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Post by petef3 on Dec 27, 2019 18:59:03 GMT -5
Good thing I didn't claim it was the end of the world, then.
Edit: I actually think the Dark Order stuff, to pick up on one thing garnering widespread criticism elsewhere, is an almost-complete non-story. It was an underwhelming segment (to be kind), the kind of which we've seen numerous times before and will again across all wrestling companies. I couldn't really care less about some dude throwing bad punches if they're not, say, building a promotion around him specifically.
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Post by The Trashman on Dec 27, 2019 19:26:21 GMT -5
Shoe seems to fit in both cases. I'm hard on AEW precisely because I'm rooting for it and because I won't support WWE. Bullshit. You've been finding ways to hate on AEW for the most minor of things since like, day 1. It seems also like some people are going out of their way to defend AEW even when they screw up.
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Post by Shark on Dec 27, 2019 20:49:40 GMT -5
Guys, it's not that big of a deal; AEW are a promotion in their early days, why in the hell are we expecting them to be perfect right out of the gate?? Also, what is Statlander meant to do? Just not appear at a show that she was booked for? What if she cancelled that booking to go to AEW? People'd probably complain about that too, wouldn't they? While I can kind of understand this line of thinking, just waving things off as AEW just "being in their early days" can also give them too much leeway. They've been around a year now and this is a bad oversight. Things like TV production, I can give them a pass on because that kind of thing does take a while to really learn. Not booking talents the same day or giving the company a heads up about prior commitments is very simple to understand. Are people making too big a deal about this? Yeah, but fans also should be on them about it so they learn from it and avoid things like this in the future. If they get it in their heads that they can get away with things because fans will just shrug their shoulders, that's not good either. It's a delicate balance.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 27, 2019 21:02:48 GMT -5
Guys, don't snipe at each other. Like Cody said, there's such a thing as being overprotective. Even if you don't agree with criticism, people have a right to levy it.
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Post by eJm on Dec 27, 2019 21:22:02 GMT -5
Guys, don't snipe at each other. Like Cody said, there's such a thing as being overprotective. Even if you don't agree with criticism, people have a right to levy it. Yeah, point taken. My point was less about levying criticism but more people who use it as a way to go “SEE?! I KNEW THEY WERE JUST LIKE TNA BACK IN THE DAY!” which has become some kind of odd staple.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 27, 2019 22:16:00 GMT -5
I feel like AEW is just more relaxed about it.Which can be bad for the company but refreshing and relaxing for employees. Yeh she screwed up by not telling but mistakes happen as long it is not a common thing for her, they can just give her a warning and keep going ahead.And hopefully they try to keep track of all their wrestlers booking but keep in mind they are very often taking outside booking, a few might slip the cracks.I feel like people are making a mound out of an ant hill.
Anyway, to actually contribute,I feel like the title needs to be changed
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 27, 2019 23:55:33 GMT -5
Bullshit. You've been finding ways to hate on AEW for the most minor of things since like, day 1. It seems also like some people are going out of their way to defend AEW even when they screw up. I know I ain't defending how bad the wires got crossed here which you can see in the thread itself, but I do think it being called "Bush League" and "Carny Bullshit" when they're trying to help a smaller company out and give the fans another really interesting title match in its stead for a week, isn't really the worst result ever. Carny bullshit imo would be not having any backup plan, and they covered it all quite well and in contrast to how WWE's come off with the Indies lately, AEW looks way better from a PR standpoint if foolish for not knowing about the double booking sooner No one should be blindly defending AEW but I also think overly critiquing every false step a three month company makes is also ridiculous, it's the extremes of wrestling really, it happens for almost every promotion.
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Post by petef3 on Dec 28, 2019 0:21:55 GMT -5
Just for the record, I stand by my "bush league" statement but the "carny bullshit" line was referring to rather childishly pointing to the "card subject to change" clause, which AEW isn't actually doing. I was just using it to refer to a hypothetical.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 28, 2019 0:30:18 GMT -5
I agree it seems kind of bush league. Not to have to make a change to an advertised match but for 1- not realizing she was already booked (or her not giving them her bookings); and 2- for not giving a kayfabe reason but actually announcing she has “prior commitments”, with that commitment being a bar wrestling show.
They also went from Nyla being suspended for her actions to reinstating and giving her a title match.
Not the end of the world but not a good look.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Dec 28, 2019 1:49:47 GMT -5
Disappointed in the apparent lack of communication between the parties involved. She really should have let them know about this in advance and/or they shouldn’t have scheduled the match for that date if they did know.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 28, 2019 2:05:35 GMT -5
I agree it seems kind of bush league. Not to have to make a change to an advertised match but for 1- not realizing she was already booked (or her not giving them her bookings); and 2- for not giving a kayfabe reason but actually announcing she has “prior commitments”, with that commitment being a bar wrestling show. They also went from Nyla being suspended for her actions to reinstating and giving her a title match. Not the end of the world but not a good look. Nyla's suspension was only until the end of 2019, anyway, and no one else really has a W/L that'd justify it outside of I guess Kong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 3:32:51 GMT -5
Could have sworn reports have been that AEW -did- know and thought she was cleared to be used on the date, but then she told them she wanted to honor it instead and they decided to let her (they don't have to). Seems pretty cut and dry.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 28, 2019 6:10:33 GMT -5
AEW has been running pretty smoothly as a company so far. But since this small flub happened .....they are super bush league/second coming of Dixie, guyz!
