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Post by eJm on Nov 10, 2019 5:26:16 GMT -5
Something doesn’t add up here. Assuming it is all mechanical and there were no real issues, why the tweets from talent and family acting as if they had just fled a hostage crisis? And why over a WEEK to set the record? And only after the deal with KSA had been extended? Lots of smoke, no doubt, but there is some fire. Also, and this is one of the reasons I am suspicious, the Saudis have a bunch of planes in stock. Most from a “corruption” scandal last year. You mean to tell me that a) one of those couldn’t be provided and b) none of them have the specific part needed? Like, at all? They had to shift one from Germany? Like, again, I am not saying this was some massive scandal and the Saudis kidnapped everyone or anything but...I’m still saying they told everyone to slow things down big time. Make it as difficult as possible and make them miss Smackdown.
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Post by evilone on Nov 10, 2019 5:47:44 GMT -5
So they finally laid out the timeline of issues on paper and gave it to Lawler to break it to the public. Seven days later.
There are dozens of flights to US each day from KSA and even more to Europe so either WWE agents have messed up big time for not rescheduling everyone out of the hotspot with ongoing war on it's southern territory or they just couldn't do nothing about it. Travel agents first job is to get everyone home on schedule or as close to schedule as possible, sleep over is the absolute last resort, so to say that travel agents didn't try to do anything is not plausible. Other option is that Atlas charter is the cheapest charter out there trying to save money by gambling with human lives and if that's the case that's on McMahon and no one else. I had one big emergency on plane and cabin crew as well as the pilot told us right away what was the issue and what else could potentially be compromised because of it. Being grounded and delayed will most likely prompt the pilot to tell what's going on over intercom so there would be no confusion or panic and everyone would probably be tweeting what Lawler has said seven days later. Cause that's how it goes but I guess anything can go with Atlas and KSA combo.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Nov 10, 2019 6:20:15 GMT -5
Didnt expect the most detail and most objective version to come from Lawler And he didn't mention camels or towels once!
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Post by bearned on Nov 10, 2019 6:37:48 GMT -5
Something doesn’t add up here. Assuming it is all mechanical and there were no real issues, why the tweets from talent and family acting as if they had just fled a hostage crisis? And why over a WEEK to set the record? And only after the deal with KSA had been extended? Lots of smoke, no doubt, but there is some fire. Yeah I’m pretty sure the ground crew over there were told by someone high in the government/royal family to make life as difficult as possible for them and that’s what happened. You would have thought the Saudi government would be going above and beyond to help them get out of the country, given how much money they stumped up to get them there. The fact they seem to have left them high and dry suggests something has gone down.
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 10, 2019 7:31:51 GMT -5
I think our speculation about what happened may be the closest we're likely ever going to get to the truth until some of these guys are released and talk about it. While some may suggest that doing so will make it difficult for them to find work away from WWE, I disagree: this is not a deal most promotions would be in a position, let alone willing to negotiate with any questionable government.
If I were WWE in the position they're in now, I'd be upping the talent budget about tenfold to lock down any talent who a) are inclined to leave after this fiasco and b) are inclined to talk publicly if they don't get _everything_ they demand. If I were any prospective talent, I'd be looking closely at my contract for any NDA language and/or requirement to travel to KSA, and noping tf out of there if it contains both.
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Post by evilone on Nov 10, 2019 8:18:15 GMT -5
I think our speculation about what happened may be the closest we're likely ever going to get to the truth until some of these guys are released and talk about it. While some may suggest that doing so will make it difficult for them to find work away from WWE, I disagree: this is not a deal most promotions would be in a position, let alone willing to negotiate with any questionable government. If I were WWE in the position they're in now, I'd be upping the talent budget about tenfold to lock down any talent who a) are inclined to leave after this fiasco and b) are inclined to talk publicly if they don't get _everything_ they demand. If I were any prospective talent, I'd be looking closely at my contract for any NDA language and/or requirement to travel to KSA, and noping tf out of there if it contains both. This will most likely never happen as I expect Vince to "patch" things up with every affected individual and in return he probably got them to sign some form of NDA.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 10, 2019 10:35:32 GMT -5
To me it can just be different people can have different reactions to the same events. I understand why some wrestlers felt like hostages and while others believed it was just bad luck.
