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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 11, 2019 11:14:06 GMT -5
Just doing my job to continue the effort to Page 90.........
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Nov 11, 2019 11:33:55 GMT -5
The thing that stands out about this story, and the official company narrative surrounding it, is that typically when these things are "cleared up" (so to speak) we usually get a quick follow up from various inside and outside sources repeating the same explanation. Except, in this case we've only had a couple of people supporting the plane malfunction story, and even then it's more of a "what I saw" explanation rather than any official sources corroborating it. Also the fact they've doubled down on the "everything fine between us an Saudi Arabia" deal, seems to point to the fact there were definitely problems between the parties recently. WWE typically goes hard on a the aggressive when they get called out on their bad faith actions. Thing is, I don't really understand what the alternate story is to the WWE/Vince/AJ/Graves/Charter company version of events. There's nobody coming out to contradict any of it. That's why I don't get what people are expecting to come out in the future, unless someone high up in the WWE or the Saudi government decides to do a shoot interview. What else could any of the wrestlers feasibly know? I agree. "Over 175" WWE employees were there and all anyone has as evidence of something sinister is their own worst case scenario interpretations of a few tweets. Maybe somebody will come out with a shocking REAL UNTOLD STORY! soon but I doubt it.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Nov 11, 2019 11:57:09 GMT -5
To me it can just be different people can have different reactions to the same events. I understand why some wrestlers felt like hostages and while others believed it was just bad luck. I don't believe the employees who thought it was bad luck are all ass-kissers nor do I think the people upset are some whiny little children.Shit happens and hopefully, it does not happen again. The good news is, at least we know you're not Corey Graves
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Post by ayumidah on Nov 11, 2019 12:53:21 GMT -5
Here was Rusev's comment, which, well... hmm.. In an interview with thesun.co.uk, Rusev commented on the Saudi Arabia trip for Crown Jewel and if he'll travel again to the country: "The frustration just grew by each hour and me asking for prayers is nothing new," he said. "My father is a pastor, (...) so I always ask for prayers just because I wanted to go home, not because we were held hostage. I don't think anyone in their rightful mind is going to hold 170 people, American citizens, hostage, I don't think that'll reflect well anywhere." "I make a lot of money, I will definitely go back. I love it, I love every single trip that we do there, I love how we break barriers with women wrestling there and Lana being able to go. I think it's a great victory for the company, not just for that, but to open new doors and new opportunities to develop further, it's just amazing. It's a great opportunity for us to be ambassadors for entertainers." www.thesun.co.uk/sport/10320159/wwe-rusev-denies-hostage-saudi-arabia-crown-jewel-women-wrestling/
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Post by eJm on Nov 11, 2019 13:10:11 GMT -5
So if that’s the case, why didn’t Rusev or anyone just say that they were fine? Credit or wi-fi or whatever, you can’t put something like that out there and not follow that up somehow.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 11, 2019 13:29:01 GMT -5
So if that’s the case, why didn’t Rusev or anyone just say that they were fine? Credit or wi-fi or whatever, you can’t put something like that out there and not follow that up somehow. It could just be that dudes were just unhappy about flight delays, which is a whole genre of tweeting, and maybe that frustration was magnified because it’s Saudi Arabia—a derided show, but more to the point a very long flight home. I do believe something happened between the Saudis and Vince. I don’t think the tweets of the roster can really be illuminating one way or another. There’s just too much to take into consideration. And for what it’s worth, Mojo did post an story at the time, while in Saudi, explaining that he was perfectly fine but eager to get home.