Bush league would be if this was a regular occurence. I'm pretty sure after a few months people will forget this even happened. This is such a minor thing. But I guess some like making mountains out of mole hills.
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 28, 2019 7:20:59 GMT -5
Remember a few months ago when STARDOM booked Toni Storm vs. Bea Priestley for Korakuen Hall, and WWE made them change it because it was a WWE talent against an AEW talent? It's not quite the same situation, but it's definitely differing attitudes between the companies. WWE would have definitely pulled a talent from an indie show if they're needed for TV (case in point, Toni Storm again, who was pulled off a PROGRESS show because they wanted her for Survivor Series).
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Post by eJm on Dec 28, 2019 7:27:18 GMT -5
Remember a few months ago when STARDOM booked Toni Storm vs. Bea Priestley for Korakuen Hall, and WWE made them change it because it was a WWE talent against an AEW talent? It's not quite the same situation, but it's definitely differing attitudes between the companies. WWE would have definitely pulled a talent from an indie show if they're needed for TV (case in point, Toni Storm again, who was pulled off a PROGRESS show because they wanted her for Survivor Series). Toni Storm was pulled from an OTT show because she was going to be in the next week’s NXT UK tapings.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Dec 28, 2019 8:17:51 GMT -5
Could have sworn reports have been that AEW -did- know and thought she was cleared to be used on the date, but then she told them she wanted to honor it instead and they decided to let her (they don't have to). Seems pretty cut and dry. This is on her if that’s the case. It was her job to let them know that she wasn’t going to be available on 1/1. Why wait until they already booked it to let them know?
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 28, 2019 8:57:58 GMT -5
Yeah, it sucks for the Jacksonville fans who wants to see the original match, but it's a promotion that allows talent to work indies and a young wrestler's wires got crossed on scheduling, shit happens.
I do agree that the fact that every single little thing that happens surrounding AEW getting put under a microscope is pretty exhausting already. It's like there can't be any mix ups, any segments that don't click immediately, etc. or else knives are out, and on the other end there's the "overprotective" types Cody's mentioned who spam wrestlers' Twitter accounts about joining the promotion. Meantime the general feeling after most Dynamite episodes has been "that was fun!", yet it can't just be left at that for a lot of people.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 28, 2019 10:27:50 GMT -5
Yeah, it sucks for the Jacksonville fans who wants to see the original match, but it's a promotion that allows talent to work indies and a young wrestler's wires got crossed on scheduling, shit happens. I do agree that the fact that every single little thing that happens surrounding AEW getting put under a microscope is pretty exhausting already. It's like there can't be any mix ups, any segments that don't click immediately, etc. or else knives are out, and on the other end there's the "overprotective" types Cody's mentioned who spam wrestlers' Twitter accounts about joining the promotion. Meantime the general feeling after most Dynamite episodes has been "that was fun!", yet it can't just be left at that for a lot of people. Again, isn’t the point of the forum to discuss and critique the product and everything surrounding it? That’s what happens in the WWE forum too, it’s not an AEW exclusive. A discussion of just “that was fun” wouldn’t be very engaging.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Dec 28, 2019 11:08:04 GMT -5
Yeah, it sucks for the Jacksonville fans who wants to see the original match, but it's a promotion that allows talent to work indies and a young wrestler's wires got crossed on scheduling, shit happens. I do agree that the fact that every single little thing that happens surrounding AEW getting put under a microscope is pretty exhausting already. It's like there can't be any mix ups, any segments that don't click immediately, etc. or else knives are out, and on the other end there's the "overprotective" types Cody's mentioned who spam wrestlers' Twitter accounts about joining the promotion. Meantime the general feeling after most Dynamite episodes has been "that was fun!", yet it can't just be left at that for a lot of people. Again, isn’t the point of the forum to discuss and critique the product and everything surrounding it? That’s what happens in the WWE forum too, it’s not an AEW exclusive. A discussion of just “that was fun” wouldn’t be very engaging. Wrestling fans do nothing but critique the product, you can criticise about something, but we never hear about the good stuff, or the things that they liked, all we seem to hear is people complaining instead of looking for the positives and it's getting exhausting.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 28, 2019 11:38:58 GMT -5
Yeah, it sucks for the Jacksonville fans who wants to see the original match, but it's a promotion that allows talent to work indies and a young wrestler's wires got crossed on scheduling, shit happens. I do agree that the fact that every single little thing that happens surrounding AEW getting put under a microscope is pretty exhausting already. It's like there can't be any mix ups, any segments that don't click immediately, etc. or else knives are out, and on the other end there's the "overprotective" types Cody's mentioned who spam wrestlers' Twitter accounts about joining the promotion. Meantime the general feeling after most Dynamite episodes has been "that was fun!", yet it can't just be left at that for a lot of people. Yeah, that's what I think happened. Kris' wires got crossed and AEW booked the match without knowing about her scheduled match with Bar Wrestling. I think it was an honest mistake on Kris' part, and AEW's management OKed her to honor the prior commitment instead of making her pull out. It's a "shit happens" moment, but nothing more than that.
I think criticism of AEW is fine when it's fair, but the only way they're at fault here is if they knew about the prior commitment beforehand and made the match anyway without having the intent of pulling Kris out of the show. It just seems like certain people take any excuse to trash on them even when it's not warranted.
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