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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 5, 2023 7:43:16 GMT -5
Some of is ego. Some of it is people looking at what Marvel does and thinking superheroes are guaranteed money. They look at Ant Man and think if that made hundreds of millions I can make a billion. Not understanding that Marvel is a finely tuned blockbuster machine. I just have a hard time believing that even with his ego Rock wasn't acutely aware of the difficulties ahead. This has been a major black eye for Rock, though. It's completely blown away the idea that he's still a huge box office draw (if he ever truly was), and exposed the "Nicest Guy in Hollywood" image he's cultivated as a complete facade. If it was truly a passion project then that can blind you. John Travolta honestly thought Battlefield Earth was going to be the next Star Wars. One thing Black Adam took from Marvel that worked from what I have heard. Marvel gets accused of wasting actors like Judy Greer in Ant Man. But Marvel understands having fine actors, even in bit parts can elevate the film. From what I read the JS actors were great. Or course they were more supporting than bit but still.
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Post by pinja on Jan 5, 2023 7:53:09 GMT -5
It's fun clowning Rock in this, but how did he will "Black Adam" in existence in 2022? As if that scheming devil needed a crack in Warner Bros.' dimension to pull off an overly expensive superhero movie within ONE year. That's not what it says. He tried to "will into existence" a DCEU with himself and Cavill as the faces of the franchise. If Snyder's endgame was the Justice League vs. Darkseid, Rock's DCEU endgame was Black Adam vs. Superman. You're right. No idea how I've read what I read, because it wasn't even misleadingly phrased. It's weird to see that the movie industry is just as carny as wrestling when a wrestler is involved.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 5, 2023 7:56:35 GMT -5
I just have a hard time believing that even with his ego Rock wasn't acutely aware of the difficulties ahead. This has been a major black eye for Rock, though. It's completely blown away the idea that he's still a huge box office draw (if he ever truly was), and exposed the "Nicest Guy in Hollywood" image he's cultivated as a complete facade. If it was truly a passion project then that can blind you. John Travolta honestly thought Battlefield Earth was going to be the next Star Wars. One thing Black Adam took from Marvel that worked from what I have heard. Marvel gets accused of wasting actors like Judy Greer in Ant Man. But Marvel understands having fine actors, even in bit parts can elevate the film. From what I read the JS actors were great. Or course they were more supporting than bit but still. The JS actors were good. I'd love for Aldis Hodge to continue on in the DCEU, maybe as John Stewart. And Pierce Brosnan as Doctor Fate was the best thing about the movie. Wouldn't mind seeing him getting a limited Max series.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 5, 2023 7:57:18 GMT -5
That's not what it says. He tried to "will into existence" a DCEU with himself and Cavill as the faces of the franchise. If Snyder's endgame was the Justice League vs. Darkseid, Rock's DCEU endgame was Black Adam vs. Superman. You're right. No idea how I've read what I read, because it wasn't even misleadingly phrased. It's weird to see that the movie industry is just as carny as wrestling when a wrestler is involved. Being as carny as wrestling would be an improvement for the movie industry.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 5, 2023 10:35:01 GMT -5
If it was truly a passion project then that can blind you. John Travolta honestly thought Battlefield Earth was going to be the next Star Wars. One thing Black Adam took from Marvel that worked from what I have heard. Marvel gets accused of wasting actors like Judy Greer in Ant Man. But Marvel understands having fine actors, even in bit parts can elevate the film. From what I read the JS actors were great. Or course they were more supporting than bit but still. The JS actors were good. I'd love for Aldis Hodge to continue on in the DCEU, maybe as John Stewart. And Pierce Brosnan as Doctor Fate was the best thing about the movie. Wouldn't mind seeing him getting a limited Max series. Definitely agree... I loved Hodge and Brosnan as Hawkman and Dr. Fate. I hope they find a way to keep Hawkman around.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 5, 2023 10:38:30 GMT -5
I don't buy Black Adam as a passion project; at least in terms of really wanting to bring the comic character to the screen. Rock as a superhero & for as long as he'd been tied to it, sure he could have had a want to do that. But if it was really a passion project it could have been made any time in the last 15 years without even being a part of an expanded DC of he'd wanted.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 5, 2023 10:48:54 GMT -5
Hell, I like the movie ok but the whole conflict between Adam and the JSA of: heroes don't kill/I do gets nonsensical in a world where Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman all have body counts.
Hell, Aquaman left Manta's dad to drown w no compunctions. Ezra Miller is a felon so I'm sure his Flash has A trained his way through some folks. Ray's Cyborg sucks. I don't know if he's killed, but he sucks.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 5, 2023 11:11:43 GMT -5
The last several years in comics, DC has been pushing Black Adams like he was 2015 Roman Reigns. Check out their most recent event, Dark Crisis. The three main stars are Nightwing (established fan favorite) the young Superman Jon Kent (a recent project) and Black Adam of all people.