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Post by eJm on Nov 11, 2019 13:31:07 GMT -5
So if that’s the case, why didn’t Rusev or anyone just say that they were fine? Credit or wi-fi or whatever, you can’t put something like that out there and not follow that up somehow. It could just be that dudes were just unhappy about flight delays, which is a whole genre of tweeting, and maybe that frustration was magnified because it’s Saudi Arabia—a derided show, but more to the point a very long flight home. I do believe something happened between the Saudis and Vince. I don’t think the tweets of the roster can really be illuminating one way or another. There’s just too much to take into consideration. And for what it’s worth, Mojo did post an story at the time, while in Saudi, explaining that he was perfectly fine but eager to get home. I do get that but most people seeing it probably don’t even know about the prayer stuff and if someone were to say that in general, it’s usually relating to something going on that isn’t good. It’s how I’m sure most of us have seen it being used. I’m not blaming anyone as much as saying it didn’t exactly help dampen the flames as much as kindle them.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 11, 2019 13:42:14 GMT -5
It could just be that dudes were just unhappy about flight delays, which is a whole genre of tweeting, and maybe that frustration was magnified because it’s Saudi Arabia—a derided show, but more to the point a very long flight home. I do believe something happened between the Saudis and Vince. I don’t think the tweets of the roster can really be illuminating one way or another. There’s just too much to take into consideration. And for what it’s worth, Mojo did post an story at the time, while in Saudi, explaining that he was perfectly fine but eager to get home. I do get that but most people seeing it probably don’t even know about the prayer stuff and if someone were to say that in general, it’s usually relating to something going on that isn’t good. It’s how I’m sure most of us have seen it being used. I’m not blaming anyone as much as saying it didn’t exactly help dampen the flames as much as kindle them. I think there are many ways to explain away Rusev’s ‘pray for me’ remarks that don’t involve him covering up for WWE. 1) He was in a situation where paranoia feeds paranoia and may have genuinely felt in danger at the time, but now realizes that he was overreacting. 2) Like he says, he uses that vernacular all the time. (I do as well. It’s pretty common way of saying ‘send good vibes’ in the Arab world, which has the religious ties Rusev is describing.) 3) Flight delays suck. He never felt in danger. Any of those. Some of those in combination. Pretty much where I’m at is that the Saudis and Vince had an issue and there’s a convincing case that the Saudis altered the plans for Smackdown to prove a point.
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Post by eJm on Nov 11, 2019 13:44:10 GMT -5
I do get that but most people seeing it probably don’t even know about the prayer stuff and if someone were to say that in general, it’s usually relating to something going on that isn’t good. It’s how I’m sure most of us have seen it being used. I’m not blaming anyone as much as saying it didn’t exactly help dampen the flames as much as kindle them. I think there are many ways to explain away Rusev’s ‘pray for me’ remarks that don’t involve him covering up for WWE. 1) He was in a situation where paranoia feeds paranoia and may have genuinely felt in danger at the time, but now realizes that he was overreacting. 2) Like he says, he uses that vernacular all the time. (I do as well. It’s pretty common way of saying ‘send good vibes’ in the Arab world.) 3) Flight delays suck. He never felt in danger. Any of those. Some of those in combination. Pretty much where I’m at is that the Saudis and Vince had an issue and there’s a convincing case that the Saudis altered the plans for Smackdown to prove a point. I’m not even saying it relates to WWE, it just relates to what words and phrases mean. Most people don’t use that phrasing to mean send good vibes but to help in a bad situation. Like, people were worried and saying “Prayers” would mean, to me anyway, that someone is hurt or sick or, at worst, in danger. Which, justifiably, would have people worried.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 11, 2019 13:48:38 GMT -5
I think there are many ways to explain away Rusev’s ‘pray for me’ remarks that don’t involve him covering up for WWE. 1) He was in a situation where paranoia feeds paranoia and may have genuinely felt in danger at the time, but now realizes that he was overreacting. 2) Like he says, he uses that vernacular all the time. (I do as well. It’s pretty common way of saying ‘send good vibes’ in the Arab world.) 3) Flight delays suck. He never felt in danger. Any of those. Some of those in combination. Pretty much where I’m at is that the Saudis and Vince had an issue and there’s a convincing case that the Saudis altered the plans for Smackdown to prove a point. I’m not even saying it relates to WWE, it just relates to what words and phrases mean. Most people don’t use that phrasing to mean send good vibes but to help in a bad situation. Like, people were worried and saying “Prayers” would mean, to me anyway, that someone is hurt or sick or, at worst, in danger. Which, justifiably, would have people worried. I don’t know. It may be a cultural thing. I say ‘send prayers’ when I’m about to start a difficult task. It’s just like saying ‘wish me luck,’ but with more religious verbiage. If what Rusev is saying about his upbringing is right, it tracks that he might speak in the same way. He might have just been himself, in a frustrating situation, and not considering his wider Twitter audience who don’t speak that way.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Nov 11, 2019 14:10:35 GMT -5
I bet the one lesson that won't be learned by the WWE is not to book 2 shows halfway across the world that you have 24 hours to get to.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Nov 11, 2019 14:18:03 GMT -5
"...I will definitely go back. I love it, I love every single trip that we do there, I love how we break barriers with women wrestling there and Lana being able to go. I think it's a great victory for the company, not just for that, but to open new doors and new opportunities to develop further, it's just amazing. It's a great opportunity for us to be ambassadors for entertainers."
