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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 8, 2019 13:08:51 GMT -5
What about windmilling dicks? WWE has never had any interest in Mike Tenay.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 8, 2019 13:13:14 GMT -5
What about windmilling dicks? WWE has never had any interest in Mike Tenay.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 8, 2019 13:32:34 GMT -5
Vince held the entire meeting while holding the Main Event booking sheet. Isn't the Main Event booking sheet just "SARAH LOGAN vs DANA BROOKE" chiseled into a stone tablet that can never be changed?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 13:53:37 GMT -5
Khashoggi was a major journalist figure on the Arab world living in America, writing for American publications and showing up on plenty of news networks as a guest. It behooves journalists to cover the murder of one of their own. Plus, he actually got murdered; there was CCTV footage, there was an initially missing person who the Saudis were changing their story about. There was a story there. It's not a good comparison point. A plane full of WWE wrestlers being stuck in Saudi Arabia doesn't have that same meat to it, the verifiable facts are difficult to prove, and Vince McMahon isn't actually famous in the ways that make f***ing anything break out into the mainstream, that's been proven time and again in these scandals. Shit, in the f***ing dead midst of the Khashoggi murder, think about how minor a blip we saw in WWE going to Saudi Arabia to host another state-funded show there. We got what? A John Oliver segment out of that? And then lots of nothing the hell else. Amid UFC and everyone else pulling out of their deals, WWE staying in should have been a way bigger story than it was if Vince is a notable enough media figure. I'm not entirely sure what point you're arguing. I was pointing out that shit that happens in Saudi gets way more coverage than Yemen or Eritrea (which is how we all know who MBS is) because of instances like Khashoggi's murder. Vince also is a very newsworthy person considering who he is and who his family has close connections with. None of that seems particularly controversial. Vince is a noteworthy person, but he's not up there in terms of someone that people will go and write stories about. He's in that weird zone of eclectic personalities like Jerry Springer, Maury Povich, or Don King; people that everyone has heard of, but news reporters and journalists aren't going to waste time and energy examining stories about as they are only regarded as "white trash". To put it in another sense, he's not going to get stories written about him unless it involves a massive scandal with the company that isn't something supermarket tabloids make up for washed-up movie stars and music singers to sell to 55+ year old women but something with actual evidence and a paper trail. And, in a twist of irony, it's being in this weird spot of infamy that may save Vince from being judged in this lifetime unless something catastrophic happens. My original point was that the news is very picky about who or what they write stories about for the sake of making money and getting viewership ratings on TV. We're not going to find out much from this from traditional reporting as they just won't care enough to bother.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 8, 2019 17:55:33 GMT -5
Curtis Axel's post still bothers me greatly.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 8, 2019 18:06:00 GMT -5
Curtis Axel's post still bothers me greatly. I mean, yeah, regardless of why the main plane was grounded, I can still understand him being greatly upset that they werenât going with as many people as possible on Vinceâs plane.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 8, 2019 18:23:09 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure what point you're arguing. I was pointing out that shit that happens in Saudi gets way more coverage than Yemen or Eritrea (which is how we all know who MBS is) because of instances like Khashoggi's murder. Vince also is a very newsworthy person considering who he is and who his family has close connections with. None of that seems particularly controversial. Vince is a noteworthy person, but he's not up there in terms of someone that people will go and write stories about. He's in that weird zone of eclectic personalities like Jerry Springer, Maury Povich, or Don King; people that everyone has heard of, but news reporters and journalists aren't going to waste time and energy examining stories about as they are only regarded as "white trash". To put it in another sense, he's not going to get stories written about him unless it involves a massive scandal with the company that isn't something supermarket tabloids make up for washed-up movie stars and music singers to sell to 55+ year old women but something with actual evidence and a paper trail. And, in a twist of irony, it's being in this weird spot of infamy that may save Vince from being judged in this lifetime unless something catastrophic happens. My original point was that the news is very picky about who or what they write stories about for the sake of making money and getting viewership ratings on TV. We're not going to find out much from this from traditional reporting as they just won't care enough to bother. WWE tried to name a match after an accused sex trafficker and if you search "WWE Fabulous Moolah battle royal", outside of Newsweek and USA Today which aren't great publications anyway, and two listings from the unpaid Forbes columnist whose stuff flies under the radar unless you're a WWE investor and isn't main page headline shit anyway, the results are all sports websites if not just outright wrestling news sources, and sports websites will always more readily run stuff about WWE than a major news outlet will. In the multiple days of the story brewing, it only got picked up by like any mainstream sources at all after Snickers had already been contacted and made WWE change it. That shit just melted away in a second, nobody outside of the sports press really cared, barely a blip and no actual pressure or condemnation that didn't come from a sponsor being directly contacted by fans.
