where the hero always triumphs. If only we could deduce a reason his movies don’t include those scenes where his character shows weakness and loses.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 21, 2022 21:32:47 GMT -5
If only we could deduce a reason his movies don’t include those scenes where his character shows weakness and loses. Again, he's pretty much stayed out of straight action movies. San Andreas was a disaster movie, so there's nobody to fight. Rampage was a kaiju movie. Skyscraper is an action disaster movie which begins with him showing weakness and losing, then not really doing any real fighting until the climax. His character gets killed and needs saving in Jungle Cruise.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 21, 2022 22:51:21 GMT -5
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 22, 2022 7:58:17 GMT -5
"The Rock’s “I don’t lose” policy"
I find actors not wanting to lose on screen to be the most pathetic thing.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Dec 27, 2022 11:25:58 GMT -5
"The Rock’s “I don’t lose” policy" I find actors not wanting to lose on screen to be the most pathetic thing. “I’m not supposed to die. I’m the good guy.”
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Post by schma on Dec 30, 2022 3:07:13 GMT -5
So I just finished watching the movie. I enjoyed it, though it was not amazing. It was a fun diversion. However, I tend to be forgiving when movies take liberties with characters from the comics. For me it's simply part of the fact that it's a completely different medium and what works for one, doesn't necessarily work for the other. I hadn't realized until this movie hit that these days Black Adam is more antihero than straight villain. At the same time, the Rock can't help but play the Rock. He wasn't Black Adam. But in the end I still had a good time.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 4, 2023 22:12:42 GMT -5
The fallout from Rock and Warner falling out continues:
Last time I saw Warner's folks out on the offensive like this, it was when Zack Snyder cut ties with the company.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 4, 2023 22:26:45 GMT -5
Rock should have just filmed his movie and been willing to fight Shazam.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 4, 2023 23:43:05 GMT -5
The fallout from Rock and Warner falling out continues: Last time I saw Warner's folks out on the offensive like this, it was when Zack Snyder cut ties with the company. Warner after dealing with rocks black Adam, tequila shilling bullshit
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Post by pinja on Jan 5, 2023 3:22:39 GMT -5
It's fun clowning Rock in this, but how did he will "Black Adam" in existence in 2022? As if that scheming devil needed a crack in Warner Bros.' dimension to pull off an overly expensive superhero movie within ONE year.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 5, 2023 5:38:04 GMT -5
It's fun clowning Rock in this, but how did he will "Black Adam" in existence in 2022? As if that scheming devil needed a crack in Warner Bros.' dimension to pull off an overly expensive superhero movie within ONE year. That's not what it says. He tried to "will into existence" a DCEU with himself and Cavill as the faces of the franchise. If Snyder's endgame was the Justice League vs. Darkseid, Rock's DCEU endgame was Black Adam vs. Superman.
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Post by eJm on Jan 5, 2023 5:44:33 GMT -5
It's fun clowning Rock in this, but how did he will "Black Adam" in existence in 2022? As if that scheming devil needed a crack in Warner Bros.' dimension to pull off an overly expensive superhero movie within ONE year. That's not what it says. He tried to "will into existence" a DCEU with himself and Cavill as the faces of the franchise. If Snyder's endgame was the Justice League vs. Darkseid, Rock's DCEU endgame was Black Adam vs. Superman. Like, the whole thing was long term. Dude was talking about a Black Adam movie around the time of Welcome to the Jungle/The Rundown and a lot of the side stuff were power plays taking advantage of different situations related to two corporate mergers. I will say, the whole thing about alcohol is weird because, well, I've been to enough events where movies rated for young adults have provided some kind of alcohol and sponsor involvement is more innocent, albeit does add to the other stuff of making it about Dwayne. Everything else seems like stuff that goes into my above point.
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Post by schizo on Jan 5, 2023 6:12:18 GMT -5
Sooo..Rock’s Black Adam was never meant to meet/confront or interact with Levi‘s Shazam in anyway at all even though, in the comics, he’s one of Shazam’s biggest foes?
No one was asking or even gave a solitary shit about a Superman/Black Adam confrontation besides just Rock.
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Post by eJm on Jan 5, 2023 6:20:25 GMT -5
Sooo..Rock’s Black Adam was never meant to meet/confront or interact with Levi‘s Shazam in anyway at all even though, in the comics, he’s one of Shazam’s biggest foes? No one was asking or even gave a solitary shit about a Superman/Black Adam confrontation besides just Rock. Like...if you were doing a World War Three adaptation of some kind, a Superman/BA fight would have been cool but it was more that Rock was doing everything he could behind the scenes to nullify the big thing that connects Black Adam to Shazam. It'd basically be like if they did a Titans movie couldn't do a plot involving Deathstroke because Joe Manganiello's movie was trying to get him to face Batman and, yeah, they've fought before but...they're like Goblin/Spider-Man in terms of arch foes.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 5, 2023 6:36:41 GMT -5
Sooo..Rock’s Black Adam was never meant to meet/confront or interact with Levi‘s Shazam in anyway at all even though, in the comics, he’s one of Shazam’s biggest foes? No one was asking or even gave a solitary shit about a Superman/Black Adam confrontation besides just Rock. Shazam vs Black Adam was the plan at conception, and even the first Shazam movie hinted at it, but as the power structure at WB started falling apart Rock saw it as a chance to up Black Adam's profile: Honestly, if you pull that kind of shit you'd better be damn sure that the box office is going to be phenomenal. I know Rock is Mr. Positivity, but he's not stupid. I can't believe he watched Black Adam and thought to himself "Yeah, this is going to pull in a billion dollars."
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 5, 2023 7:02:53 GMT -5
Sooo..Rock’s Black Adam was never meant to meet/confront or interact with Levi‘s Shazam in anyway at all even though, in the comics, he’s one of Shazam’s biggest foes? No one was asking or even gave a solitary shit about a Superman/Black Adam confrontation besides just Rock. Shazam vs Black Adam was the plan at conception, and even the first Shazam movie hinted at it, but as the power structure at WB started falling apart Rock saw it as a chance to up Black Adam's profile: Honestly, if you pull that kind of shit you'd better be damn sure that the box office is going to be phenomenal. I know Rock is Mr. Positivity, but he's not stupid. I can't believe he watched Black Adam and thought to himself "Yeah, this is going to pull in a billion dollars." Some of is ego. Some of it is people looking at what Marvel does and thinking superheroes are guaranteed money. They look at Ant Man and think if that made hundreds of millions I can make a billion. Not understanding that Marvel is a finely tuned blockbuster machine.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 5, 2023 7:17:20 GMT -5
Some of is ego. Some of it is people looking at what Marvel does and thinking superheroes are guaranteed money. They look at Ant Man and think if that made hundreds of millions I can make a billion. Not understanding that Marvel is a finely tuned blockbuster machine. I just have a hard time believing that even with his ego Rock wasn't acutely aware of the difficulties ahead. This has been a major black eye for Rock, though. It's completely blown away the idea that he's still a huge box office draw (if he ever truly was), and exposed the "Nicest Guy in Hollywood" image he's cultivated as a complete facade.
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