Black Adam has been a member of the Justice League in all this time.
There was a concerted effort to force Black Adam into A-List superhero territory, when he's a B-List villain and never needed to be anything more.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jan 5, 2023 14:20:43 GMT -5
The Rock out here with that small Johnson energy.
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Post by ace on Jan 5, 2023 14:43:49 GMT -5
I started watching this last night. Made it until Rock stoically kills everyone while Paint it Black, whose pacing had been butchered by editing, played over it.
Went to bed. Wasn’t even tired.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 5, 2023 16:16:01 GMT -5
Hell, I like the movie ok but the whole conflict between Adam and the JSA of: heroes don't kill/I do gets nonsensical in a world where Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman all have body counts. Hell, Aquaman left Manta's dad to drown w no compunctions. Ezra Miller is a felon so I'm sure his Flash has A trained his way through some folks. Ray's Cyborg sucks. I don't know if he's killed, but he sucks. Hell Wonder Woman has never had a problem with killing compared to traditional portrayals of Superman and Batman. It's not like she's going out of her way to murder people, but she's a warrior princess and Greek demigod. They kill.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 5, 2023 17:07:33 GMT -5
Hell, I like the movie ok but the whole conflict between Adam and the JSA of: heroes don't kill/I do gets nonsensical in a world where Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman all have body counts. Hell, Aquaman left Manta's dad to drown w no compunctions. Ezra Miller is a felon so I'm sure his Flash has A trained his way through some folks. Ray's Cyborg sucks. I don't know if he's killed, but he sucks. Hell Wonder Woman has never had a problem with killing compared to traditional portrayals of Superman and Batman. It's not like she's going out of her way to murder peole6, but she's a warrior princess and Greek demigod. They kill. It's a consequence of over-simplifying. The JSA arc that the movie is pulling from, Black Reign wasn't about Adam killing people, it was about him using his power to overthrow Kahndaq's government and installing himself as a nigh-invincible dictator. But I guess the morality would have been too complicated for Dwayne's liking.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 5, 2023 18:03:27 GMT -5
Also I just, all these months later and it still annoys me that Doctor Fate, even with a twilight years Kent under the helm, doesn’t just curb stomp Black Adam. Yes Black Adam’s living lightning is powerful magic. To someone like Doctor Fate it is just a mere child’s toy, though.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 5, 2023 20:40:50 GMT -5
Also I just, all these months later and it still annoys me that Doctor Fate, even with a twilight years Kent under the helm, doesn’t just curb stomp Black Adam. Yes Black Adam’s living lightning is powerful magic. To someone like Doctor Fate it is just a mere child’s toy, though. Yeah the comic had Nabu temporarily seal Hector Hall (The then-current Doctor Fate) so he couldn't get involved because Nabu is an old asshole like Adam and agreed with him.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 6, 2023 0:36:58 GMT -5
Adaptations seem to really like to include Doctor Fate then do nothing with him and anticlimactically kill him off for some reason.
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Post by Raskovnik on Feb 16, 2023 5:08:48 GMT -5
Can we get a damn Black Adam 2 already!?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 5, 2023 19:50:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sure the piss poor script had nothing to do with it.
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Post by The Wild Man of Borneo on Aug 5, 2023 20:16:03 GMT -5
Black Adam should have been the Shazam sequel. Seemed like they were going out of their way to avoid being one, but it would have made more sense for the Shazam Family to be there than the JSA, and that "heroes don't kill" line would've sounded better from a hero who actually doesn't than from a guy with a giant mace.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 6, 2023 7:14:43 GMT -5
Black Adam should have been the Shazam sequel. Seemed like they were going out of their way to avoid being one, but it would have made more sense for the Shazam Family to be there than the JSA, and that "heroes don't kill" line would've sounded better from a hero who actually doesn't than from a guy with a giant mace. But Black Adam was "serious" stuff, not that kiddie family friendly all ages bullcrap. How dare a movie based on comic books be silly and fun. Its like they want to attract an audience beyond 50 year old comic fans and edgelord losers. Black Adam was a perfect fit for the Snyderverse. And he had the box office to match. Edit. I should clarify that I dont think everyone who enjoyed Black Adam was a loser. I am sure if I watch it I will find some things to enjoy. But the fans that want their comic book movies dark and gritty and have no room for fun mostly fall into those categories, IMO.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 6, 2023 16:55:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sure the piss poor script had nothing to do with it. I know Kevn Hart is Rock's friend, and Rock is... well, he's Rock, but it's wild watching both of them talk about how good the box office was when I know good and well that it didn't even break even, let alone make any profit.
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