I don't believe the employees who thought it was bad luck are all ass-kissers nor do I think the people upset are some whiny little children.
Shit happens and hopefully, it does not happen again.
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Post by héad.casé on Nov 10, 2019 11:20:40 GMT -5
I love that Jerry Lawler - a guy who doesn't attend any of the meetings before the show, actually attended this one because he was as interested to find out what happened as the rest of us.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 10, 2019 13:46:47 GMT -5
It could have been a lot worse. Enzo Amore could still have been in WWE and have been on that plane. Imagine spending 6 hours on a delayed flight with him.
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Post by CeilingFan on Nov 10, 2019 13:53:59 GMT -5
It could have been a lot worse. Enzo Amore could still have been in WWE and have been on that plane. Imagine spending 6 hours on a delayed flight with him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 14:23:29 GMT -5
It's pretty clear WWE's new strategy is "Circle the wagons" and make sure everyone defends the caravan from criticism. If we yell loud enough and weirdly contradictory to one another enough, they will have to believe nothing has gone wrong, nothing is wrong, and we've never done anything wrong.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 10, 2019 17:11:37 GMT -5
"Our relationship with the murderer has never been better!"
- Vince McMahon
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Nov 10, 2019 19:34:38 GMT -5
Oh, something absolutely happened. Or everyone’s telling the truth and the newz is incorrect. People who strongly dislike, if not outright hate KSA (like me), will never believe the original story. It's all said and done though.
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Post by thetower52 on Nov 10, 2019 19:44:30 GMT -5
Or everyone’s telling the truth and the newz is incorrect. People who strongly dislike, if not outright hate KSA (like me), will never believe the original story. It's all said and done though. Don’t speak for everyone. Too me it seems like people got freaked out over plane issues because they where in Saudi Arabia but I don’t think they did anything to the plan
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Post by JCBaggee on Nov 10, 2019 19:58:21 GMT -5
Can this thread make it to page 90? Stay tuned boppers, stay tuned! A part needed to get this thread up to page 90 is being flown in directly from another forum.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 10, 2019 20:14:19 GMT -5
Due to unforeseen mechanical issues this thread will not make it to 90 pages right now...
edit: the mechanical issue has been fixed.
*walks away counting a stack of money*
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Post by sabretooth on Nov 10, 2019 21:35:16 GMT -5
Recently, Evan "Air" Bourne was injured in-ring.
Coincidence?
Most undoubtedly.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 10, 2019 22:24:06 GMT -5
The thing that stands out about this story, and the official company narrative surrounding it, is that typically when these things are "cleared up" (so to speak) we usually get a quick follow up from various inside and outside sources repeating the same explanation. Except, in this case we've only had a couple of people supporting the plane malfunction story, and even then it's more of a "what I saw" explanation rather than any official sources corroborating it. Also the fact they've doubled down on the "everything fine between us an Saudi Arabia" deal, seems to point to the fact there were definitely problems between the parties recently. WWE typically goes hard on a the aggressive when they get called out on their bad faith actions.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Nov 11, 2019 10:09:08 GMT -5
The thing that stands out about this story, and the official company narrative surrounding it, is that typically when these things are "cleared up" (so to speak) we usually get a quick follow up from various inside and outside sources repeating the same explanation. Except, in this case we've only had a couple of people supporting the plane malfunction story, and even then it's more of a "what I saw" explanation rather than any official sources corroborating it. Also the fact they've doubled down on the "everything fine between us an Saudi Arabia" deal, seems to point to the fact there were definitely problems between the parties recently. WWE typically goes hard on a the aggressive when they get called out on their bad faith actions. Thing is, I don't really understand what the alternate story is to the WWE/Vince/AJ/Graves/Charter company version of events. There's nobody coming out to contradict any of it. That's why I don't get what people are expecting to come out in the future, unless someone high up in the WWE or the Saudi government decides to do a shoot interview. What else could any of the wrestlers feasibly know?
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Post by salz4life on Nov 11, 2019 10:15:50 GMT -5
Just doing my job to continue the effort to Page 90.........
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