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Post by edgestar on Nov 8, 2019 18:26:14 GMT -5
On his podcast today, Jerry Lawler talked about the talent meeting from Raw. - Vince said he had never seen so many issues with travel happen at once in all his years in the business. He also said they will not be using Atlas Air in the future. - A piece of equipment needed so that the wrestlers' plane could take off safely had to be flown in from Germany. I think we finally found our culprit: They were flown in from Berlyn, I swear!!! You're the same person. ....shit.
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Post by héad.casé on Nov 9, 2019 6:58:03 GMT -5
"Vince said, 'guys, we've all been in this business for awhile, we've all experienced some travel issues in the past, but I can honestly say that in all of the years that I've been in the business, I've never seen this many travel issues happen at one time with a plane'," Lawler said. McMahon and the talent arrived at the airport at the same time last Thursday night after Crown Jewel to leave Saudi Arabia. McMahon's jet departed first, and 175 staff and talent were on a large charter plane. The talent wouldn't end up departing until the following day. McMahon detailed the issues that caused the delay. McMahon said that the first problem was with the tug that was supposed to pull the plane away from the gate. After that, there was a problem with the manifest with weight of the plane because of the amount of people on board. The issues were apparently not being explained to the talent properly. When the manifest issue came up, the pilot said that they were being delayed and that it was just something beyond their control that they're trying to get fixed. After the issue with the amount of weight on the plane, they had to put on more fuel since it was a nonstop flight. When they finally added the additional fuel and the tanks were full, a sensor was set off indicating that there was a problem with a piece of equipment that would transfer the fuel from one engine to the other in the event that one went out. Lawler noted that it was nighttime, and there was nowhere in Saudi Arabia to get this piece of equipment so they had to fly it in from Germany, which is about a six hour flight, to put into this plane so that it could take off. Staff and talent had been sitting on the plane for six hours not knowing what's going on. Finally they were told that they were going to deplane and check into a hotel. "Can you imagine, 175 people getting off this plane and being bused to hotels in the middle of the night? After they arrived [to the hotel], here's 175 people showing up at a hotel that wasn't expecting them," Lawler said. "Everybody's trying to get checked in, it was just a nightmare. None of the WWE travel people were there to help at that point." Early that morning, everyone was put back into buses and it was still pitch dark outside. They were driven to a different airport because the plane had to be moved from the original airport so that it could be worked on. There was also an issue with the time limits that a pilot can fly, so for the final flight they had to get two different pilots than from the original flight. The talent then finally got on the plane and returned to the U.S. "Vince said to everybody, 'Guys, I've never seen anything like it, I'm sure you've never seen anything like it and hopefully we'll never experience anything like that again. We'll always have the travel people [stay with talent], they'll be the last people to leave. We'll always take care of this'. Vince and those guys got out on his jet thinking that all of the talent was going to be right behind him, so they didn't have a clue that all of this was going on," Lawler said. Vince went through everything that went wrong and addressed the conspiracy theories, saying, "nothing like that happened, there could be nothing further from the truth. He said that as a matter of fact, our relationship with the Saudi government and the Prince is at an all time high." "AJ said, 'I'll be honest with you man, we were just minutes away from somebody going off and something bad happening. All I'm thinking about is that I'm supposed to be at home playing ball with my son right now and instead I'm stuck here in Saudi Arabia and nobody can explain to me why'," Lawler said. Lawler said that everybody understands what happened now and that those issues will be fixed in the future. McMahon also said that they would no longer use the charter company, Atlas Air, who issued a public statement apologizing for the incident. www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/11/jerry-lawler-on-what-vince-mcmahon-and-aj-styles-said-at-661919/More detail on the RAW meeting from Jerry Lawler's podcast.