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Nov 11, 2019 14:21:02 GMT -5
It was bound to happen. Via Being the Elite.
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Post by CeilingFan on Nov 11, 2019 15:16:29 GMT -5
90 pages! We made it!
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Post by edgestar on Nov 11, 2019 15:33:47 GMT -5
Recently, Evan "Air" Bourne was injured in-ring. Coincidence? Most undoubtedly. Leetle Evan Barn?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 11, 2019 15:33:49 GMT -5
Here was Rusev's comment, which, well... hmm.. In an interview with thesun.co.uk, Rusev commented on the Saudi Arabia trip for Crown Jewel and if he'll travel again to the country: "The frustration just grew by each hour and me asking for prayers is nothing new," he said. "My father is a pastor, (...) so I always ask for prayers just because I wanted to go home, not because we were held hostage. I don't think anyone in their rightful mind is going to hold 170 people, American citizens, hostage, I don't think that'll reflect well anywhere." "I make a lot of money, I will definitely go back. I love it, I love every single trip that we do there, I love how we break barriers with women wrestling there and Lana being able to go. I think it's a great victory for the company, not just for that, but to open new doors and new opportunities to develop further, it's just amazing. It's a great opportunity for us to be ambassadors for entertainers." www.thesun.co.uk/sport/10320159/wwe-rusev-denies-hostage-saudi-arabia-crown-jewel-women-wrestling/They actually believe this breaking barriers bullshit. Guess what guys, in between your first and second Saudi shows, an American journalist was tricked, captured, and chopped up into little pieces. You aren't breaking barriers, you are well paid propaganda.
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Post by XIII on Nov 11, 2019 15:43:12 GMT -5
Here was Rusev's comment, which, well... hmm.. In an interview with thesun.co.uk, Rusev commented on the Saudi Arabia trip for Crown Jewel and if he'll travel again to the country: "The frustration just grew by each hour and me asking for prayers is nothing new," he said. "My father is a pastor, (...) so I always ask for prayers just because I wanted to go home, not because we were held hostage. I don't think anyone in their rightful mind is going to hold 170 people, American citizens, hostage, I don't think that'll reflect well anywhere." "I make a lot of money, I will definitely go back. I love it, I love every single trip that we do there, I love how we break barriers with women wrestling there and Lana being able to go. I think it's a great victory for the company, not just for that, but to open new doors and new opportunities to develop further, it's just amazing. It's a great opportunity for us to be ambassadors for entertainers." www.thesun.co.uk/sport/10320159/wwe-rusev-denies-hostage-saudi-arabia-crown-jewel-women-wrestling/They actually believe this breaking barriers bullshit. Guess what guys, in between your first and second Saudi shows, an American journalist was tricked, captured, and chopped up into little pieces. You aren't breaking barriers, you are well paid propaganda. I doubt that any of them really believe that breaking barriers nonsense. They’re just rationalizing and justifying their acceptance of blood money for propaganda from a regime that murdered an American citizen in a diplomatic embassy in order to not rock the boat in the WWE and for their own financial security with these big paydays.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 11, 2019 16:11:46 GMT -5
They actually believe this breaking barriers bullshit. Guess what guys, in between your first and second Saudi shows, an American journalist was tricked, captured, and chopped up into little pieces. You aren't breaking barriers, you are well paid propaganda. I doubt that any of them really believe that breaking barriers nonsense. They’re just rationalizing and justifying their acceptance of blood money for propaganda from a regime that murdered an American citizen in a diplomatic embassy in order to not rock the boat in the WWE and for their own financial security with these big paydays. Whatever help then sleep at night I guess Only Ali has any amount of moral ground when it comes to saudi
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 11, 2019 16:21:10 GMT -5
Oh dear.
Yeah, the Saudis would never do anything to jeopardise American lives.
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Post by ayumidah on Nov 11, 2019 16:39:39 GMT -5
I doubt that any of them really believe that breaking barriers nonsense. They’re just rationalizing and justifying their acceptance of blood money for propaganda from a regime that murdered an American citizen in a diplomatic embassy in order to not rock the boat in the WWE and for their own financial security with these big paydays. Whatever help then sleep at night I guess Only Ali has any amount of moral ground when it comes to saudi I get Ali's rationale and it's better than most, I guess, but don't forget Sami, Kevin, Daniel, and whoever else who decide not to go and stick with it, no matter what.
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