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Post by eJm on Nov 9, 2019 7:00:05 GMT -5
Vince went through everything that went wrong and addressed the conspiracy theories, saying, "nothing like that happened, there could be nothing further from the truth. He said that as a matter of fact, our relationship with the Saudi government and the Prince is at an all time high.". Oh, something absolutely happened.
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Post by CeilingFan on Nov 9, 2019 7:29:34 GMT -5
Can this thread make it to page 90? Stay tuned boppers, stay tuned!
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Post by Dub H on Nov 9, 2019 7:37:00 GMT -5
Didnt expect the most detail and most objective version to come from Lawler
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Post by avenger on Nov 9, 2019 8:10:05 GMT -5
From WON, more info about the meeting. "Rusev started and mostly thanked Mark Carrano of Talent Relations for his work in quickly booking hotel rooms for everyone while they were stranded." The airline didn't do this? That, while being a small detail, is massively suspicious to me. Airlines have various issues all the time that cause cancellations. They'll also have the name of every hotel for miles (I've ended up thirteen miles away when this has happened to me), and they would normally arrange (and pay for) this as part of the compensation for the delay and cancellation. No way should Mark Carrano be doing this, if it's just a mechanical issue.
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Post by KofiMania on Nov 9, 2019 8:41:19 GMT -5
From WON, more info about the meeting. "Rusev started and mostly thanked Mark Carrano of Talent Relations for his work in quickly booking hotel rooms for everyone while they were stranded." The airline didn't do this? That, while being a small detail, is massively suspicious to me. Airlines have various issues all the time that cause cancellations. They'll also have the name of every hotel for miles (I've ended up thirteen miles away when this has happened to me), and they would normally arrange (and pay for) this as part of the compensation for the delay and cancellation. No way should Mark Carrano be doing this, if it's just a mechanical issue. It was a charter airline, not United or some big time company like that.
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Post by KofiMania on Nov 9, 2019 8:44:30 GMT -5
Vince went through everything that went wrong and addressed the conspiracy theories, saying, "nothing like that happened, there could be nothing further from the truth. He said that as a matter of fact, our relationship with the Saudi government and the Prince is at an all time high.". Oh, something absolutely happened. Or everyoneâs telling the truth and the newz is incorrect.
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Post by KofiMania on Nov 9, 2019 8:47:00 GMT -5
Curtis Axel's post still bothers me greatly. I mean, yeah, regardless of why the main plane was grounded, I can still understand him being greatly upset that they werenât going with as many people as possible on Vinceâs plane. Vinceâs plane left before the talent plane was stranded. And then they had a smaller charter flight that they packed 20 guys on.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 9, 2019 8:47:56 GMT -5
I mean, yeah, regardless of why the main plane was grounded, I can still understand him being greatly upset that they werenât going with as many people as possible on Vinceâs plane. Vinceâs plane left before the talent plane was stranded. And then they had a smaller charter flight that they packed 20 guys on. My mistake, then, thatâs the one I meant.
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Post by KofiMania on Nov 9, 2019 8:50:14 GMT -5
Vinceâs plane left before the talent plane was stranded. And then they had a smaller charter flight that they packed 20 guys on. My mistake, then, thatâs the one I meant. I donât think they left seats empty on that charter. I think guys were upset at the press release the WWE issued where they made it sound like the guys on the small charter paid their own way because they wanted to be at Smackdown so bad.
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Post by mattperiolat on Nov 10, 2019 2:52:26 GMT -5
Something doesnât add up here. Assuming it is all mechanical and there were no real issues, why the tweets from talent and family acting as if they had just fled a hostage crisis? And why over a WEEK to set the record? And only after the deal with KSA had been extended?
Lots of smoke, no doubt, but there is some fire.
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Post by XIII on Nov 10, 2019 2:59:55 GMT -5
The next Saudi trio will tell the tale based on who/how many refuse to go, what happens on that trip, and how hard they lean into Saudi propaganda on the show(it would be my guess that that will be returning sooner rather than later).
Iâm still not sure what exactly went down, but if Vince is telling me that nothing happened and the relationship with Prince is stronger than ever I would just assume the opposite. Dude is a ruthless old carny and everyone knows it.
Something bad is going to happen during this deal.
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